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Post by William the Bloody on Feb 9, 2005 18:02:46 GMT -5
Yep, you've found it! The place to discuss this fine episode! |
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 9, 2005 21:16:14 GMT -5
So gee - where is you all everybody?
Here are my impressions. There’s not much here, but the ep didn’t excite me much:
Claire is still preggers and suffering from amnesia, it seems. Good God. If she doesn’t have that baby soon, she’s gonna explode!
OK. Locke – he looks quite a lot like my bald, blue-eyed ex, plus he said “fell swoop,” which my ex used to say all the time, only he’d say “swell foop” at least half the time, and not even know he had done it. That was something I liked about him, actually, his frequent and unconscious spoonerisms.
WHY, WHY, WHY are we getting more Charlie backstory when we haven’t seen any Hurley backstory yet?
Am I imagining this, or is this the most boring ep we’ve ever had?
I like the doggie. I like Sayid. Oh – Scott & Steve are down to just Steve. Very sad. Harley as the Island chaplain of sorts. I like it.
Why wouldn’t they give a gun to Kate? There ya go.
My brain is in a bit of a stupor; the ep isn’t engaging me; it’s hard to think of anything to write.
Charley is a killer, now? I don’t really like the motivation being provided for such a drastic act. For such a drastic change. It wasn’t even “heat of the moment.” I wanted Charley to be more sweet and innocent. But I will adjust.
Are we not going to get Hurley backstory?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 21:32:12 GMT -5
So gee - where is you all everybody? Here are my impressions. There’s not much here, but the ep didn’t excite me much: Claire is still preggers and suffering from amnesia, it seems. Good God. If she doesn’t have that baby soon, she’s gonna explode! I'm wondering what Ethan and his wacky gang did to the baby that Claire doesn't remember. I'd say they made it a mutant, but we all know it was gonna be one anyway. Must have Hurley backstory now!! **pouts** I gotta admit, it's making me really really curious. Because why delay it? Is it too . . . . revealing? Maybe Hurley is actually the puppetmaster of all the island mysteries! ;D It was a nice touch to have it be Steve Scott be the one killed. And I liked Hurley's "sorry I kept calling you Steve". Plus, he knew stuff about the guy, so it showed he's someone that's actually been listening to people. I had this vibe, when they asked Charley if he'd ever fired a gun, and he was all silent and eye-flinchy that the answer was yes. They all assumed it meant no, but . . . . Just like they're all assuming Locke is a big gun expert and I'm wondering if he really is. And clever Kate got to come along while still hiding her own gun knowledge. Hurley!! **pouts some more** Lola |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 21:36:41 GMT -5
Charley has real "take care of" issues. Brother didn't take care of him. He wanted to take care of rich copy machine company girl. He wants to take care of Claire.
I was wondering if part of his need to kill Ethan had to do with, I don't know, the fact that the guy hung him from the neck to die? But Charlie isn't dealing with that.
I guess I can understand the urge, but it really was a smarter plan to keep Ethan alive and see what you could learn from him. It's too pat to say "he wouldn't have talked". There's all sorts of accidental and even small stuff they could have tricked out of him or that could just slip out over time. Although, it would be really hard to keep a really strong murderer who knows the island well as a prisoner.
But the shooting thing was just not good. And I'm not sure if he really ever will get Claire's total trust back again.
Lola
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 9, 2005 22:02:08 GMT -5
So gee - where is you all everybody? Here are my impressions. There’s not much here, but the ep didn’t excite me much: Claire is still preggers and suffering from amnesia, it seems. Good God. If she doesn’t have that baby soon, she’s gonna explode! OK. Locke – he looks quite a lot like my bald, blue-eyed ex, plus he said “fell swoop,” which my ex used to say all the time, only he’d say “swell foop” at least half the time, and not even know he had done it. That was something I liked about him, actually, his frequent and unconscious spoonerisms. WHY, WHY, WHY are we getting more Charlie backstory when we haven’t seen any Hurley backstory yet? Am I imagining this, or is this the most boring ep we’ve ever had? I like the doggie. I like Sayid. Oh – Scott & Steve are down to just Steve. Very sad. Harley as the Island chaplain of sorts. I like it. Why wouldn’t they give a gun to Kate? There ya go. My brain is in a bit of a stupor; the ep isn’t engaging me; it’s hard to think of anything to write. Charley is a killer, now? I don’t really like the motivation being provided for such a drastic act. For such a drastic change. It wasn’t even “heat of the moment.” I wanted Charley to be more sweet and innocent. But I will adjust. Are we not going to get Hurley backstory? ditto ditto and ditto..and once I woke up from a dream in college and blurted out 'all in one swell foop' and my roommates teased me about it for years. which has nothing to do with Lost but yes, this was maybe the least good episode- I'm very irritated that Ethan is dead - I think using Charlie to kill him, for the reason he did, was a weak plot device. Oh well. But maybe this is just me. This hasn't been one of my peppiest days. Alias isn't holding my interest either tonight. |
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Post by raenstorm on Feb 9, 2005 22:19:43 GMT -5
ditto ditto and ditto..and once I woke up from a dream in college and blurted out 'all in one swell foop' and my roommates teased me about it for years. which has nothing to do with Lost but yes, this was maybe the least good episode- I'm very irritated that Ethan is dead - I think using Charlie to kill him, for the reason he did, was a weak plot device. Oh well. But maybe this is just me. This hasn't been one of my peppiest days. Alias isn't holding my interest either tonight. Hmmm, I liked the episode and, while I didn't want Ethan dead, I felt like it was the 'real' version of what would have happened. I mean - hell, if a guy hung me from a tree and then threatened me in the woods, I'd want to kill him too. Plus, I feel like it has potential to have very bad consequences for them all. Jin is right. What is happening is because of what a few have done.... Charlie just killed someone who is obviously important to the island. If it was the mysterious "Alex", then we got one French woman who is going to be seriously PO-ed. If it wasn't, he was still connected to the island and possibly to others on the island. I don't think either the island or the others will take kindly to his death? Hmmm, perhaps it will amount to nothing more than just delaying getting more information about the island but I suspect there's more to it than that. |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2005 22:35:40 GMT -5
Hmmm, I liked the episode and, while I didn't want Ethan dead, I felt like it was the 'real' version of what would have happened. I mean - hell, if a guy hung me from a tree and then threatened me in the woods, I'd want to kill him too. Plus, I feel like it has potential to have very bad consequences for them all. Jin is right. What is happening is because of what a few have done.... Charlie just killed someone who is obviously important to the island. If it was the mysterious "Alex", then we got one French woman who is going to be seriously PO-ed. If it wasn't, he was still connected to the island and possibly to others on the island. I don't think either the island or the others will take kindly to his death? Hmmm, perhaps it will amount to nothing more than just delaying getting more information about the island but I suspect there's more to it than that. I'm glad you mentioned Jin's line. Because I think he's kinda right too. And it has to be important or they wouldn't have traslated it for us. |
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Post by Rob on Feb 10, 2005 0:11:46 GMT -5
Random, random...
So Jack got to win the fight this time. Good for his ego, I suppose...though I liked it better when he lost. Not every protagonist has to be a tough guy. Plus...Jack? I think the first five unanswered punches were enough.
Boone is such a wuss. Honestly, dude...you have a job to do. Interesting, though, how Locke said "We're counting on you." Who exactly did he mean by "we?" Clearly Sayid didn't share the same enthusiasm (with very good reason).
What exactly is Kate's problem with people (more precisely, Jack) knowing she's good with a gun? What purpose could she have for hiding that? They're stranded on an island, and in all probability no one is going anywhere. The island has no jail, right? Frankly, her stubbornly secretive and manipulative nature is beginning to annoy me.
I completely understood Charlie killing that bastard. He hung him from a tree! What did they expect?
The Charlie backstory, by the way, felt somewhat pointless. It already seemed clear to me that his protection of Claire was his way of finding some self-esteem among all the problems he was going through prior to the crash.
I'm not sure why I feel this way, but Jin knows more than he's letting on. Not sure why...but his eyes show comprehension too often, if you ask me.
How DID Claire get away, I wonder? No way she could've done it alone; Ethan was a pretty capable guy.
One more addition to the chorus: we're WAY overdue for some Hurley backstory. Jack, Charlie and Kate have gotten two already. No fair!
That's all I've got.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 10, 2005 0:14:46 GMT -5
I dunno...I'm still mulling. 'Cause I appreciated a "low mystery" episode right about now. Nothing truly got fixed, but nothing new was added to the mix, either. Of course, amnesia episodes are so...jeez, does everyone have to do one? I hate that line, almost always delivered by one of the women, "Who are you people?"  I did like: "How many times have you seen real amnesia?" Television shows so rarely acknowledge the fact that amnesia is rare and almost always associated with brain damage. |
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Post by Just Willow on Feb 10, 2005 0:35:03 GMT -5
Random, random... I'm not sure why I feel this way, but Jin knows more than he's letting on. Not sure why...but his eyes show comprehension too often, if you ask me. One more addition to the chorus: we're WAY overdue for some Hurley backstory. Jack, Charlie and Kate have gotten two already. No fair! That's all I've got. I agree on Jin - I'm beginning to wonder if HE speaks English too...or at least I think he's beginning to suspect that his wife does. Hurley backstory much wanted here too. |
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Post by Matthew on Feb 10, 2005 3:17:50 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna go through this in my normal self-absorbed way, and plonk down every insanely insignificant thought while I do so, yet again. If this is getting on anyone's nerves, or anything, just let a TP know, and have them ask me to tighten it up a bit. ;D No opening eyeball sequence, though we see Charlie's eyes first.. Charlie Flashback? Hey, she's still preggers!! Wow! With a basketball, looks like. That screaming was not the reaction I was expecting... Oh, crap. Amnesia. Why does it always have to be amnesia? </Henry Jones Jr.> (Parenthetical voyage to the Happy Place during the adverts...) Aaaah... Goofily grinning Victoria's Secret models in various states of undress. I like it when they advertise this sale.  Act the oncet: Man, it's gotta suck to find out that you were in the same plane crash twice. Time check... nearly a month? Huh. Hey, Charlie! Give her her diary!! I think Jin suspects his wife slings the lingo..... I think Jin does, too, actually... Locke has a VERY creepy sardonic grin. "I sure hope not" Locke's face when he says that.. so.... creepy and completely exressionless. He's either not worried about Ethan at all, or he's got plans that he needs Ethan for. Yay!! Charlie was listening to me on the diary! Charlie still have ligature marks on his throat after two weeks? Or is that a shadow? "Ethan.. Ethan's the bad guy".... Aw crap. Now it's just gonna get more complicated... no simple blunt statement like that is EVER true. Charlie and one of the rats from Chicken Run, from the sound of Tommy... Huh.. so Charlie did the con man game too, huh? Heee!!! His hobbitly charm is irresistible.. "Shared like a common curry"! "Jane Austen would be ashamed!" Oh, thank god: Sayid is not a big soap opera fan, with the common amnesia thing. Was that a cryptic look on Locke's face when he asked about her getting her memory back? Or does he just have a naturally cryptic appearance? "Annyong"? What's that? I think Jin understand Charlie.. just listen more than he speaks to keep the upper hand... Bolo!! Duck!!yep, bolo. He didn't. Wonder if he's alive. Hi, Ethan. Wonder how you got those scratches. Looks like Claire got away on her own, after all. Second time he's been hoisted off the ground by his neck by this man. Damn, he does the ruthless creepy person thing so... WELL, doesn't he? Maybe Charlie's blunt little statement up there was the meta-truth, pure and simple, because that did not at all seem gray. Nice vexed but otherwise affectless voice and calm manner in the middle of his threats of mayhem and death. He's perfectly comfortable and in his element with this, from stopping Charlie's attack like one would swat aside a blow from a toddler, to just... informing him of what would happen, while casually, brutally holding him off the ground by his throat... forcing him to remember what happened to him the last time this man had his hands on him: trying to scare him into sumbission. |
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Post by Matthew on Feb 10, 2005 3:38:17 GMT -5
Good!!! Charlie didn't sumbit. I don't think Charlie's gonna forget that experience, Locke... Gotta say, I'm with Jack on this: tell everybody. But Locke has a good point about the possibillity that he's trying to manipulate them.... crap. Glad I'm not Jack. Huh.. for a second there, I thought that Jin was gonna tell her to knock off the crap about not knowing English. And hey! He's shirtless! You could put him in either contest!!! Oh crap, Charlie!! Don't lie to the woman!!!! She's ninety-seven months pregnant: it's not like she would go into premature labor. At this point, her labor would be all growed up. And... conning a woman brings him back to conning a woman. Are con men the single largest professional demographic on the island? We've got at least four of them: Five if you count Ethan. She's a cutie.. with a great smile. Oh, crap. Don't get out the guns... "Untrained hands"? Are you a trained hand, Jack? Nice alarm... "Absolutely: we're counting on you, Boone!" Why do I get the feeling that Locke is counting on Boone NOT doing the job well? Look on his face: maybe he's wondering that too. Oh lord, Jack, don't make promises you don't know you can keep. Say "We'll all try to keep something from happening to her" instead... Whoa.. Daddy Winston-Fan giving him the "Man has to provide for his wife and quit his band-playing" speech on the second date? "That's a whole boatload of manly responsibility..."  Letting your issues show there, Charlie.... or is that part of the con? Huh. He wants to do the right thing. God, poor boy.... "I guess this wasn't the best day to give up smack" Boone with a spear does not inspire feelings of confidence and security in me. And THAT's why. |
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Post by Matthew on Feb 10, 2005 3:51:05 GMT -5
And it's the bloody dog. ;D
Or not.
who is it? Some random castaway?
Charlie looks... resolved.
Hwo the hell did Locke know the guy came in from the water? Because it's what he would do?
Wow.. he didn't just kill him, he... enjoyed doing it. That guy was not gonna be an intelligence source: and risky to do it right there on the beach. Systematic torture to frighten.
Scott.. was he the one that was confused with Steve before? Guess so.
TELL THE PREGNANT GIRL!!!
"I'm not staring at you!!!" Hee!!!!
Poor Charlie.. and flashback. And in full withdrawal.....
God, poor poor guy... Don't, Charlie, Don't, Don't....
He did it. The poor guy.
And hello to the Pandora's Suitcase.
Locke's right to look around in concern.
Yep... he knows how to handle one. And that smile just gets creepier...
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Post by Matthew on Feb 10, 2005 4:02:29 GMT -5
I'm with Charlie on this one: dumb dumb idea.
So Jack's gonna have a weapon, too?
Sayid, the Soldier, John, the Hunter... where does Jack fit in?
Oooh...This is painful to watch......Right on the copier.
God.. four guns four men?
I know just the man for the job.
Oh dammit. I meant Kate. Sawyer with a gun? Not a good idea. Not neccesarily a bad idea, but I'd trust Kate first.
There's a fifth gun.....And Sawyer has it, that's right.
Good for Sawyer for seeing Kate's prowess with a gun!!!
And the mayhem potential just.... increases.
Oh, shoot him in the kneecap, Sayid. C'mon: it'll be fun.
God, he's freakin' scary. It's like watching the zombies in the new Dawn of the Dead. Quick, implacable, and bowel-curdeling.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 10, 2005 4:12:26 GMT -5
SHIT he dropped the gun.
Ethan spanked him last time 'round... easily. Wow... Jack has some balls in his background...
Somebody pick up the last gun, dammit..so Ethan doesn't get it, rolling around on the ground...
Charlie, you gorram stupid sonovabitch. Feel better now? Yes, he deserved to die, but WE WANTED FREAKING ANSWERS!!!!'
Huh. he had a point about Ethan not really being likely to be all that willing to talk.
Okay, that little last scene explains a lot about why he was so nuts to try and care for Claire.
Claire has the sweetest smile.....
Huh.. and she's giving back some of that which chickie took away before....
Preview: "I Never..." Good grief....
And they didn't re-pack Pandora's Suitcase again. Guess you never can.
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