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Post by Nickim on Feb 10, 2005 9:00:04 GMT -5
Hurley's backstory is coming in March, according to TV Guide. Yeah, I'm hot for that, too. Loved his graveyard speech, esp. the "I don't know how to end this. Er. Amen." It seems a little surprizing that of 40-plus people there isn't a single one with religion and a familiarity with funerals--wait a minute, Anne would fit the bill. But then we wouldn't have Hurley doing it, which would be a loss. Charlie acted completely in line with his disease. Whether or not he was right about not getting info from Ethan, whether or not Ethan would have been a hazard as a prisoner, most addicts and alcoholics would have done whatever they wanted (including shooting someone) and felt entirely justified in doing so. They are also often as charming as Charlie was in the bar. I think Charlie's wanting to take care of someone is really wanting to shore up his ego by being needed. And when people need you they can't leave you. Yup, very good insight. ITA
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Post by Nickim on Feb 10, 2005 9:04:36 GMT -5
Hellooo lovely S'cubies! I haven't caught up with the main thread, but I just thought I'd check out tonight's Lost thread. Eetah with everything in Spring's post. Sorry Lola, I can't see your Hurley = puppetmaster theory. How 'bout this for an alternate theory: Maybe they're saving Hurley's backstory for Drew Goddard to write. I would be extremely happy to wait for that. Does anybody know which story Drew got? (Tonight's was by Damon Lindelof, the co-creator.) Agree with Patti's disappointment that Ethan is dead. I do think it was demonstrating the important development that Charley was unbalanced, though. And agree with Rae that there will probably be serious consequences stemming from Ethan's death. Agree with Rob about Jack's extra punches. (IIRC, there were some extra kicks, too.) Apparently Charley wasn't the only one with Ethan issues. Agree with Rachael about the amnesia. Oh, and to go along with the amnesia cliché was the red-shirt-y death of Steve Scott. Scott Steve is doomed. And Matthew, I *like* your stream-of-consciousness posts. Reminds me of becca's, though with a bit less emphasis on color & clothes (except when you're describing Victoria's Secret commercials, of course… ;D) Oh, and especial Eetah! on your con men demographic and Pandora's suitcase comments. Ooh! Thanks, Winter, for the addict's behavior insight. Agree about Charley's self-esteem problem, although I think he does have genuine chemistry with and feelings for Claire. So, just a couple of other random thoughts: The episode did *not* begin with an eye, unless you count sleeping Charley's closed eye. I think they have strengthened the contrast / parallels between Charley and Boone: they both had caretaking urges. Except Boone's unbalanced caretaking phase was pre-island. Charley's is on-island. Also, Charley's incompetence phase was pre-island and Boone's is on-island. Boone has made himself into Locke's acolyte. Charley has made himself into a killer. (Aw Charley. Why'd you go and do that?) Agree with you guys that Jin seems to understand more than he lets on. It's perfectly logical for him to have learned English to help him in the course of his past business dealings. Dunno why he would conceal it from Sun, though. I could see Jin not wanting Sun's father to know that he spoke English. Rain makes things less clear, harder to see literally. Can't see very far--can't see the effects of one's actions--can't tell what's coming. Dangers can be hidden.
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Post by Nickim on Feb 10, 2005 9:07:28 GMT -5
No - you are not imagining this - it is the most boring episode. I was very disappointed. Amnesia - are you kidding me? How very cliche of them. I want to know more about the island mystery. Charlie's backstory part 2 was boring - absolutely nothing in this episode to get excited about. And next week looks like love triangle time - they seriously need to address island issues. I am sorry to see Scott go. See ya Scott. I didn't think this episode was boring at all. I guess it's like watching waves on a beach, the waves can get boring, but underneath all sorts of things are going on--shark attacks, etc.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 10, 2005 9:46:27 GMT -5
I didn't think this episode was boring at all. I guess it's like watching waves on a beach, the waves can get boring, but underneath all sorts of things are going on--shark attacks, etc. Well I agree there were undercurrents and I'm a serious fan but I truly did not think much of this. I've read everyone's opinions and I agree but the writers need to put the undercurrents in a story that holds the viewers interest. Amnesia has been done to death to me - didn't Charlie just have an amnesia moment when Eathan strung him up? Wait a minute - maybe Eathan is a vampire and has Drusilla's hypnotic gaze thing going - YOU WILL REMEMBER NOTHING! Killing off a redshirt - no matter how good the Hurley prayer or their earlier Scott/Steve scene just had no emotional resonance to me. Plus the whole fight in the rain seemed like a let's do this scene again moment to me. I love Lost and I will keep watching - I just felt that they needed to give us something in the overall island arc that carried the plot forward.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 10, 2005 9:55:52 GMT -5
I think Jin suspects his wife slings the lingo..... I think Jin does, too, actually... Yes! Me, too! Jin is gonna turn out to be something still more than what we've been shown. I'm sure he speaks English at this point - he protests too much to not.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 10, 2005 9:57:30 GMT -5
"Evil!" not neccesarily "MUTANT Evil!" I don't think she kept it hidden: Sawyer knows her type, and knows from the way she disarmed him that she knows guns: Why he suggested her, I think. Jack seemed to know she had the knowledge, what with the confessing some to him, and the knowing the guns in the case..... and he was limiting the party to those who knew how to use them: by default, Locke and Sayid would assume she was familiar, if Jack was okay with it without question. What I want to know is, where from and how much does Jack know about guns? And if it was already cocked, all Charlie would have had to have done was pull the trigger: Likely the safety was already off. I think Jack has many of the earmarks of some sort of military training, except that Ethan bested him the first time out.
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Post by Nickim on Feb 10, 2005 10:00:36 GMT -5
Well I agree there were undercurrents and I'm a serious fan but I truly did not think much of this. I've read everyone's opinions and I agree but the writers need to put the undercurrents in a story that holds the viewers interest. Amnesia has been done to death to me - didn't Charlie just have an amnesia moment when Eathan strung him up? Wait a minute - maybe Eathan is a vampire and has Drusilla's hypnotic gaze thing going - YOU WILL REMEMBER NOTHING! Killing off a redshirt - no matter how good the Hurley prayer or their earlier Scott/Steve scene just had no emotional resonance to me. Plus the whole fight in the rain seemed like a let's do this scene again moment to me.I love Lost and I will keep watching - I just felt that they needed to give us something in the overall island arc that carried the plot forward. I think it symbolized the slippery moral slope the whole group is sliding down. Yes, Ethan kidnapped Claire, but if he didn't grow up around other people or is insane, he may not be responsible for his actions. I don't think he's Alex, his English is too perfect. And, I agree with everyone else, Jin has to know at least some English.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 10, 2005 10:09:23 GMT -5
I think it symbolized the slippery moral slope the whole group is sliding down. Yes, Ethan kidnapped Claire, but if he didn't grow up around other people or is insane, he may not be responsible for his actions. I don't think he's Alex, his English is too perfect. And, I agree with everyone else, Jin has to know at least some English. I truly agree with all you are saying Nikki - I tend to be far more critical about theatre, television, movies - partly due to my background - I teach children's musical theatre, my children are professional actors and I have acted in the past and I write children's plays. Therefore I tend to look at things in the entertainment area first and then the actor's portrayal (and no complaints there at all - the actors are all doing a terrific job) and finally the overall story.
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Post by Karen on Feb 10, 2005 10:33:47 GMT -5
I just skimmed over everyone's reaction to last night's "Lost" episode. No nakid Sawyer. Hardly any Sawyer at all, actually.
I felt that this episode was very disjointed. I haven't been able to pull all the pieces together in my mind. Hopefully, Vlad will be able to do that for me.
I did notice that Linda wondered when Drew Goddard's episode will be airing. It's on next week:
Drew Goddards' "Outlaws" (1.16) - Scheduled to air Feb. 16, 2005.
EETAH on wanting a Hurley backstory. Altho, from the looks of everyone else's, I don't think it's going to be a happy one.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 11:05:55 GMT -5
I think it symbolized the slippery moral slope the whole group is sliding down. Yes, Ethan kidnapped Claire, but if he didn't grow up around other people or is insane, he may not be responsible for his actions. I don't think he's Alex, his English is too perfect. And, I agree with everyone else, Jin has to know at least some English. Agree. Ethan not Alex. I didn't like the introduction of Ethan, don't care who he is, and am glad he is gone. My hope would be that we never hear of him again, but I doubt this will come true.
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Post by Becky H on Feb 10, 2005 11:08:05 GMT -5
I didn't think this episode was boring at all. I guess it's like watching waves on a beach, the waves can get boring, but underneath all sorts of things are going on--shark attacks, etc. I'm with you, Nicki. Although we again got more questions than answers, I think this episode did a nice job of ratcheting up the tension. I suspect that this will be one that, in retrospect, will be more important than we now suspect. Two quick asides: I'm in the Ethan not being Alex camp; Ethan is so not a French name, he has no accent, and he's gone! I think Alex is still out there. Second, when Ethan had lifted Charlies off the ground and was strangling him, did any other woman in the audience think, "Knee him in the balls, you twit!"
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 10, 2005 11:11:22 GMT -5
Well I agree there were undercurrents and I'm a serious fan but I truly did not think much of this. I've read everyone's opinions and I agree but the writers need to put the undercurrents in a story that holds the viewers interest. Amnesia has been done to death to me - didn't Charlie just have an amnesia moment when Eathan strung him up? Wait a minute - maybe Eathan is a vampire and has Drusilla's hypnotic gaze thing going - YOU WILL REMEMBER NOTHING! Killing off a redshirt - no matter how good the Hurley prayer or their earlier Scott/Steve scene just had no emotional resonance to me. Plus the whole fight in the rain seemed like a let's do this scene again moment to me. I love Lost and I will keep watching - I just felt that they needed to give us something in the overall island arc that carried the plot forward. Yes - undercurrents just aren't enough for me either. The overlying story has to be good storytelling and engaging, etc . . . and this ep just was dull on that level for me. It's a totally subjective thing. I plan to keep watching until the end of the Season. Then I'll see if my interest level has been maintained to watch next Season. I have to admit that if it wasn't for this little discussion group here, I'd probably already have stopped watching the show. I can't say why, really . . . just a general feeling of frustration and . . . as the French lady would say, ennui.
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Post by Sara on Feb 10, 2005 11:32:52 GMT -5
I'm with you, Nicki. Although we again got more questions than answers, I think this episode did a nice job of ratcheting up the tension. I suspect that this will be one that, in retrospect, will be more important than we now suspect. Two quick asides: I'm in the Ethan not being Alex camp; Ethan is so not a French name, he has no accent, and he's gone! I think Alex is still out there. Second, when Ethan had lifted Charlies off the ground and was strangling him, did any other woman in the audience think, "Knee him in the balls, you twit!" But don't forget Ethan Rom may not be his real name, especially since it's an anagram. He obviously infiltrated the group for a reason, and he was very intelligent--I'd have no problem believing he took the phrase "other man" and anagrammed it into a pair of proper names before he joined the castaways, just for his own amusement.
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Post by Queen E on Feb 10, 2005 11:59:03 GMT -5
I just skimmed over everyone's reaction to last night's "Lost" episode. No nakid Sawyer. Hardly any Sawyer at all, actually. I felt that this episode was very disjointed. I haven't been able to pull all the pieces together in my mind. Hopefully, Vlad will be able to do that for me. I did notice that Linda wondered when Drew Goddard's episode will be airing. It's on next week: Drew Goddards' "Outlaws" (1.16) - Scheduled to air Feb. 16, 2005.EETAH on wanting a Hurley backstory. Altho, from the looks of everyone else's, I don't think it's going to be a happy one. Hurley's backstory will be Episode 18, airing March 2. And there will be 24 episodes this season, rather than the usual 22.
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Post by Becky H on Feb 10, 2005 18:10:07 GMT -5
But don't forget Ethan Rom may not be his real name, especially since it's an anagram. He obviously infiltrated the group for a reason, and he was very intelligent--I'd have no problem believing he took the phrase "other man" and anagrammed it into a pair of proper names before he joined the castaways, just for his own amusement. I had forgotten about that. Good catch, Sara. I will be seriously annoyed if this is one of the questions that doesn't get answered.
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