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Post by RAKSHA on Mar 3, 2005 17:34:58 GMT -5
***************************************** In other news, the character of Vincent is played by Madison. Hey...isn't that a girl's name? Let me research this...YES! According to imdb.com, Madison is a female playing a male. Damn...Evangeline Lilly's chances for a nomination just went down the toilet. I mean, come on...did any of us catch on to Vincent in drag? Jaye Davidson only wishes he'd been this convincing in "The Crying Game." That's one talented bitch. >> Vincent's played by a bitch? Wow. Great little actress. Actually, she looks "a doggy bitch", a show-ring term for a bitch who is more masculine in appearance, i.e. a bit larger and bigger-boned, than the more refined and feminine bitches. In some breeds, doggy bitches do better in the show ring than their more refined sisters...
Anyway, Vincent/Madison is a nice looking Lab and could, IMO, win an Emmy over Kate.
8-)GAIL
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Post by Lola m on Mar 3, 2005 17:35:21 GMT -5
I was thinking about all the different groups on the island and some of the assumptions we've been making. I think there are at least 3 separate factions on the Island - the CFL & her crew (now deceased), Ethan & co? and finally flight 815. Had we assumed that Ethan had others with him, or did he specifically say so? Was he all alone, or part of a group? If he was part of a group, (which I think he was) surely Rousseau would know about them since she's been around for so long. How did he, or his group get to the island? Last night that the CFL said she was all alone now - all her shipmates were dead... If I remember correctly. Previously I think we assumed that Ethan had some association with her - but I don't think that's the case now (although I could be wrong since he is dead now). But if my assumption that Ethan was part of a group is correct - then they must be a separate group from the CFL's ship crew. I'm not sure what all this means, but if I was on the island I'd want to leverage Hurley's new found friendship and try and find out something about who else is on the island from Rousseau. Very true. We don't have any proof that Ethan was associated with CFL, so he may be part of some totally separate group. But she's been on the island long enough that she probably knows quite a bit about who else is there. I like the idea of trying to build on the friendship moment with Hurley. They need to get her to put the gun down for a while. Try to talk to her and re-acclimate her to the idea of them, get her past some of the craziness that is due to isolation and see what info they can learn. Granted, I think some of her problems are not just due to isolation, so I'm not sure how well it would work, but they should try. She'd be a good friend to have on the island and a very bad one to have as an enemy.
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Post by raenstorm on Mar 3, 2005 22:40:57 GMT -5
This could tie into Vlad's ideas... www.irdial.com/conet.htmAlso, for anyone interested in what others are figuring out in regards to the numbers (or, perhaps, grasping at straws at in regards to the numbers) ... there are some cool LJ entries in Lost communities but I liked some of these ideas: www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/544058.html#cutid1Mostly I just liked the connections drawn between Hurley's numbers and the "important" numbers for people on the island.
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Post by Becky H on Mar 4, 2005 10:33:26 GMT -5
One more reason to love Hurley, which I don't think anyone else has mentioned yet: he brought back a battery for the greater good, the raft, but apparently none for a selfish reason, his own CD player. Awww.
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Post by Sara on Mar 4, 2005 14:09:26 GMT -5
One thing that I haven't seen come up yet is that "Numbers" is a book of the Bible--the one in which Moses and his followers spend years in the wilderness searching for the promised land. No, really. Moreover, it's also the 4th book. Interesting coincidence, no?
I haven't had a chance to sit down with my copy and see if the numbers could all correspond to chapters and/or verses, but I suspect 42 will end up being the odd numeral out...
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Post by Rachael on Mar 4, 2005 22:37:48 GMT -5
I think part of it too (also in his testing the bridge) was his belief that part of the power of the numbers was that though bad things happen to those around him, he was safe. Exactly. (Having just now finally gotten to watch the ep....) Anyway - the curse is for anyone who uses the numbers to have horrible things happening to those around them...maybe to lose everyone and everything they care about...but to come through it all unscathes (physically) themselves. And in Hurley's case, maybe even to profit by it? Hence the moneymaking from his business ventures that burned down and whatnot? Thus, CFL using the numbers and being the only one to survive the "sickness", whatever it was...who else has used the numbers? Kate?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 4, 2005 22:39:44 GMT -5
Yes - Hurely focused totally on the bad. I mean - yes they crashed, but they should all be dead and it is . . . incredible luck, you might say, that they are not dead. I loved how Hurley and the French lady bonded when she actually stopped talking about herself and LISTENED to him, and then agreed with him. He was so terribly in need of some external validation . . . some external agreement that he was not crazy. (And if he wasn't a patient in that hospital, I'll roast my shirt over an open fire and eat it.) And she may well have needed the same thing.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 4, 2005 22:45:59 GMT -5
Awwwww, crap... I jsut solved it... well a lot of it... I think. Damn... Okay... as the new show on CBS likes to say: It's all about the numbers. Well, in this case, they were the big final clue that puts alot into place for me. Okay, bear with me: First, the numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Now, the thing that set me off was actually a combination of Sara's noticing that 815 is a combination in the long set (The number of Kate's safty deposit box and the number of the flight they were all on) and then Karen's mention of '42 and hte Navy connotation (However, the widow said they were serving 16 years ago and theres no way the looney in the hospital was in WWII.) Then as I glanced back over the the other stuff I saw "Wrinkle in Time." Then I thought back to Lola's summation/list stuff I read this morning. In it she mentioned something about Locke.. how his compass doesn't point to true north. Now I won't say why this clicked (maybe it's lack of decent sleep recently *L*) but I started thinking... what was it that happened in 1942?... oh crap! And hit the search engine, typing in my suspicion. Here is part of the very first article I turned up (pay attention to the phrases I bolded.): From the Paranormal News (paranormalnews.com) - The Philadelphia Experiment: New Evidence Surfaces
Written By: Bill Knell Posted: 5/1/2004
The Philadelphia Experiment is a story that refuses to die. For over sixty years the tale of U.S. Government experiments with invisibility, time travel and mind control have been the crux of what started at the Philadelphia Navy Shipment as a project to demagnetize warships in the early 1940s. Despite denials by the Navy, in-depth investigations by debunkers and a world full of scientists who say it wasn’t possible in the 1940’s and still isn’t today, a steady flow of new witnesses and evidence seems to support the story. Then we have the next item I looked at: From the Historical Navy Center (www.history.navy.mil) DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER 805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060 The "Philadelphia Experiment"
Allegedly, in the fall of 1943 a U.S. Navy destroyer was made invisible and teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia, in an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment. Records in the Operational Archives Branch of the Naval Historical Center have been repeatedly searched, but no documents have been located which confirm the event, or any interest by the Navy in attempting such an achievement.From another source, this is what is claimed happened: "" The result of the experiment was COMPLETE INVISIBILITY of a ship destroyer type, AND ALL its crew, while at sea (Oct. 1943). The field was effective in an oblate spheroidal shape, extending 100 yards...OUT from each beam of the ship. Any person within that sphere became vague in form...Somehow, also, the experimental ship disappeared from its Philadelphia dock and only a very few minutes later appeared at its other dock in the Norfolk, Newport News, Portsmouth area...the ship then AGAIN disappeared and went BACK to its Philadelphia dock. ""
The above is an extract from a letter written on January 13, 1965, by Carlos Miguel Allende (also known as Carl Allen), a former seaman, to Dr. Morris Jessup, an astronomer and author of "The Case For The UFO" (1995). The experiment, claimed Allende, was an application, by a scientist called Dr. Franklin Reno, of Eintein's unified field theory (a theory that attempts to connect the fundamental forces of nature). Reno, Allende claimed, had successfully connected the field of gravity with that of electromagnetism.******* OKay boys and girls.. what do you think? A big Hmmmm? Remember that the CFL said tonight that they heard the signal and that's what led them to the island. So, someone was already there. Perhaps since WW2? Maybe the Navy doing experiments prior to their tests in Philly less than a year later?? In the Philidelphia legend, some people were killed, somewere maimed and some simply dissappeared, never to be heard from again. The fact that they were working with "demagnetizing" ships (in an effort to create radar and sonar defeating stealth fields) would explain perhaps why the magnetic field on the island is wonky... The hatch that Locke and Boone found... maybe its the WW2 bunker where the tests were/are being performed? Maybe Ethan is not CFL's son after all, but a time traveled Navy guy? Okay, thats the big part of my theory... the others have to do ith little tie-ins like the "Movies/Books" quotes I pasted in above: Short Round - Came from Indiana Jones and hte Temple of Doom... part of a trilogy about a reknowned acheologist that deals with the occult and paranormal and fights a lot of Nazi's at he beginning of WW2. Captain America - Had his origins as a superhero that fought against the Nazis in WW2 Stay Puft - The fat marshmellow man from Ghostbusters, where scientists where scientist attempt to manipulate the paranormal world with their technology Wrinkle in Time - Well sorta duh! If what happened with the Philadelphia experiment happened then I think the term "wrinkle in time" rather applies Alright guys... think on this and let me know anything else you caught. Especially anythign to do with the numbers... I think these are a HUGE clue and theres more info in there to be gleaned. Vlad Nah. Too easy.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 4, 2005 22:50:31 GMT -5
Y'all referenced Douglas Adams, but I didn't see any specific mention that the answer to everything was right there: "Mega number" 42. I was gonna, but was reading the thread to see if anyone else did, first. Yes, there it is - the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. Bugger all - the island is a gigantic supercomputer, and that kid is the spanner in the works that's gonna result in the wrong question....
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Post by Rachael on Mar 4, 2005 23:09:21 GMT -5
Everyone has such great thoughts! I want to talk about them all, but no time. No time, no time. Read an interesting thing about the number 42. It has something to do with DNA and 42 being human DNA's vibration frequency, but I haven't had a chance to check out the truth of it. Maybe Rachael knows something about it. Back to catch up from reading this morning. Doesn't really mean much: the natural frequency at which human DNA vibrates (oscillates) is 42 times per second, apparently. It's a fairly useless piece of data, except to folks who are dying for Douglas Adams to have been a prophet.
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Post by Nickim on Mar 5, 2005 8:55:42 GMT -5
One thing that I haven't seen come up yet is that "Numbers" is a book of the Bible--the one in which Moses and his followers spend years in the wilderness searching for the promised land. No, really. Moreover, it's also the 4th book. Interesting coincidence, no? I haven't had a chance to sit down with my copy and see if the numbers could all correspond to chapters and/or verses, but I suspect 42 will end up being the odd numeral out... The Israelites had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years because they disobeyed God. Our castaways seem to be people who have disobeyed authority in varies ways. It's a possible parallel, but the numbers don't quite match.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Mar 5, 2005 21:59:31 GMT -5
I was gonna, but was reading the thread to see if anyone else did, first. Yes, there it is - the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. Bugger all - the island is a gigantic supercomputer, and that kid is the spanner in the works that's gonna result in the wrong question.... I did, but nobody noticed. It was after Linda's post, but before I'd read the thread, I suspect.
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Post by Karen on Mar 5, 2005 22:41:28 GMT -5
I did, but nobody noticed. It was after Linda's post, but before I'd read the thread, I suspect. I noticed! I just figured that I'm the only one here who hasn't read the Hitchhiker books yet and everyone else was nodding and thinking 'duh - well who isn't thinking that'. TV Guide says that the first season of "Lost" takes place in 40 days. If my theory about Claire's demon child baby is correct (born on the 42nd day), we won't see it born this season.
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Post by Pixi on Mar 8, 2005 16:19:25 GMT -5
One thing that I haven't seen come up yet is that "Numbers" is a book of the Bible--the one in which Moses and his followers spend years in the wilderness searching for the promised land. No, really. Moreover, it's also the 4th book. Interesting coincidence, no? I haven't had a chance to sit down with my copy and see if the numbers could all correspond to chapters and/or verses, but I suspect 42 will end up being the odd numeral out... Wow - very good catch.
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Post by Dragon on Mar 9, 2005 0:06:49 GMT -5
Very true. We don't have any proof that Ethan was associated with CFL, so he may be part of some totally separate group. But she's been on the island long enough that she probably knows quite a bit about who else is there. I like the idea of trying to build on the friendship moment with Hurley. They need to get her to put the gun down for a while. Try to talk to her and re-acclimate her to the idea of them, get her past some of the craziness that is due to isolation and see what info they can learn. Granted, I think some of her problems are not just due to isolation, so I'm not sure how well it would work, but they should try. She'd be a good friend to have on the island and a very bad one to have as an enemy. \ I Think she needed to have another reason for everyone being drawn to the island besides her, that what happend wasn't her fault, that she could look beyond her own grief and guilt to have something else to focus on. Hurley needed to not be the reason himself that bad things happen around him. So did she. But what is the sickness she always talks about? Is the bunker we saw at the end of the show the one that Locke is digging up? Matthew thinks so. I don't know, I think it is a different one and with the numbers sunk into the metal of the bunker, that place is where the transmission was started. There are other people there on the island existing between thre two realities. That is why Claire can't remember what happened to her The boy is the key He doesn't want to leave, and until he does, they will stay there. Also all of the key players were on the flight for unusual reasons, all of them drawn to that flight. Fate? Also I know the meaning of the number 42. It is my birth month, Momentus events happened on the 15th of that month!!!
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