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Post by Becky H on Mar 31, 2005 10:39:02 GMT -5
What an interesting episode! But is anyone else annoyed that we are still getting new questions at a greater clip than answers to questions? Argh!
Things I don't think anyone else has mentioned yet: Locke's repeat of his line in "Walkabout": "Don't tell me what I can/can't do."
To go with Makd's Christ-like imagery: Locke carrying Boone back to camp makes me think, in retrospect, of Christ bearing his cross. Locke ignored the foreshadowing in his dream that Boone would be hurt; will his actions leading to Boone's injuries be his cross to bear?
I found it strange that Locke, who has seemed to be proceeding on faith that the Island will show him what he needs to do, manifests that faith by trying to build a better mousetrap.
Shades of opening the Hellmouth if it turns out to be Locke's tears that do the trick.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 11:00:55 GMT -5
Can't sleep and still on a Lost roll: The mousetrap intrigues me: I remember more about the Christian mousetrap --- Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was the devil's mousetrap, too. and Jesus was a carpenter who probably earned a hefty drachma - or whatever coin they used - building crosses. Locke was trapped in the mousetrap his father and mother built for him. ooh, ooh, and there's more: (I really need these periodic bouts of insomnia.. or maybe not. ) I just remember Karl Marx - who said that religion was an opiate for the masses - and, back to mirrors: the statues of Mary with the opiate tucked into each statue. Which means that the religion was literally providing an opiate for the masses. (Or, in this case, the Masses...) The Nigerian priest really wasn't a priest. That was cover for the drug-running. So, there's another betrayal - another cover of religion not being real,but actually being a betrayal. And, now there's another person who's killed someone -- Boone --- I'm thinking more and more that the Island is literally hell... and, I promise this is my last posting on this episode: No man is an island, entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. -- John Donne HMOG, but I loved this episode! I think the last episode I found this rich, this amazing was AtS' Soul Purpose - and this was richer! Loved this "Lost roll" makd. Nice insights. Yes - yes - all about betrayals, things not being as they seem - the God/Virgin Mary/Christ imagery . . . good stuff. Definitely agree, the best ep yet - rich is a good word for it, without sacrificing entertaining and gripping and all that good stuff.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 11:04:12 GMT -5
Has this been mentioned yet? "Where do you find footballs? Aisle 8 for regular, 15 for Nerf." 815. I so didn't see that when I was watching. Oh! Cool. Numbers are apparently a big deal in the series. Kinda hard for me personally to get into, though, as far as worrying about significance. But it is still fun to notice.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 31, 2005 11:08:12 GMT -5
Oh! Cool. Numbers are apparently a big deal in the series. Kinda hard for me personally to get into, though, as far as worrying about significance. But it is still fun to notice. The buttons on the main board are gone; does anyone know where there might be a technopagan? Julia, also for some reason I'm now "juliahen." Tres weird.
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Post by Karen on Mar 31, 2005 11:31:38 GMT -5
Oh! Cool. Numbers are apparently a big deal in the series. Kinda hard for me personally to get into, though, as far as worrying about significance. But it is still fun to notice. I feel the same way you do about the numbers, Spring. I know there are a lot of people in the world who attach significance to certain 'lucky' or 'unlucky' numbers. I feel that the number thing in the series it to remind us of that - the difference in people's personal philosophies. Are we all part of a design? Is there a greater meaning to our existance. Stuff like that. We all end up in the same place in the end no matter our beliefs. ETA: The 815 number gives me pause because that the area code for where I live. I *know* intellectually that numbers themselves are neither lucky or unlucky - but there is still something in me that makes me question that knowledge at times. I still 'knock on wood' when I say stuff like - "I haven't been sick for a couple of years.". Why do I do that, when I *know* doing that isn't really going to keep me safe?
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 11:42:50 GMT -5
The buttons on the main board are gone; does anyone know where there might be a technopagan? Julia, also for some reason I'm now "juliahen." Tres weird. Yes - tres weird, indeed. I see no technopagans and have no suggestions other than someone starting a temporary new section (anyone can start a thread, but it won't show up as the first thread . . . not sure if it will be 2nd, or show up after the pic contest polls, or what). Or discussion could move temporarily to a little used thread in one of the other sections . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 11:45:26 GMT -5
I feel the same way you do about the numbers, Spring. I know there are a lot of people in the world who attach significance to certain 'lucky' or 'unlucky' numbers. I feel that the number thing in the series it to remind us of that - the difference in people's personal philosophies. Are we all part of a design? Is there a greater meaning to our existance. Stuff like that. We all end up in the same place in the end no matter our beliefs. ETA: The 815 number gives me pause because that the area code for where I live. I *know* intellectually that numbers themselves are neither lucky or unlucky - but there is still something in me that makes me question that knowledge at times. I still 'knock on wood' when I say stuff like - "I haven't been sick for a couple of years.". Why do I do that, when I *know* doing that isn't really going to keep me safe? Agree with your thoughts here, but I was also thinking the numbers may be actual clues of some sort, to our island mysteries - but I'm not much into trying to figure it out. I am just more into the fun of noticing them, for its own sake.
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Post by Sara on Mar 31, 2005 11:46:30 GMT -5
Yes - tres weird, indeed. I see no technopagans and have no suggestions other than someone starting a temporary new section (anyone can start a thread, but it won't show up as the first thread . . . not sure if it will be 2nd, or show up after the pic contest polls, or what). Or discussion could move temporarily to a little used thread in one of the other sections . . . I just emailed Patti about the board--hopefully she'll notice and come to our rescue.
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Post by Sara on Mar 31, 2005 11:57:32 GMT -5
Trying to make my next post in this section relevant... Given how prophetic Locke's dream turned out to be and what we saw in the preview (granted, the previews are usually not a source to be trusted), I'm seriously wondering if Boone is going to survive this: in Locke's vision Boone's eyes were clouded over, much like those of a dead body. And I'm more than a little pissed at Locke for taking off after bringing Boone to the camp. First, information he alone can provide about how Boone got injured could very well be key to helping Jack treat Boone's injuries. Second, the guy was only up in the damn plane in the first place because of Locke and his insistence that the plane was important. The wounds Boone bears should be Locke's, yet the only reason Locke's upset is because he thought he'd be shown a way to get into the hatch? I'm also wondering if next week might not be when we finally get a look at the Boone/Shannon dynamic from her point of view--she's one of the few folks left who hasn't had a flashback show done from her perspective.
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Post by Karen on Mar 31, 2005 12:02:16 GMT -5
Agree with your thoughts here, but I was also thinking the numbers may be actual clues of some sort, to our island mysteries - but I'm not much into trying to figure it out. I am just more into the fun of noticing them, for its own sake. I agree that the numbers might also be clues. We're being shown connections between characters/certain numbers. Or we are being messed with by the writers. I speculated that we'd see Claire's baby born on the 42nd day, but I think that I'm probably wrong because I read that the first season consists of 40 days (and 40 nights?) and it looks like Claire is close to having the baby.
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Post by Karen on Mar 31, 2005 12:06:21 GMT -5
Trying to make my next post in this section relevant... Given how prophetic Locke's dream turned out to be and what we saw in the preview (granted, the previews are usually not a source to be trusted), I'm seriously wondering if Boone is going to survive this: in Locke's vision Boone's eyes were clouded over, much like those of a dead body. And I'm more than a little pissed at Locke for taking off after bringing Boone to the camp. First, information he alone can provide about how Boone got injured could very well be key to helping Jack treat Boone's injuries. Second, the guy was only up in the damn plane in the first place because of Locke and his insistence that the plane was important. The wounds Boone bears should be Locke's, yet the only reason Locke's upset is because he thought he'd be shown a way to get into the hatch? EETAH with being pissed at Locke's actions concerning Boone. I'm also ticked that he didn't tell Jack about the plane or the steel box, for that matter. He's being awfully possessive of them. It does look like next week will be Shannon's crisis (of faith?).
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Post by Pixi on Mar 31, 2005 12:11:18 GMT -5
Yes - tres weird, indeed. I see no technopagans and have no suggestions other than someone starting a temporary new section (anyone can start a thread, but it won't show up as the first thread . . . not sure if it will be 2nd, or show up after the pic contest polls, or what). Or discussion could move temporarily to a little used thread in one of the other sections . . . I came back from driving pixikins and I was all whahuh? Hopefully it will be up and running soon. If everyone has gone somewhere else, can someone let me know?
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Post by Sara on Mar 31, 2005 12:14:42 GMT -5
EETAH with being pissed at Locke's actions concerning Boone. I'm also ticked that he didn't tell Jack about the plane or the steel box, for that matter. He's being awful possessive them. It does look like next week will be Shannon's crisis (of faith?). That's what I forgot when I was writing my post--to tell you I agree with your sense that they're in Purgatory, not Hell. It seems to me that a consistent characteristic of Hell is unending punishment tailor-made for one's sin, be it Tantalus unable to reach the food and drink that lies so near to him or the contripasso principle of Dante's Inferno where passionate lovers are consumed by fire and liars are buried in filth. Purgatory is about the process of atonement as a soul works its way back into a state of grace, a possibility absent for those consigned to Hell. And personally, I'd say the castaways are experiencing a process, not a punishment. But YMMV.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 12:16:10 GMT -5
Trying to make my next post in this section relevant... Given how prophetic Locke's dream turned out to be and what we saw in the preview (granted, the previews are usually not a source to be trusted), I'm seriously wondering if Boone is going to survive this: in Locke's vision Boone's eyes were clouded over, much like those of a dead body. And I'm more than a little pissed at Locke for taking off after bringing Boone to the camp. First, information he alone can provide about how Boone got injured could very well be key to helping Jack treat Boone's injuries. Second, the guy was only up in the damn plane in the first place because of Locke and his insistence that the plane was important. The wounds Boone bears should be Locke's, yet the only reason Locke's upset is because he thought he'd be shown a way to get into the hatch? I'm also wondering if next week might not be when we finally get a look at the Boone/Shannon dynamic from her point of view--she's one of the few folks left who hasn't had a flashback show done from her perspective. Oh yes. Did you see the trailer, with a very injured Boone begging Jack to just "let him go?" I do not want Boone to die. I don't want any of them to die, though I can imagine that such a thing could happen in a show like this one. Locke leaving Boone - yes, terrible thing to do. Definite parallel being drawn with what his own father did to him: [/li][li]Locke's dad, Anthony, lets him put his own (Locke's) life at risk, with the thought that he is doing something for the both of them -something they will both benefit from. Then once he has what he wants, Anthony abandons his physically damaged and hurting son and leaves him all alone in the hospital to go back to his own life and interests. [/li][li]Locke tells Boone to make that climb: "You have to do it for us." He can see it is dangerous, and he's even had a dream suggesting Boone will get hurt. Then he abandons the ailing Boone to go back to his obsession - the hatch. Of course, Locke is NOWHERE near as slimy and deliberate and ruthless and hurtful and absolutely selfish about it all as Anthony. But still, I believe the parallel is deliberate. Locke subconsciously doing to Boone what his father did to him. Yes - am anxious to see Shannon's reaction in general to Boone's terrible state.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 31, 2005 12:17:41 GMT -5
I agree that the numbers might also be clues. We're being shown connections between characters/certain numbers. Or we are being messed with by the writers. I speculated that we'd see Claire's baby born on the 42nd day, but I think that I'm probably wrong because I read that the first season consists of 40 days (and 40 nights?) and it looks like Claire is close to having the baby. Yes - she looks like she's close to having at least one baby! I too assume she will have it before the end of the Season. She's way too ready to pop!
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