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Post by Lola m on Mar 30, 2005 21:52:51 GMT -5
heh. Yeah but he didn't figure it out until he realized how the shaky the plane was... but I had completely forgotten about Boone's bloodiness even with my obsession with all the red and clues (the folder, the car... the person falling from up high to set off the mouse trap) in Locke's flashback. Wow. I'd forgotten the mouse trap. Dropping down just like the trap that mom and dad are setting for Locke. Huh. Cool!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 30, 2005 22:06:19 GMT -5
And yet I'm blank right now - but I'll get over that after re-watching for a few times. Jumping over to Alias thread now... I sometimes hate how quickly we jump from Lost to Alias. I hate that too. Especially when both are just stunning episodes...
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 30, 2005 22:31:15 GMT -5
Your brain is a wonderful and intriguing place to be. **wanders around in Spring's brain again, looking for Spike footprints and Sawyer fingerprints** I keep wondering what the Deus Ex Machina was, though. The island itself - giving and taking away? The plane - hanging from the cliff and then crashing down like a machine being lowered from the Gods? The general theme or thread of Locke's life? The "fate" (con - hmmmm, another con job) that brought him into his father's life in time for the transplant? Lola Locke's Dad: "I guess I must be God, then." (when Locke says his mom claimed he was immaculately conceived). A light comes on inside the metal thing at the end. Hmmmm. I guess if I was writing this review, I would try to figure this out. I really didn't give the eps title any thought, though - lots and lots of references to Locke expecting the Island to intervene in his fate. . . . Here's the definition of Deus Ex Machina from the on-line American Heritage dictionary: NOUN: 1. In Greek and Roman drama, a god lowered by stage machinery to resolve a plot or extricate the protagonist from a difficult situation. 2. An unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot. 3. A person or event that provides a sudden and unexpected solution to a difficulty. ETYMOLOGY: New Latin deus ex mchin : Latin deus, god + Latin ex, from + Latin mchin, ablative of mchina, machine (translation of Greek theos apo mekhans).
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Post by Karen on Mar 30, 2005 22:53:20 GMT -5
Hell, Locke needs a lock! ;D I agree - very nice twist. And what is it with the evil daddies on this show? Evil daddies indeed. Locke's was a first class asshole. Can you imagine taking your son's kidney and then icing him out of your life? The steel box needed tears? At least it wasn't blood it needed - or was it? Boone's blood? He had quite the trauma with his Nanny at the tender age of 6 - similar in age to Sawyer when his dad killed himself. Locke's mom baited him by telling him he was part of a design. That he had a purpose. Locke got his ability to walk back when he needed to carry Boone to safety. And I have no idea where I'm going with this, but this episode had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. The heroin! What the heck was that all about? There's got to be some connection to Charlie somehow.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:01:01 GMT -5
Hell, Locke needs a lock! ;D I agree - very nice twist. And what is it with the evil daddies on this show? you got your evil daddies on both Abrams shows...
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:05:53 GMT -5
Welcome to this week’s edition of Lost in Spring’s brain!
[/li][li]Oh my gosh, what a great ep! [/li][li]Immaculate Conception, Virgin Mary full of heroine – what’s inside? Seeing clearly. Putting on the right glasses. The truth is seen. The light comes on. [/li][li]Finding out what’s wrong. Finding out what the real trouble is, what’s underneath it all: What’s wrong with Sawyer? What’s wrong with Locke’s father? What’s wrong with Emily Locke? Facing up to the fact that something is wrong (with your eyes, with your legs, with your perceptions of reality.) [/li][li]Finding something to have faith in again, after such a horrible betrayal. Afraid he’s been betrayed again. But the light comes on? What does it mean? [/li][li]Locke, getting Boone to risk his life so Locke could achieve his end, then leaving his “son,” Boone, just lying there injured, just as his father left him. [/li][li]Better or worse? What is meant to be? What is worth doing, what isn’t? Will it make things better or worse? [/li][li]Loved the funny lines in the ep – Michael learning how to say “faster and idiot.” Sawyer and Jack – Jack getting his licks in. Sawyer – no insurance. See, that’s the thing – there’s never any insurance that your efforts will pay off, that you’re doing the right thing, that you’re faith is correctly placed, that you won’t get hurt. Is it what it seems to be, or is it a mouse trap? Are you being baited, hooked like a fish? [/li][li]Do it for me. Do it for us. Didn’t do it for him. Doing things for others (like everyone helping Sawyer), as opposed to the absolute selfishness of Locke’s parents. Wow. Just so much stuff. LOVED IT! My favorite ep yet.[/quote] It was powerful. Great drama contrasted with a really cute side bar with Sawyer and friends... loved the glasses...loved Hurley's Harry Potter line, and Jack making Sawyer think he had an std....and Kate keeping them somewhat in line. and I'm all done thinking Locke is evil. I am giving up on that, poor baby.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:07:19 GMT -5
See - that was your first clue that Locke's dream was a dream - Boone was being way, way too ballsy. He wasn't ballsy in the dream though, he was ballsy for real...
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:08:32 GMT -5
Too. Perfect. And handy-man Sayid is right there to slap together the cutest little pair of eyeglasses that island has ever seen. I mean, we already knew he looked good in the sparkly cat's eye shades, but now - what a hunk! ;D did everyone notice one side of the glasses was black and the other side was white(silver)?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:11:09 GMT -5
Your brain is a wonderful and intriguing place to be. **wanders around in Spring's brain again, looking for Spike footprints and Sawyer fingerprints** I keep wondering what the Deus Ex Machina was, though. The island itself - giving and taking away? The plane - hanging from the cliff and then crashing down like a machine being lowered from the Gods? The general theme or thread of Locke's life? The "fate" (con - hmmmm, another con job) that brought him into his father's life in time for the transplant? Lola yes. that's it exactly.
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Post by makd on Mar 31, 2005 2:06:04 GMT -5
We're on the same page, Spring: for me, the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Mary statues were "twins" of a sort. Locke's mother lied about her little immaculate conception, and Locke was made a dope out of by her - and his scheming father. Similarly, the Virgin Mary statues were full of dope. Both were shown to be phony. Poor Locke - he can't trust those sacred family images. Locke abandoning his "son", Boone - just as his father abandoned him. (And don't forget, his father had already abandoned him by not claiming him as his son after he was born.) this episode was all about mirrors, reflections, and repitions, and how we keep repeating the same patterns of behavior and betrayal. One of the oldest metaphors of the middle ages was that of the mousetrap. God designed, it said, a mousetrap to catch the devil. His mousetrap? was Mary, who conquered the devil by being the Immaculate Conception. After Mary? Jesus was a carpenter - who built a better mousetrap by which he taught his followers to "trap the devil" through becoming Christians. And what was Locke teaching the little boy? All about the mousetrap. And what was lock designing and building with the trebouchet? A device that looked a lot like the complex toy mousetrap. Locke? a carpenter ---- Crap --- kinda obvious that Locke is the Christ-figure, no? Okay; I'm probably bringing way too much to the table here.
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Post by makd on Mar 31, 2005 2:16:03 GMT -5
and (I'm clearly on a roll, here.), the father reminds the son that he has a choice in making his sacrifice, but of course, the son is willing to make the sacrifice?
why the kidney? the kidneys remove impurities - they keep the body "pure". So, of course it's a kidney...
Whoa...and the deus ex machina? One theory is that Locke is the deus ex machina who provides the solution for his father's kidney.
Another is that his father is the "god" - and he says he is - who provides Locke with the plot twist that eventually leads him to Australia and the island.
finally, there's the pun: the god in the machine --- who's the god in the plane: the statues of the Virgin or the heroin inside them? Drug addicts sometimes refer, slangily, to heroin as "god".
so much, so much in this episode! It's my favorite episode thus far.
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Post by makd on Mar 31, 2005 3:15:01 GMT -5
Can't sleep and still on a Lost roll: The mousetrap intrigues me: I remember more about the Christian mousetrap --- Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was the devil's mousetrap, too. and Jesus was a carpenter who probably earned a hefty drachma - or whatever coin they used - building crosses. Locke was trapped in the mousetrap his father and mother built for him. ooh, ooh, and there's more: (I really need these periodic bouts of insomnia.. or maybe not. ) I just remember Karl Marx - who said that religion was an opiate for the masses - and, back to mirrors: the statues of Mary with the opiate tucked into each statue. Which means that the religion was literally providing an opiate for the masses. (Or, in this case, the Masses...) The Nigerian priest really wasn't a priest. That was cover for the drug-running. So, there's another betrayal - another cover of religion not being real,but actually being a betrayal. And, now there's another person who's killed someone -- Boone --- I'm thinking more and more that the Island is literally hell... and, I promise this is my last posting on this episode: No man is an island, entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. -- John Donne HMOG, but I loved this episode! I think the last episode I found this rich, this amazing was AtS' Soul Purpose - and this was richer!
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Post by Pixi on Mar 31, 2005 7:48:12 GMT -5
did everyone notice one side of the glasses was black and the other side was white(silver)? Yes I did. Fascinating wasn't it?
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Post by Pixi on Mar 31, 2005 7:51:48 GMT -5
Can't sleep and still on a Lost roll: The mousetrap intrigues me: I remember more about the Christian mousetrap --- Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was the devil's mousetrap, too. and Jesus was a carpenter who probably earned a hefty drachma - or whatever coin they used - building crosses. Locke was trapped in the mousetrap his father and mother built for him. ooh, ooh, and there's more: (I really need these periodic bouts of insomnia.. or maybe not. ) I just remember Karl Marx - who said that religion was an opiate for the masses - and, back to mirrors: the statues of Mary with the opiate tucked into each statue. Which means that the religion was literally providing an opiate for the masses. (Or, in this case, the Masses...) The Nigerian priest really wasn't a priest. That was cover for the drug-running. So, there's another betrayal - another cover of religion not being real,but actually being a betrayal. And, now there's another person who's killed someone -- Boone --- I'm thinking more and more that the Island is literally hell... and, I promise this is my last posting on this episode: No man is an island, entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. -- John Donne HMOG, but I loved this episode! I think the last episode I found this rich, this amazing was AtS' Soul Purpose - and this was richer! I love that quote. Okay you and Spring - wonderful, wonderful analysis. I have literally nothing to add. Great episode - great analysis - simply a great night as Alias was in top form and the new show Eyes - very intriguing. Thanks for posting all of this - I really enjoyed reading it. Jack/Kate/Sawyer - loved that whole little sideplot. Just perfect. Hurley - Harry Potter - hee, hee!
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Post by Pixi on Mar 31, 2005 10:12:46 GMT -5
Has this been mentioned yet?
"Where do you find footballs?
Aisle 8 for regular, 15 for Nerf."
815. I so didn't see that when I was watching.
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