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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 10:28:49 GMT -5
That's what I'm sayin'! That just has, well, a lot of possible interpretations, doesn't it? I was wondering that - "good" for what, precisely? Well, yes. That can be interpreted a few different ways. Good as in not bad. Good as in useful. (And that begs the question, useful to who.) Good as in stable, staying status quo. Etc. etc.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 10:29:18 GMT -5
I was wondering that - "good" for what, precisely? Tastiness of their brainsssssss? Linda, but Hawaii's still pretty ;D
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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 10:30:03 GMT -5
Not exactly one of the most exciting eps we've ever seen. And what was up with that "extra" five minutes, in which we learned exactly nothing new? All part of the network master plans to screw over people who tape or DVR. IMHO. ;D
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Post by Rob on Nov 17, 2005 10:55:07 GMT -5
Ana-Lucia on the opposite side of Sayid in the Gulf War.
That would be perfect.
Other than that, I have no thoughts to offer other than this: I loved this episode. The alternative castaways' situation has been almost unrelentingly bleak, as opposed to our heroes (if one can call them that). The Tail-enders really could have used a Hurley...though Ana would've probably been dismissive and mean during stressful situations, rather than utilize his gifts for maintaining morale.
She really needs to work on that.
Maybe she's a Slayer.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 17, 2005 10:58:40 GMT -5
And what was up with that "extra" five minutes, in which we learned exactly nothing new? All part of the network master plans to screw over people who tape or DVR. IMHO. ;D In all fairness, ABC spent the entire week announcing "A! Special! Extended! Lost!", so we should have been sufficiently warned. Not that you would've missed much... What's really annoying, to me, is the "special scenes" that supposedly run on the next morning's Good Morning America. What are they, bloopers? If it's important to the show, it should be in the show. If it isn't, who cares?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 17, 2005 11:00:17 GMT -5
Ana-Lucia on the opposite side of Sayid in the Gulf War. That would be perfect. Other than that, I have no thoughts to offer other than this: I loved this episode. The alternative castaways' situation has been almost unrelentingly bleak, as opposed to our heroes (if one can call them that). The Tail-enders really could have used a Hurley...though Ana would've probably been dismissive and mean during stressful situations, rather than utilize his gifts for maintaining morale. She really needs to work on that. Maybe she's a Slayer. Yes, I was thinking that, except for the no-women-in-combat part. She could be National Guard, though. She's certainly got the stones for it. I hadn't thought "Slayer", but Ana Lucia reminds me of Faith, now that I think about it. Good point, Mr. Sorenson. My brain is in a weird and un-useful place this morning.
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Post by Karen on Nov 17, 2005 11:37:40 GMT -5
I've stopped looking for answers. It makes me happier. ;D Words to live by. Or else much #hairpull# and #crazy# and #headbang#
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 17, 2005 13:53:15 GMT -5
I've stopped looking for answers. It makes me happier. ;D Words to live by. Or else much and and I must be part cat. I must know the answers!
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 18, 2005 2:29:57 GMT -5
Ana-Lucia on the opposite side of Sayid in the Gulf War. That would be perfect. Other than that, I have no thoughts to offer other than this: I loved this episode. The alternative castaways' situation has been almost unrelentingly bleak, as opposed to our heroes (if one can call them that). The Tail-enders really could have used a Hurley...though Ana would've probably been dismissive and mean during stressful situations, rather than utilize his gifts for maintaining morale. She really needs to work on that. Maybe she's a Slayer. Good idea Rob - I think Ana-Lucia's a Slayer too.
I'd vote for her to also be a cop.
Ana-Lucia and Eko make a great team - and I could see them being romantic much easier than Ana and Jack; who, I repeat, she would eat alive. Or Ana and Sawyer. (sorry, I've never liked Kate and Sawyer; but then, I don't much like Kate)
I liked this episode. I actually felt sorry for Ana, who not out of her depth but is seriously overwhelmed. And I feel even more sorry for her when she has to face The Wrath of Sayid.
They had better show us the reunion of Bernard and Rose - or I'll be sorely vexed indeed. Not to mention perhaps a Sun-Jin reconciliation?
But who's gonna look after Vincent now ?
GAIL
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Post by Rob on Nov 18, 2005 13:32:21 GMT -5
Good idea Rob - I think Ana-Lucia's a Slayer too.
I'd vote for her to also be a cop.
Ana-Lucia and Eko make a great team - and I could see them being romantic much easier than Ana and Jack; who, I repeat, she would eat alive. Or Ana and Sawyer. (sorry, I've never liked Kate and Sawyer; but then, I don't much like Kate)
I liked this episode. I actually felt sorry for Ana, who not out of her depth but is seriously overwhelmed. And I feel even more sorry for her when she has to face The Wrath of Sayid.
They had better show us the reunion of Bernard and Rose - or I'll be sorely vexed indeed. Not to mention perhaps a Sun-Jin reconciliation?
But who's gonna look after Vincent now ?
GAIL
They'll pay off the Rose/Bernard reunion. Next week, most likely. I like Kate/Sawyer. It's a much more sensible match than Kate/Jack (OR Jack/Sawyer, for you slash freaks out there ). They recognize moral ambiguity in one another. I see a Kate/Sawyer/Ana triangle on the horizon at some point. There was definite sparkage there. Finally, no need to worry about Vincent. I'd be amazed if Michael didn't take on that responsibility...but if he wouldn't, Sayid would. Vincent has become the representative of comfort from grief.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 21, 2005 21:30:09 GMT -5
Sara--your review is just brilliant!! Favorite parts: That, to me, sums up the difference wonderfully--thanks for pointing this out. I really was fascinated to see how and why Ana became the cold and hard person that she now is--as you say, it's completely understandable after what we've been shown. And it makes me like her even more. I can't wait to find out what it is she does for a living, and I'm very interested to see how she is going to interact with the Fronties, especially given what's happened with Shannon. Also, I found your thoughts about Eko intriguing. I really like his character so far, but I hadn't given much thought to his profession because I've been so focused on Ana. Nice catch about the 40 days thing. I was thinking the same thing. Hmmm. Prezzactamundo, baby! I'm loving every minute of it. This really and truly was a wonderful review, Sara. You did a fantastic job with it!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 22, 2005 8:13:50 GMT -5
First, I loved your review so much that I’m going to watch the show this week, after feeling so discouraged by this episode (and some other things) that I was going to give the show up entirely.
So - nice work, Sara. I really like the listing of “how the Tailies had it worse,” and the observation on Ana-Lucia’s hair.
Also: She also was able to hide her doubts about Goodwin from everyone, including him, to the point where one has to wonder how much of her behavior towards Nathan was actually intended to mask the true target of her suspicions when it came to the spy in their midst. I wondered this exact same thing – if she was using Nathan as a technique to flush out Goodwin. Of course, this cost Nathan his life, so whether she really suspected him or not, she’s got to feel the burden of that.
Now Shannon is added to the list of innocent victims, as you point out. I am guessing gnawing, internal self-doubt will be the order of the day.
I like Libby – I’m thinking she’s for real as is. I would like to see a romance for her, maybe with Michael.
So true about the “visions” being confined to the Fronties. I wonder if that has to do with Walt and/or Hurley. They seem to be catalysts of sorts, for strange happenings.
What do The Others mean by “good?” Well, I liked Linda’s idea that it meant “tasty,” but will concede this is probably not the real answer. Maybe they are a religious cult of some kind?
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to get into this show the way I did BtVS or the way I am getting interested in Veronica Mars. But you’ve made it feel fun again! Thank you, Sara.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 22, 2005 9:42:54 GMT -5
And what was up with that "extra" five minutes, in which we learned exactly nothing new? All part of the network master plans to screw over people who tape or DVR. IMHO. ;D My Replay TV adjusted accordingly. #tongue#
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Post by Lola m on Nov 22, 2005 21:29:57 GMT -5
All part of the network master plans to screw over people who tape or DVR. IMHO. ;D My Replay TV adjusted accordingly. #nanana#
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Post by Lola m on Nov 22, 2005 22:25:06 GMT -5
Fab job analyzing this episode, Sara! Like others before me, I truly love your description of how the Tailies have been challenged to physically survive far more than the Fronties. (Love the name for "our guys", by the way. ) But I especially love how you point us to the real heart of the story - the transformation of Ana L (and, by association, the rest of the tailies). The points you make in comparing her journey to Jack's; the importance of Goodwin's betrayal in the whole dynamic of the team; how Ana L's likely feelings of responsibility for Nathan's death (and Goodwin's) may impact how she reacts to shooting Shannon. All masterfully laid out as logical steps on the path to understanding the importance of this ep. And to understanding (or starting to understand) Ana Lucia. When I think about the different experiences of the the two groups and put this together with the Dharma project, I keep getting these vague thoughts to add to the idea of the island as one big experiment. The fronties as the "psychological" side of the experiment; the tailies as the "physical" side? Or both being tested psychologically? One side through visions and dreams and odd manifestations like the big roaring monster. One side through the constant stress and mental torment of being constantly threatened and on guard. And the Others are the "physical" experiment - altered by disease or mutation into . . . something else? The next step up from sharks and polar bears? Oh, all the possible story lines! ;D I love love love your speculations about Eko! I hadn't thought of him being in some way an actual spiritual leader of some kind. I'd been comparing him to Locke for that aspect of him, so I don't know why not - but your reasoning makes so much sense!! And the things you mentioned about the significance of 40 days really really fit with something that a RL friend who is a Lost fan just emailed to me today. She was talking about some of the things her husband brought up (he is a Palestinian man who is Greek Orthodox). 40 days is the length of time for formal mourning in several faiths and also sets the date that a newborn is first "presented" to people outside the immediate family. Finally, I really liked your comparison of the storytelling style to that of a book. A good, long, complex and meandering novel. Something that I really love. ;D Brava, Sara! This was a marvelous piece of writing!
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