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Post by Karen on Nov 23, 2005 23:23:59 GMT -5
Why pathetic? I was totally in tears there at the end. {{Lola}} It was just so . . . I mean, all the happy reunions on the beach and then you see Jack's looking ahead and you know it's not good and then Sayid. He just looked so haunted. I have a little hope that Ana Lucia and Jack will help each other. They both seemed so Lost.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 0:27:28 GMT -5
Listen to your partner, A.L. All he needs is for you to ID him. Why aren't you IDing him? Are you repressing? Do you want to get him yourself? Crap. And Shannon's just lying there still. And Mr. Eko has to be the one to first tell someone from the fronties what happened to Shannon. And has to face the choice of what to do now. How to explain all the mess they are now in. Awwwww. Sweet tender nurse lovin' from Kate. Well, for sure he's gonna get better now. And Jack can feel all jealous and kicking himself that he couldn't get him to take the pill. ( Of course my mind goes to the slashy Jack/Sawyer place. ) Bernard is the conscience of the tailies, like Rose is for the fronties. Oh, Sayid is soooo telling them it's ok to go because he knows Ana L. Knows her like no one else, yup. I was very disappointed that we didn't get to see Jack and Sawyer in the shower together. ;D
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Post by Rachael on Nov 24, 2005 0:27:48 GMT -5
Gee, the more I see of Ana Lucia (past or present), the more I wish someone'd put a bullet through her head.
Okay, I might be going a bit overboard there. But...I really dislike her. It's not what she's been through on the island - she came this way.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 0:34:12 GMT -5
Awwww! Sawyer and nurse!Kate. K. I. S. S. I. N. G. "You're home", followed by Michael's tender reunion with the doggie, followed by Jin and the gang coming out of the jungle. Sun!! Bernard and Rose!!!!!!!! I'm actually a little teary. I mean, Rose and Bernard. And Sun and Jin! Sayid carrying Shannon . . . his face, oh my . . . . OK I really am bawling now. How pathetic is this?Good lord, I loved this episode! Absolutely loved it. I had many "squee!" moments, the biggest being when Eko and Locke met--it gave me chills. Poor Sayid! Poor Ana Lucia! And the Sawyer/Kate/Jack action!! ;D And Bernard and Rose!! And new ep next week!!
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 0:37:49 GMT -5
It was just so . . . I mean, all the happy reunions on the beach and then you see Jack's looking ahead and you know it's not good and then Sayid. He just looked so haunted. I have a little hope that Ana Lucia and Jack will help each other. They both seemed so Lost. #metoo# That last shot of them almost broke my heart.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 24, 2005 0:54:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought Libby's comment was... I dunno. I'm not saying I approve of how Ana's behaving, but I think Libby hit a little below the belt with that one. See, I didn't. She was presenting her opinion, and the evidence she had to back it up. Worse, though, is her serious impulse control problem. Yes, I know, I'm coming off as the unsympathetic hardass. Well, yeah, on some level, I am. I understand and feel for the lost baby. I would have had the impulse to commit murder myself. I wouldn't have done it, though. Partly because I'm not entrusted by my society with a gun and the training to use it - meaning that Ana Lucia should be (IMO) better at controlling her impulses, or she shouldn't be a cop. And I just can't forgive the cold-blooded murder. No matter the provocation. Not this week. Give her a few months to stop acting like a total paranoid raving loony, and we'll talk.
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Post by Rob on Nov 24, 2005 2:45:40 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. It take a lot of guts to write a character with such few genuinely likable qualities. Even if a person could grow to understand Ana-Lucia, that doesn't make her any easier to be around. Not for a good long while, at least.
Oh, and before I forget? Evangeline Lilly has a lovely swing. She's either played a good deal of golf over the last couple of years or she's just one of those natural athletes who can look legit doing anything.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 24, 2005 9:41:11 GMT -5
I'm amazed. After all those running-in-place, show-the-same-scene-from-five-different-viewpoints episodes, things actually happened. Must be sweeps month. Okay, so I was right (I think we all were), Ana Lucia is/was in law enforcement. I'm not convinced that the LAPD would allow her to work for her mother, though. Maybe in a small rural sheriff's office, but the LAPD? Was the flashback scene where AL shot the guy real, or her fantasy, because if she really did shoot someone in cold blood, why the Knox isn't she locked up? Someone commented on Sun's staying put when Jin showed up on the beach - I think she was afraid to make the first move, because she feared being rejected again. Nice sniffly reunion scene there. Poor Sayid.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 24, 2005 11:20:42 GMT -5
I'm amazed. After all those running-in-place, show-the-same-scene-from-five-different-viewpoints episodes, things actually happened. Must be sweeps month. Okay, so I was right (I think we all were), Ana Lucia is/was in law enforcement. I'm not convinced that the LAPD would allow her to work for her mother, though. Maybe in a small rural sheriff's office, but the LAPD? Was the flashback scene where AL shot the guy real, or her fantasy, because if she really did shoot someone in cold blood, why the Knox isn't she locked up? Someone commented on Sun's staying put when Jin showed up on the beach - I think she was afraid to make the first move, because she feared being rejected again. Nice sniffly reunion scene there. Poor Sayid. I think it was real, and I think she got cashiered for it, if she was caught: most likely a grand jury would sympathize with her and indict on "manslaughter" charges, after hearing about the loss of her baby. And that makes a lot of sense, thanks, Anne.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 12:42:30 GMT -5
I'm amazed. After all those running-in-place, show-the-same-scene-from-five-different-viewpoints episodes, things actually happened. Must be sweeps month. Okay, so I was right (I think we all were), Ana Lucia is/was in law enforcement. I'm not convinced that the LAPD would allow her to work for her mother, though. Maybe in a small rural sheriff's office, but the LAPD? Was the flashback scene where AL shot the guy real, or her fantasy, because if she really did shoot someone in cold blood, why the Knox isn't she locked up? Someone commented on Sun's staying put when Jin showed up on the beach - I think she was afraid to make the first move, because she feared being rejected again. Nice sniffly reunion scene there. Poor Sayid. I think it was real, and I think she got cashiered for it, if she was caught: most likely a grand jury would sympathize with her and indict on "manslaughter" charges, after hearing about the loss of her baby. And that makes a lot of sense, thanks, Anne.That does make a lot of sense. I really want to rewatch this episode.
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Post by William the Bloody on Nov 24, 2005 13:28:00 GMT -5
<snip> Was the flashback scene where AL shot the guy real, or her fantasy, because if she really did shoot someone in cold blood, why the Knox isn't she locked up? <snip> She would have to be caught to be locked up! A criminal shot down in the street outside a seedy bar? Who is going to look hard into that murder? He probably had other enemies that may have been suspected as well. Ana being a cop, I am sure she could easily enough get her hands on an untraceable gun. And she knows how to dispose of it. Hell, even the link between her and the guy she shot would be tenuous. She said it wasnt him when called to identify. So he was released and would only be a footnote in another case file . Why would htey come looking for her? No, I believe she could and probably did completely get away with it. As far as her own conscience? That's another story. But to be honest, I can't say that I wouldn't or at least couldn't do the same thing in her place. I know the man's guilty.. for sure? I know he is a remorseless (attempted) killer... I could pull the trigger. And that's without even being pregnant and losing that life. However, to join Rachael, perhaps not with her vehemance, but I don't liek Ana either. She is unlikeable and un-appealing to me. There is no spark there . She could be compared very much to Sawyer actually, but with Sawyer, you have a certain inherant warmth beneath his calloused exterior.. he is good inside and life has made him rude and self-serving. All I can see in Ana is a core of stodgy realism. Vlad
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 16:13:52 GMT -5
<snip> Was the flashback scene where AL shot the guy real, or her fantasy, because if she really did shoot someone in cold blood, why the Knox isn't she locked up? <snip> She would have to be caught to be locked up! A criminal shot down in the street outside a seedy bar? Who is going to look hard into that murder? He probably had other enemies that may have been suspected as well. Ana being a cop, I am sure she could easily enough get her hands on an untraceable gun. And she knows how to dispose of it. Hell, even the link between her and the guy she shot would be tenuous. She said it wasnt him when called to identify. So he was released and would only be a footnote in another case file . Why would htey come looking for her? No, I believe she could and probably did completely get away with it. As far as her own conscience? That's another story. But to be honest, I can't say that I wouldn't or at least couldn't do the same thing in her place. I know the man's guilty.. for sure? I know he is a remorseless (attempted) killer... I could pull the trigger. And that's without even being pregnant and losing that life. However, to join Rachael, perhaps not with her vehemance, but I don't liek Ana either. She is unlikeable and un-appealing to me. There is no spark there . She could be compared very much to Sawyer actually, but with Sawyer, you have a certain inherant warmth beneath his calloused exterior.. he is good inside and life has made him rude and self-serving. All I can see in Ana is a core of stodgy realism. Vlad See, okay . . . I like Ana Lucia a lot, actually. I was excited to get some of her backstory. And watching her fall apart and become unglued was riveting, IMO. I need to sit down and give serious thought about why I like her character so much. It's interesting to see that so many viewers either love her or hate her--not many fall in between. Hmmm. I know that one reason I like her so much is that I've always loved that actress. I would have no problem "switching teams" for Michelle Rodriguez. ;D But that's not the only reason I like Ana Lucia. I can be shallow, but not that shallow.
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Post by Sara on Nov 24, 2005 18:45:29 GMT -5
She would have to be caught to be locked up! A criminal shot down in the street outside a seedy bar? Who is going to look hard into that murder? He probably had other enemies that may have been suspected as well. Ana being a cop, I am sure she could easily enough get her hands on an untraceable gun. And she knows how to dispose of it. Hell, even the link between her and the guy she shot would be tenuous. She said it wasnt him when called to identify. So he was released and would only be a footnote in another case file . Why would htey come looking for her? No, I believe she could and probably did completely get away with it. As far as her own conscience? That's another story. But to be honest, I can't say that I wouldn't or at least couldn't do the same thing in her place. I know the man's guilty.. for sure? I know he is a remorseless (attempted) killer... I could pull the trigger. And that's without even being pregnant and losing that life. However, to join Rachael, perhaps not with her vehemance, but I don't liek Ana either. She is unlikeable and un-appealing to me. There is no spark there . She could be compared very much to Sawyer actually, but with Sawyer, you have a certain inherant warmth beneath his calloused exterior.. he is good inside and life has made him rude and self-serving. All I can see in Ana is a core of stodgy realism. Vlad It's funny, 'cause I see a lot more warmth in Ana Lucia than I ever have in Sawyer (except perhaps in his last conversation with Jack, when he let Jack know his dad had been proud of him). Hell, I thought she and Jack set off more sparks in a five-minute conversation than Kate and Jack did all of last season. I mean, consider Sawyer's history on the island--he hoarded supplies, some of which were kind of important. He let Jack and Sayid continue to believe he had Shannon's inhaler out of some whacked-out self-destructive impulse--if he'd at least tried to convince them he didn't have the medicine, there's a chance (albeit most likely a small one) that Jack, at the very least, might have started trying to investigate other options (and what if the time Jack and Sayid wasted on Sawyer ended up costing Shannon her life?). Sawyer intentionally kept the news that Jack was trapped in a cave-in from Kate, solely because he was jealous. Save giving Hurley the passenger manifest, I'm hard-pressed to think of a time when Sawyer did something for another castaway that didn't ultimately benefit himself. Then there's the other interesting commonality Sawyer and Anna share--they've both shot someone in cold blood. However, in Sawyer's case the man he intended to shoot was someone who had not, in fact, done him any physical harm; the original Sawyer essentially set a chain of events into motion--and I'm thinking that if our Sawyer's dad was unstable enough to commit murder/suicide in the first place, then if the thing with Sawyer One hadn't happened some other misstep on the mother's part would still have eventually triggered that same reaction. Worse, Sawyer didn't even kill the man he intended to, but someone who had never done Sawyer any ill at all. Ana Lucia's victim? He used her moment of hesitation and idealism (she was, after all, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) to shoot her four times with bullets designed to inflict the most damage possible in a person's flesh. He took the life of an innocent living being, albeit unknowingly. And, as lesser injuries go, I'd wager losing the baby also cost Ana Lucia her relationship with the baby's father. Unlike with Sawyer, Ana knew indisputably that she had the right guy--a guy who'd grievously injured her on just about every level. Personally, I think finding out about the circumstances of Ana's shooting casts every single one of her actions on the island--particularly her treatment of Nathan--in an entirely new light. Back in the real world she let her guard down, gave someone the benefit of the doubt, and it cost her baby its life. Then, when her guard was down again, someone else's kids were stolen right out from under her nose. So there was no way on God's green earth she was going to let her "weakness," cause I'm betting that's what she thinks of it as, cost any more innocent lives--and became the person we now know.
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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 24, 2005 19:02:31 GMT -5
She would have to be caught to be locked up! A criminal shot down in the street outside a seedy bar? Who is going to look hard into that murder? He probably had other enemies that may have been suspected as well. Ana being a cop, I am sure she could easily enough get her hands on an untraceable gun. And she knows how to dispose of it. Hell, even the link between her and the guy she shot would be tenuous. She said it wasnt him when called to identify. So he was released and would only be a footnote in another case file . Why would htey come looking for her? No, I believe she could and probably did completely get away with it. As far as her own conscience? That's another story. But to be honest, I can't say that I wouldn't or at least couldn't do the same thing in her place. I know the man's guilty.. for sure? I know he is a remorseless (attempted) killer... I could pull the trigger. And that's without even being pregnant and losing that life. However, to join Rachael, perhaps not with her vehemance, but I don't liek Ana either. She is unlikeable and un-appealing to me. There is no spark there . She could be compared very much to Sawyer actually, but with Sawyer, you have a certain inherant warmth beneath his calloused exterior.. he is good inside and life has made him rude and self-serving. All I can see in Ana is a core of stodgy realism. Vlad It's funny, 'cause I see a lot more warmth in Ana Lucia than I ever have in Sawyer (except perhaps in his last conversation with Jack, when he let Jack know his dad had been proud of him). Hell, I thought she and Jack set off more sparks in a five-minute conversation than Kate and Jack did all of last season. I mean, consider Sawyer's history on the island--he hoarded supplies, some of which were kind of important. He let Jack and Sayid continue to believe he had Shannon's inhaler out of some whacked-out self-destructive impulse--if he'd at least tried to convince them he didn't have the medicine, there's a chance (albeit most likely a small one) that Jack, at the very least, might have started trying to investigate other options (and what if the time Jack and Sayid wasted on Sawyer ended up costing Shannon her life?). Sawyer intentionally kept the news that Jack was trapped in a cave-in from Kate, solely because he was jealous. Save giving Hurley the passenger manifest, I'm hard-pressed to think of a time when Sawyer did something for another castaway that didn't ultimately benefit himself. Then there's the other interesting commonality Sawyer and Anna share--they've both shot someone in cold blood. However, in Sawyer's case the man he intended to shoot was someone who had not, in fact, done him any physical harm; the original Sawyer essentially set a chain of events into motion--and I'm thinking that if our Sawyer's dad was unstable enough to commit murder/suicide in the first place, then if the thing with Sawyer One hadn't happened some other misstep on the mother's part would still have eventually triggered that same reaction. Worse, Sawyer didn't even kill the man he intended to, but someone who had never done Sawyer any ill at all. Ana Lucia's victim? He used her moment of hesitation and idealism (she was, after all, willing to give him the benefit of the doubt) to shoot her four times with bullets designed to inflict the most damage possible in a person's flesh. He took the life of an innocent living being, albeit unknowingly. And, as lesser injuries go, I'd wager losing the baby also cost Ana Lucia her relationship with the baby's father. Unlike with Sawyer, Ana knew indisputably that she had the right guy--a guy who'd grievously injured her on just about every level. Personally, I think finding out about the circumstances of Ana's shooting casts every single one of her actions on the island--particularly her treatment of Nathan--in an entirely new light. Back in the real world she let her guard down, gave someone the benefit of the doubt, and it cost her baby its life. Then, when her guard was down again, someone else's kids were stolen right out from under her nose. So there was no way on God's green earth she was going to let her "weakness," cause I'm betting that's what she thinks of it as, cost any more innocent lives--and became the person we now know. Um, yeah. That, up there? That's why I am so intrigued by Ana Lucia. Thank you for voicing what my muddled brain could not express, Sara.
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Post by Sara on Nov 24, 2005 19:05:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought Libby's comment was... I dunno. I'm not saying I approve of how Ana's behaving, but I think Libby hit a little below the belt with that one. See, I didn't. She was presenting her opinion, and the evidence she had to back it up. Worse, though, is her serious impulse control problem. Yes, I know, I'm coming off as the unsympathetic hardass. Well, yeah, on some level, I am. I understand and feel for the lost baby. I would have had the impulse to commit murder myself. I wouldn't have done it, though. Partly because I'm not entrusted by my society with a gun and the training to use it - meaning that Ana Lucia should be (IMO) better at controlling her impulses, or she shouldn't be a cop. And I just can't forgive the cold-blooded murder. No matter the provocation. Not this week. Give her a few months to stop acting like a total paranoid raving loony, and we'll talk. Dude--didn't we have almost this exact same issue come up on the Alias thread? And as I recall, you were willing to forgive Sloane for just about anything he did on Nadia's behalf--including the cold-blooded murder we watched him commit. Granted, Gordon Dean was a helluva lot worse a human being than the punk Ana killed. And nothing Ana does will ever bring her baby back, while Sloane's crime could very well end up saving his daughter's life. But then again, Sloane has also done unspeakable things for much less noble reasons; hell, he had Dixon's wife killed in retribution for Dixon having accidentally shot Sloane's wife--kinda like Ana killed the punk for having accidentally shot her baby. There's no way Ana should have been cleared for duty--I think that much is obvious. And the way she insisted that her assailant was not the man in the lineup tells us she clearly planned to kill him the moment she saw him again. Yet I also think Ana really does feel dead inside, and that she hates herself for what she's done--both on the island and off. But, obviously, I'm with Monnie in liking and having empathy for the character. Just another one of those YMMV times.
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