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Post by Lola m on Feb 15, 2006 22:52:01 GMT -5
;D And that oh so casual tone to his voice, all "I don't care, so there!" Yeah, but underneath it all.... he cares. He sounded just like he did when he confronted his father for STEALING HIS KIDNEY. Jack - he really didn't care if they all blew up, did he? A little more frantic than Xander/Jack in the boiler room, but still... that air of 'I like the quiet.' about him. (Yes, all of karen's roads lead back to Buffy) Ah, well. Good roads . . . ;D I like your comparisons, by the way.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 15, 2006 22:53:34 GMT -5
Very good thought, Matthew! Michael and Locke would be excellent choices, Karen. I wonder who will try to get Sawyer on their team? Hadn't put it together, that Sayid figured out Charlie's involvement. But it makes sense, because he's smart like that. Wonder what's going to happen to the people like Claire and Aaron, and Rose and Bernard, who I tink are going to be reluctant to take sides. I would hope they could bring an alternative perspective, some balance and maybe calm? But I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 15, 2006 22:57:02 GMT -5
So. BIG continuity question. Sawyer has just pissed off all forty-odd people who are left, completely and totally. There is one other person with a rifle present, in Sayid. Where the hell was Sawyer's rifle du jour in this? I know he's got plenty more back inna jungle, but I find it completely and totally uncredible that he would leave one in his shack, untended, thinking it was inviolate. That HE was inviolate. He would not leave it behind, because the ONLY person he trusts is himself. I thought it was incredible that he could sleep. I think he stashed the other gun as well. Doesn't wash, to me: I can't see him trusting those around him: to Sawyer, everyone is an "other." I don't see him letting the gun out of his sight, because tough as he is, and as immune to torture as he is from his self-hatred, he's not immune to all of the others grabbing him and shoving him into a cage or a pit when he's not armed with a rifle. The only thing I can think is that he's got a nine on him, but... what has he done with the rifle? Guns change the balance of power so much. Hell, maybe he left it behind without any ammo, or something. *shakes head, baffled, decides to let it go* Eh. As I told my friend who had problems with Catwoman's suit coming from that one vinyl coat: "you just accepted, without a quibble, intercontinental ballistic missle-penguins, yet you have a problem with fudging a couple yards of fabric?!" ;D </mocks self>
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Post by Lola m on Feb 15, 2006 22:59:15 GMT -5
Is that one of them poisonous frogs or with the hallucinogenic skin? 'Cuz the skin was sorta bright colors. Ooops. Well, I guess it don't matter now it's squished. Jack's ma-ad! Rich balloon man. So, if he buried her in the jungle, they could go find the body and check the story. Um. I think Sayid is projecting a bit there. I think you really have to open the door Locke. Even if he is an Other, things are not going the way they should be. Oooh! Threaten Locke with the button! Tell me what I want, do what I want on both sides of the door! Jack is smarter than he looks . . . . sometimes. Oh, that's disappointing! Egyption symbols and then it goes back to the damn numbers. We almost had an SG1 crossover! Woah. That was kind of an "Other" look on his face, wasn't it? Um. Or, a WTF are you guys doing to me look, I guess. Almost had an SG-1 crossover - heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I personally would avoid touching any froggies I found on that island, unless I were with a trustworthy frog specialist; some frogs exude poison. That being said, Sawyer shows his nasty streak again in crushing the frog and giving it to Hurley with that tacky remark about tasting like chicken. Yup. Sawyers all about the try to charm you and then do something really mean. Jack really impressed me in this ep. Logical but caring. Understanding that some care needed to be taken in case this guy was dangerous, but not going along with the insanity. He talked to Charlie about how he knows the guy they have is a bad Other guy because he didn't feel any guilt about hurting him. And then he reminded Charlie about all the bad things the Others have done and asked him if he still remembered that they hung him up to die. Sayid basically said that Jack didn't understand about what he did but that Charlie would because of his experiences. Ooh! The photo was Kate? I didn't catch that! [/color][/quote] Good questions at the end there. I'm not sure!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 15, 2006 23:00:00 GMT -5
Very good thought, Matthew! Michael and Locke would be excellent choices, Karen. I wonder who will try to get Sawyer on their team?Kate and Claire? #smirk#
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 15, 2006 23:14:15 GMT -5
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! IT'S AN EVIL SLOT MACHINE! Exactly. Seems to suggest that "what happens when you don't push the button" isn't a given, but depends totally on chance - exactly like a slot machine. When you pull the arm, what happens depends on chance. Well, now, that's not too much different from getting on the freeway, is it? I was soooooo disappointed, but not surprised, that the button got pushed. They gotta stop pushing that button. Honestly, I'd rather be blown to smited smithereens, than keep pushing that button.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 15, 2006 23:25:11 GMT -5
Ah, Locke! You put your finger on it. "To Rousseau, we're all Others". A matter of perspective. **nods nods nods** Ah, betrayed by the American guy - who never needed a translator at all. He needed a torturer - the right torturer. Sayid telling / confessing to Charlie? I'm with you, Charlie - why are you telling him? I know because I feel no guilt? Um. Charlie hasn't forgotten. So Sayid is recruiting him for his army? And another hatch/bunker next week!!! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! ;D Sayid saying he knows the guy is an "Other" because he feels no guilt . . . to me, this is all about telling us that Sayid thinks that he's got a fully functioning moral compass, despite it all. Further, he doesn't think the connection between his consciousness and his conscience might be faulty from all the times he's had to disconnect it and reconnect it in order to be a torturer (we know he goes back to it). He doesn't think the connection might be experiencing any interference due to the overwhelming anger crackling inside, either. I'm not so sure he's right about all that, and I'm wondering if we'll learn that Henry Gale is telling the truth after all - leading us to conclude that Sayid's guilt-o-meter might need a bit of repair. Someone mentioned the Wizard of Oz and Henry Gale relating to that story. It was the Wizard himself who was in a balloon, right? And the Wizard, what we know about him was that he wasn't what he seemed - once you looked behind the curtain. This could go either way - it could suggest Henry is exactly the harmless Henry he claims to be, and not any great and powerful anything from anywhere that they have imagined he is; it could suggest that Henry is misrepresenting himself.
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Post by jeff on Feb 15, 2006 23:52:19 GMT -5
did anyone else notice that the previews said coming up on lost....not next week on lost....is next week a repeat or is it a new ep?
tonights ep was great...although to me sayid sort of gave up or hadnt got to the "torture" yet...all he did was beat the hell out of the guy.....maybe he didnt get to the "tool stage" before jack got to him. to me it just seemed like he was letting off a whole lot of anger over shannon! And nice connection to the Wiz of Oz...maybe he didnt think sayid would know the story that well...so It proves to me he is an other ...but now what do you do with him? If Jack isnt going to let Sayid torture him....now what ?
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Post by rich on Feb 15, 2006 23:57:20 GMT -5
Island is about things that are hidden. Lots of groups hidden from each other. Hidden bunkers. Hidden pasts of the inhabitants. Easy to hide who you are, because almost nobody else knew you from before. Good places to hide people, food, virgin mary heroin, guns. Oh, good one! Also, the island is good at coaxing out what is hidden. Bringing out the con-man in Sawyer, the torturer in Sayid, the poutyness/insecurity in Locke, the what would you call what is brought out in Jack - his superior sense of what is the right thing to do? They're all in an asylum working throught their issues. I keep thinking of that Hotlips line from M.A.S.H. This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum. And it's your fault!Hurley is still in the asylum. This is all happening in his mind.
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 15, 2006 23:58:25 GMT -5
I recognized Kate in the photo that the military guy was holding. ;D I'm so proud of myself because I don't usually notice little stuff like that my first time watching an ep. I assume the man was her father, since we saw her visit him in a military office at some point, didn't we? Also, did anyone notice that the Americian soldier who first captures Sayid is the actor who played the rebellious kid in "Weapons of Class Destruction" on VM? The one who was set up by the undercover agent--I'm almost positive that's the same actor.
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 16, 2006 0:02:17 GMT -5
Oh, good one! Also, the island is good at coaxing out what is hidden. Bringing out the con-man in Sawyer, the torturer in Sayid, the poutyness/insecurity in Locke, the what would you call what is brought out in Jack - his superior sense of what is the right thing to do? They're all in an asylum working throught their issues. I keep thinking of that Hotlips line from M.A.S.H. This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum. And it's your fault!Hurley is still in the asylum. This is all happening in his mind. AAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!!! #crazy# #hairpull# #crazy# ;D
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Post by rich on Feb 16, 2006 0:10:51 GMT -5
Hurley is still in the asylum. This is all happening in his mind. AAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!!! ;D Just kidding.
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 16, 2006 0:22:35 GMT -5
Okay, totally stating the obvious (especially with the brains on this board ) and rambling now. This episode has really gotten me thinking about having a talent that you're really good at--better than anyone else--but that truly disgusts and horrifies you. To know that you have it in you to torture and kill someone, and to do it well. And as much as it sickened Sayid before, he knew that the fact that it sickened him meant that there was goodness still in him, and that was something he could hold on to. But now . . . he used that talent to release some of his pain and torment over Shannon's death. He found some measure of comfort in it. Once he realizes that, what's it going to do to him? I know it's very likely that this guy really is one of the Others, but still . . . a part of Sayid was beating this man and torturing him for himself--there were aspects of this that had nothing to do with who this guy is. I can't even imagine the level self-loathing Sayid will be feeling once he fully realizes this. Or, I could be making no sense whatsoever. I just felt really sorry for Sayid throughout this ep. It was painful to watch. Also, I really didn't like it when Sawyer smushed the little froggie. I knew it was going to happen, but still . . . .
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2006 1:10:12 GMT -5
Okay, totally stating the obvious (especially with the brains on this board ) and rambling now. This episode has really gotten me thinking about having a talent that you're really good at--better than anyone else--but that truly disgusts and horrifies you. To know that you have it in you to torture and kill someone, and to do it well. And as much as it sickened Sayid before, he knew that the fact that it sickened him meant that there was goodness still in him, and that was something he could hold on to. But now . . . he used that talent to release some of his pain and torment over Shannon's death. He found some measure of comfort in it. Once he realizes that, what's it going to do to him? I know it's very likely that this guy really is one of the Others, but still . . . a part of Sayid was beating this man and torturing him for himself--there were aspects of this that had nothing to do with who this guy is. I can't even imagine the level self-loathing Sayid will be feeling once he fully realizes this. Or, I could be making no sense whatsoever. I just felt really sorry for Sayid throughout this ep. It was painful to watch. Also, I really didn't like it when Sawyer smushed the little froggie. I knew it was going to happen, but still . . . . Well, it was his conscience, niggling at him: he had to deal with it in a dramatic, permanent fashion. I kept expecting them never to find it, like it was a "tell-tale frog" or something. But then Hurley could hear it, too. Oooh! Maybe for guilt for hoarding the supplies!!! But where Hurley will face his conscience and his guilt, and work with it, Sawyer has to crush it. </symbolhunting>
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Post by jeff on Feb 16, 2006 1:34:19 GMT -5
been checking a couple of sites and the next new ep wont air until mar 1st in 2 weeks
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