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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 1, 2006 21:18:02 GMT -5
Creepy!!
Love Kate and Claire standing up to Rousseau.
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Post by rich on Mar 1, 2006 21:19:48 GMT -5
Nothing gets past Eko.
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Post by Sara on Mar 1, 2006 21:20:27 GMT -5
God, I love Google... enotes.com: At the heart of The Brothers Karamazov is a murder mystery surrounding the homicide of a family patriarch, Fyodor Karamazov, and the role of his sons in the crime. The book is also a novel of ideas: Fedor Dostoevsky debates the existence of God, the role of religion in modern societies, and the consequences of class differences on the individual.
On its publication in 1881 readers were shocked by the controversial nature of the novel, in particular the frank discussions of religion and class division. Today, The Brothers Karamazov is considered one of the greatest novels in world literature; moreover, Dostoyevsky is renowned as one of the preeminent figures in Russian literature, along with such authors as Nikolai Gogol, Leo Tolstoy, and Alexander Pushkin. His work has influenced many important writers and thinkers of the twentieth century, such as Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, and Sigmund Freud. Blackmask online: The Brothers Karamazov becomes more ironic and comedic with multiple readings and age, i.e. mine. It is also, for me, the novel of the Russian soul/landscape, the ungovernable, mystic and irrational. Traces of Rasputin can be gleaned in Fyodor Karamazov, the patriarch whose decadent life and death is the magnetic core of this masterpiece. Dostoevsky, in his last novel spares few but least of all the lesser landowners, moneylenders and petitbourgoise whose treachery and self-absorption is the essence of the drunken Karamazov. From 3 women, come the brothers and the bastard and it is within their various souls, the archetypal Russian nature and its conflict, comes the plot. In all, the span of the story is but 4 days.
Karamazov is the comedy as well as the nature of the murderous avenging of devils that lightens and lifts, to the degree that is possible in this notoriously dense read. In one scene glaring with "a broad, drunken half-witted leer." he manages to speak some of the author's tormented inner debates about religion, God and the progressive, radical elements that would choose violent change and destruction. Despite his tyranny to servants, children and women, Karamazov is a yellow bellied coward. Confronted by Dmitri, his son, Fyodor squeals and runs around the table, "He's going to hurt me, stop him stop him" grabbing desperately to another son's coattails.
Dostoyevsky's final work of the obsessions that consumed him as well as his age is no where more labrynthine than in his depiction of the Russian church. He indicts the overly powerful clergy of the Holy Mother Church of the Tsar-- while remaining fanatically Christian. He has contempt for the court system and the repressive penal codes, but a greater contempt for the radicals and assassins who assert that blood is the path to reform and the end of crime. Here, he enlarged on the theme of Crime and Punishment where destabilization and rampant appetites and excess were condemned. Karamazov is less a sermon or a catharsis for its delightful comedy, the burlesque of dreamers, rebels, the pious and the rogues who are part of the great folly, the foolishness and perhaps unredeemable condition of mankind. Dostoevsky was a Christian who could only love a suffering Christ- Ivan, his son intellectualizes religion yet it does nothing but infect his mind and bring nightmares, one of which is the famous chapter of "The Grand Inquisitor." There is an attack upon the deification of the uneducated Russian countrymen when after a verdict came through someone yelled, "Hooray, Trust our Russian peasants, Trust the peasants." Yet they had just convicted an innocent man.
Dostoeyvski speaks in the preface as author and creator, in particular in regard to his hero, tells us in the preface that the Aleksi, (Aloysha). The Christlike youngest brother is superior in thought alone, but in his action, he fails to inspire.
In no area is Dostoeyevski's own uncertainty more brilliantly depicted than in the question of the nature of the holy man on earth--the monks, the starets and the saintly. Fyodor insults the monks where Aloysha has gone to prepare for the priesthood. He shouts in a mad frenzy to the monks, "why shouldn't I act the fool? ....every single one of you is worse than me. That's why I'm a buffoon- a buffon of shame..Master (falling to knees) what must I do to earn eternal life?" Was he in jest?
It has been said that all the characters are insane, and then rebuffed with, we are just seeing them, in so much vivid light, but they are, like ourselves, just ordinary. This is an event, a necessary ingredient to any reading life.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 1, 2006 21:25:34 GMT -5
Claire has reason: they should work with her. DAMN. There ya go, for the nice addition to the Shirtless Boys. They forget that Eko is not an oblivious idiot. Woohoo! He found glasses!!! "Thelma" "Watch. Why?" Huh. decisions, decisions. 9 mil or a rifle? Um, Claire, why don't you ask someone there who's HAD children? Huh. The muzak sounds like the radio station they were listening to last week.. What;s the Dharma symbol on the wall there? Caduceus. I'll bet that blocked passage is what's on the other side of the blocked passage at the bunker. That or I'm on crack. AFTER YOU HANGED HIM, you FINGER-BREAKING PSYCHOTIC FREAK-MONKEY!!! Airplanes... "Catch a falling star" Huh.. WAAAAH other person! and she's gonna remember a crash. It's the guy from the boat/woods. from the voice.. the guy with the grizzled beard. But doesn't look like him, now.. (you know, the lack of a grizzled beard will do that). But I was listening to him, and he sounds like the guy that faced down Jack in the woods, and kidnapped Walt... They were gonna make a list of entrees from that side, too. Huh.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 1, 2006 21:25:37 GMT -5
Jack's out of his league here. He's a surgeon, not a pediatrician.
2 months.
I'd ask Sun for advice. She knows herbs and stuff.
Hmm... Libby.
Libby doesn't mention Goodwin. Suspicious.
Snarky Henry.
Would have loved it if Locke had given Henry Wizard of Oz.
What was the point of the Hemingway/Dostoevsky monologue?
We don't have a long term plan for the button, but we keep pushing it. Yeah, what about that?
Claire was on the flight to meet the family she was giving her baby too. Doesn't completely make sense though? Why couldn't the family come to her? Or wait till after she was born.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 1, 2006 21:25:45 GMT -5
What's with the whole Jack&Locke&Eko&BalloonMan scene? What am I not figuring out?
Oooooh! Kate vs. Rousseau!
No boys allowed in the jungle.
Rx-1. So, this is like, generic medicine? Do they also have Food and Drink in this bunker's fridge?
"Now because you've been such a good girl." Can I smack him now?
Yup. It's a Dharma bunker! With a fully decorated baby room!
Dang - how many babies have they raised here?
OK. That's just creepy. Little planes over the bed? Do they also break in half and fall burning onto the baby?
"What am I supposed to tell him?" OK, so there's a mysterious "Him" running that group of Others.
And they definitely look different than the Others that confronted Jack and crew in the jungle earlier or the Clan of the Teddy Bear Others.
These are like, the "in-charge Others".
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Post by Lola m on Mar 1, 2006 21:26:32 GMT -5
Rousseau thinks the baby is "sick", not just sick. Huh. So they injected Claire with something? And CFL knows about this because it happened to her and her baby? But what I find really suspicious is that it only takes one question from CFL to make Claire start to have flashbacks.Makes sense to me - if the CFL is somehow inducing the flashbacks. Yup. I'm really thinking she's involved somehow.
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Post by rich on Mar 1, 2006 21:26:40 GMT -5
Oh my God, the airplanes!.
First you make a list? For the ones who are "good" enough?
Ethan was cherry picking Claire?
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Post by Karen on Mar 1, 2006 21:27:50 GMT -5
Oh - there's a 'HIM'. And that guy with Ethan was the bearded 'Other'. Do you suppose the woman Claire keeps seeing is the CFL's "Alex"? "Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket...." Creepy - with a capital "C".
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Post by Lola m on Mar 1, 2006 21:28:21 GMT -5
Creepy!! Love Kate and Claire standing up to Rousseau. Kate was so good! Way to use those violent impulses for the good of the group! Kate is sooooo gonna be a "survivor" of the Island mind game competition thing.
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Post by Karen on Mar 1, 2006 21:29:04 GMT -5
Claire has reason: they should work with her. DAMN. There ya go, for the nice addition to the Shirtless Boys. They forget that Eko is not an oblivious idiot. Woohoo! He found glasses!!! "Thelma" "Watch. Why?" Huh. decisions, decisions. 9 mil or a rifle? Um, Claire, why don't you ask someone there who's HAD children? Huh. The muzak sounds like the radio station they were listening to last week.. What;s the Dharma symbol on the wall there? Caduceus. I'll bet that blocked passage is what's on the other side of the blocked passage at the bunker. That or I'm on crack. AFTER YOU HANGED HIM, you FINGER-BREAKING PSYCHOTIC FREAK-MONKEY!!! Airplanes... "Catch a falling star" Huh.. WAAAAH other person! and she's gonna remember a crash. It's the guy from the boat/woods. from the voice.. the guy with the grizzled beard. But doesn't look like him, now.. (you know, the lack of a grizzled beard will do that). But I was listening to him, and he sounds like the guy that faced down Jack in the woods, and kidnapped Walt... They were gonna make a list of entrees from that side, too. Huh. List of entrees? Yuck! Glad to see Sawyer found some glasses. They seem to make him more mellow. I didn't catch the name of the book he was reading.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 1, 2006 21:29:32 GMT -5
God, I love Google... enotes.com: At the heart of The Brothers Karamazov is a murder mystery surrounding the homicide of a family patriarch, Fyodor Karamazov, and the role of his sons in the crime. The book is also a novel of ideas: Fedor Dostoevsky debates the existence of God, the role of religion in modern societies, and the consequences of class differences on the individual.
On its publication in 1881 readers were shocked by the controversial nature of the novel, in particular the frank discussions of religion and class division. Today, The Brothers Karamazov is considered one of the greatest novels in world literature; moreover, Dostoyevsky is renowned as one of the preeminent figures in Russian literature, along with such authors as Nikolai Gogol, Leo Tolstoy, and Alexander Pushkin. His work has influenced many important writers and thinkers of the twentieth century, such as Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, and Sigmund Freud. Blackmask online: The Brothers Karamazov becomes more ironic and comedic with multiple readings and age, i.e. mine. It is also, for me, the novel of the Russian soul/landscape, the ungovernable, mystic and irrational. Traces of Rasputin can be gleaned in Fyodor Karamazov, the patriarch whose decadent life and death is the magnetic core of this masterpiece. Dostoevsky, in his last novel spares few but least of all the lesser landowners, moneylenders and petitbourgoise whose treachery and self-absorption is the essence of the drunken Karamazov. From 3 women, come the brothers and the bastard and it is within their various souls, the archetypal Russian nature and its conflict, comes the plot. In all, the span of the story is but 4 days.
Karamazov is the comedy as well as the nature of the murderous avenging of devils that lightens and lifts, to the degree that is possible in this notoriously dense read. In one scene glaring with "a broad, drunken half-witted leer." he manages to speak some of the author's tormented inner debates about religion, God and the progressive, radical elements that would choose violent change and destruction. Despite his tyranny to servants, children and women, Karamazov is a yellow bellied coward. Confronted by Dmitri, his son, Fyodor squeals and runs around the table, "He's going to hurt me, stop him stop him" grabbing desperately to another son's coattails.
Dostoyevsky's final work of the obsessions that consumed him as well as his age is no where more labrynthine than in his depiction of the Russian church. He indicts the overly powerful clergy of the Holy Mother Church of the Tsar-- while remaining fanatically Christian. He has contempt for the court system and the repressive penal codes, but a greater contempt for the radicals and assassins who assert that blood is the path to reform and the end of crime. Here, he enlarged on the theme of Crime and Punishment where destabilization and rampant appetites and excess were condemned. Karamazov is less a sermon or a catharsis for its delightful comedy, the burlesque of dreamers, rebels, the pious and the rogues who are part of the great folly, the foolishness and perhaps unredeemable condition of mankind. Dostoevsky was a Christian who could only love a suffering Christ- Ivan, his son intellectualizes religion yet it does nothing but infect his mind and bring nightmares, one of which is the famous chapter of "The Grand Inquisitor." There is an attack upon the deification of the uneducated Russian countrymen when after a verdict came through someone yelled, "Hooray, Trust our Russian peasants, Trust the peasants." Yet they had just convicted an innocent man.
Dostoeyvski speaks in the preface as author and creator, in particular in regard to his hero, tells us in the preface that the Aleksi, (Aloysha). The Christlike youngest brother is superior in thought alone, but in his action, he fails to inspire.
In no area is Dostoeyevski's own uncertainty more brilliantly depicted than in the question of the nature of the holy man on earth--the monks, the starets and the saintly. Fyodor insults the monks where Aloysha has gone to prepare for the priesthood. He shouts in a mad frenzy to the monks, "why shouldn't I act the fool? ....every single one of you is worse than me. That's why I'm a buffoon- a buffon of shame..Master (falling to knees) what must I do to earn eternal life?" Was he in jest?
It has been said that all the characters are insane, and then rebuffed with, we are just seeing them, in so much vivid light, but they are, like ourselves, just ordinary. This is an event, a necessary ingredient to any reading life.Glad you posted this! Somehow it sounds much more exciting and entertaining than I remember . . .
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Post by Sara on Mar 1, 2006 21:30:54 GMT -5
Oh - there's a 'HIM'. And that guy with Ethan was the bearded 'Other'. Do you suppose the woman Claire keeps seeing is the CFL's "Alex"?"Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket...." Creepy - with a capital "C". Now that Claire's specified she's a teenage girl, I think you nailed it Karen--good call.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 1, 2006 21:33:57 GMT -5
Eko chopping a tree. #thud#
Eko knows.
Getting back to Sawyer and the guns. Good. Sawyers priorities are interesting.
Listen to Sun, Claire! Interesting conversation though, knowing what Sun doesn't.
Creepier and Creepier.
Dharma project not exactly working to plan. Interesting.
Who is this guy?
Like how this episode is all about the women.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 1, 2006 21:36:24 GMT -5
Go Claire!! Rousseau does know what you're talking about.
Sort of.
But are you walking right into the place she wants to manuver you into visiting.
"I wish to speak to him alone." "Because you wish to keep this a secret." The gloves come off.
Yup!! I knew it! Rousseau doesn't know all of it. And she really wants Claire to lead her to the bunker. She thinks her child is there.
So. They kept her totally loopy on happy drugs. What's in the flask, Ethan. And why are you going behind the backs of the Others in the bunker?
Ah . . . did Ethan get a little sweet on Claire? They told her they were gonna get rid of her and keep the baby? What the hell did they tell her?
Are we looking at some brain washing here?
"We're good people." A good family.
And they only take "the good ones"?
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