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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2006 7:27:12 GMT -5
That was great. The Others thought they knew Sun. They were wrong. Their arrogance is their weakness. Do they know she's pregnant, I wonder? 'Cause that might make her just that much more willing to pull the trigger. I wasn't sure she'd do it, but...I figured she had to. Yes, very good point - I hadn't thought of that. The time I got robbed at gunpoint, I was pregnant, and come to think of it, it made quite a difference in my reaction. I had no weapon, but - well, I'm sure I would have shot that woman, if I was Sun. What I remember most clearly (I was 5 mos pregnant) was that when my adrenaline was really rushing, and my heart was pounding out of my chest, I had a second pounding going on in my abdomen. So it wasn't like the baby and protecting it wasn't on my mind at all times. It was. Yep. You're right. Of course she shot that woman who was threatening her. Sun and Jin have an interesting relationship. I hope we get to see more of it, and how it changes and grows away from the parents, the culture, and with baby coming, the challenges of the island . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2006 7:28:06 GMT -5
I think it worked perfectly. Looked to me like the goal was to get one of them close enough to deprive him of his weapon. But...10 to 1 odds. From the way he debriefed the intelligence he'd gathered to Kate when they were re-caged, I figured he was trying it as a test of their conditions: the Others in this sitch have not threatened lethal punishment: I think he figured he was risking getting zapped at best, possibly non-lethally shot at worst: and he wound up with tons of info on what the strengths of their guards were, who to watch out for, etc. Impressive tactical planning on his part. PLUS he got to snog Kate: and there was always the chance, however slim, that he'd wind up with the upper hand: say if Kate had proved as slippery and fast with the gun Juliet had as she did with Sawyer back in the pilot ep. 10-to-2 odds, when the two are crack shots and have guns and the element of surprise? Not impossible, though definitely risky. I think, though, that it was recon more than anything else: Sawer was watching everyone like a hawk, to see which way they were predisposed to jump. Granted, this is crediting Sawyer with subtlety that he doesn't normally display, but he is the master of the Long Con. All true. Plus - and I think, mostly - he just wanted to kiss her.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 12, 2006 8:14:10 GMT -5
Interesting. The Others treat our two criminals, Kate and Sawyer, like... criminals. Ohhh snap! I kind of loved how protective, sexy and yet sneaky Sawyer was. Hee! And I really feel for Kate having to work in that idiotic dress. That would bug the heck out of me.
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Post by Sara on Oct 12, 2006 8:23:51 GMT -5
Interesting. The Others treat our two criminals, Kate and Sawyer, like... criminals. Ohhh snap! I kind of loved how protective, sexy and yet sneaky Sawyer was. Hee! And I really feel for Kate having to work in that idiotic dress. That would bug the heck out of me. Oh yeah--that was just cruel and unusual punishment. But also in keeping with whatever mind game they're playing with her; making her wear a dress in the first place was such a simple and elegant ploy I almost applauded it. After all, we know she was the quintessential tomboy growing up, and even in her flashbacks I think we've seen her in something other than pants only once (when she robbed the bank). So what better way to keep her off-balance and having her feeling vulnerable than to put her in the kind of clothing she's the least comfortable wearing? Pure genius.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 12, 2006 8:39:56 GMT -5
Interesting. The Others treat our two criminals, Kate and Sawyer, like... criminals. Ohhh snap! I kind of loved how protective, sexy and yet sneaky Sawyer was. Hee! And I really feel for Kate having to work in that idiotic dress. That would bug the heck out of me. No kidding. I mean, the dress itself is perfectly decent, but it seems so degrading on her.
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Post by Jan on Oct 12, 2006 10:33:30 GMT -5
Was that Sun's father that came in and saw them in flagrante delecto? I know he has ties to the.... are developments from the "Lost Experience" online game spoilers? Jin will come around to the sensible side of the universe eventually: he's got it in him. Snerk! "How dare you!" "Shocked, not shot" Plusses in that: it's not a distance weapon, like the taser Juliet used on him. But why does everyone like zapping hell out of Sawyer? Because he's so cute when he curls up into a ball and rolls around on the ground?
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Post by Jan on Oct 12, 2006 10:42:16 GMT -5
Of all the things they picked to show Jack, I cannot tell you how happy I am that they showed him Boston winning the World Series. ;D That was a special request I made of them--I won't even begin to tell you what it cost me. ;D
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Post by Matthew on Oct 12, 2006 11:04:29 GMT -5
Ohhh snap! I kind of loved how protective, sexy and yet sneaky Sawyer was. Hee! And I really feel for Kate having to work in that idiotic dress. That would bug the heck out of me. Oh yeah--that was just cruel and unusual punishment. But also in keeping with whatever mind game they're playing with her; making her wear a dress in the first place was such a simple and elegant ploy I almost applauded it. After all, we know she was the quintessential tomboy growing up, and even in her flashbacks I think we've seen her in something other than pants only once (when she robbed the bank). So what better way to keep her off-balance and having her feeling vulnerable than to put her in the kind of clothing she's the least comfortable wearing? Pure genius. Incidentally? The cut, fabric and style of that dress? Seems pretty up-to-date to me. Alex claimed it was hers: does the Village of the Darned get frequent drops of up-to-date clothing as well as their nifty satelite TV reception? And Benry is dressed, while casually, in a very cosmopolitan fashion: not at all provincially or as someone who is part of a small culture in need of clothing might dress. Maybe they have a replicator on the island. Which Desmond can take advantage of. He had a much better experience than Ardzt, no? And so glad Penelope's quest isn't at an end.
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Post by Sara on Oct 12, 2006 11:22:32 GMT -5
Oh yeah--that was just cruel and unusual punishment. But also in keeping with whatever mind game they're playing with her; making her wear a dress in the first place was such a simple and elegant ploy I almost applauded it. After all, we know she was the quintessential tomboy growing up, and even in her flashbacks I think we've seen her in something other than pants only once (when she robbed the bank). So what better way to keep her off-balance and having her feeling vulnerable than to put her in the kind of clothing she's the least comfortable wearing? Pure genius. Incidentally? The cut, fabric and style of that dress? Seems pretty up-to-date to me. Alex claimed it was hers: does the Village of the Darned get frequent drops of up-to-date clothing as well as their nifty satelite TV reception? And Benry is dressed, while casually, in a very cosmopolitan fashion: not at all provincially or as someone who is part of a small culture in need of clothing might dress. Maybe they have a replicator on the island. Which Desmond can take advantage of. He had a much better experience than Ardzt, no? And so glad Penelope's quest isn't at an end. It also makes me wonder why the Others conducted such an elaborate charade. The rough clothing they wear whenever there's a chance one of the castaways might see them (remember what Ben was wearing when he arrived at the dock to complete the deal with Michael), the line of folks walking barefoot through the woods... what's the purpose of it all? Why have they done any of this? Why didn't they come forward and help the survivors with all of the resources they obviously had at hand from the very beginning? Why let them struggle under such harsh living conditions? Are they protecting something? Were they fearful that the crash was a ruse designed to test them in some way? I know that the ratio of questions to answers frustrates some viewers, especially since it always seems to skew one way, but as for myself I find all of this very intriguing to ponder.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 12, 2006 11:37:28 GMT -5
And upon re-viewing, I think Jae simply killed himself. What backup-thug would allow him time to grab the pearl necklace that had been refused by his lover, after his lover's husband came in and beat the snot out of him, for what he thinks is his actions of sleeping with her?
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Post by Matthew on Oct 12, 2006 11:40:30 GMT -5
Incidentally? The cut, fabric and style of that dress? Seems pretty up-to-date to me. Alex claimed it was hers: does the Village of the Darned get frequent drops of up-to-date clothing as well as their nifty satelite TV reception? And Benry is dressed, while casually, in a very cosmopolitan fashion: not at all provincially or as someone who is part of a small culture in need of clothing might dress. Maybe they have a replicator on the island. Which Desmond can take advantage of. He had a much better experience than Ardzt, no? And so glad Penelope's quest isn't at an end. It also makes me wonder why the Others conducted such an elaborate charade. The rough clothing they wear whenever there's a chance one of the castaways might see them (remember what Ben was wearing when he arrived at the dock to complete the deal with Michael), the line of folks walking barefoot through the woods... what's the purpose of it all? Why have they done any of this? Why didn't they come forward and help the survivors with all of the resources they obviously had at hand from the very beginning? Why let them struggle under such harsh living conditions? Are they protecting something? Were they fearful that the crash was a ruse designed to test them in some way? I know that the ratio of questions to answers frustrates some viewers, especially since it always seems to skew one way, but as for myself I find all of this very intriguing to ponder. And the charades? They are an island full of guerillia commando psychologists. They LIVE for this crap. Oh, I LOVE all the questions: I just hope that there are answers to them, eventually. The weirder shit gets, the happier I am, so long as I KNOW that they are gonna make things plain. Even if it's in something like the "Lost Experience" Alternate Reality game. Which reminds me, is information from the alternate reality game considered a spoiler?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 12, 2006 12:31:38 GMT -5
It also makes me wonder why the Others conducted such an elaborate charade. The rough clothing they wear whenever there's a chance one of the castaways might see them (remember what Ben was wearing when he arrived at the dock to complete the deal with Michael), the line of folks walking barefoot through the woods... what's the purpose of it all? Why have they done any of this? Why didn't they come forward and help the survivors with all of the resources they obviously had at hand from the very beginning? Why let them struggle under such harsh living conditions? Are they protecting something? Were they fearful that the crash was a ruse designed to test them in some way? I know that the ratio of questions to answers frustrates some viewers, especially since it always seems to skew one way, but as for myself I find all of this very intriguing to ponder. And the charades? They are an island full of guerillia commando psychologists. They LIVE for this crap. Oh, I LOVE all the questions: I just hope that there are answers to them, eventually. The weirder shit gets, the happier I am, so long as I KNOW that they are gonna make things plain. Even if it's in something like the "Lost Experience" Alternate Reality game. Which reminds me, is information from the alternate reality game considered a spoiler? If it has any bearing on what might happen on the show, then, yes.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 12, 2006 12:35:25 GMT -5
And the charades? They are an island full of guerillia commando psychologists. They LIVE for this crap. Oh, I LOVE all the questions: I just hope that there are answers to them, eventually. The weirder shit gets, the happier I am, so long as I KNOW that they are gonna make things plain. Even if it's in something like the "Lost Experience" Alternate Reality game. Which reminds me, is information from the alternate reality game considered a spoiler? If it has any bearing on what might happen on the show, then, yes. Ah, crap. Well, that's the thing: God and J.J. Abrams only know if it's gonna have a bearing on the show itself: I won't comment about things relating to it, though. *shrug*
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 12, 2006 13:45:59 GMT -5
If it has any bearing on what might happen on the show, then, yes. Ah, crap. Well, that's the thing: God and J.J. Abrams only know if it's gonna have a bearing on the show itself: I won't comment about things relating to it, though. *shrug* Put it in the Spoiler section? I am too lazy don't have time to play network games, but I'd love to hear about it. I was wondering if the episode title had any relation to The Glass Menagerie, but it probably doesn't.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 12, 2006 13:50:51 GMT -5
Incidentally? The cut, fabric and style of that dress? Seems pretty up-to-date to me. Alex claimed it was hers: does the Village of the Darned get frequent drops of up-to-date clothing as well as their nifty satelite TV reception? And Benry is dressed, while casually, in a very cosmopolitan fashion: not at all provincially or as someone who is part of a small culture in need of clothing might dress. Maybe they have a replicator on the island. Which Desmond can take advantage of. He had a much better experience than Ardzt, no? And so glad Penelope's quest isn't at an end. It also makes me wonder why the Others conducted such an elaborate charade. The rough clothing they wear whenever there's a chance one of the castaways might see them (remember what Ben was wearing when he arrived at the dock to complete the deal with Michael), the line of folks walking barefoot through the woods... what's the purpose of it all? Why have they done any of this? Why didn't they come forward and help the survivors with all of the resources they obviously had at hand from the very beginning? Why let them struggle under such harsh living conditions? Are they protecting something? Were they fearful that the crash was a ruse designed to test them in some way? I know that the ratio of questions to answers frustrates some viewers, especially since it always seems to skew one way, but as for myself I find all of this very intriguing to ponder. Excellent questions. For me - someone who was very disenchanted with last season's episodes, I feel that the little ooh look Village of the Incredibly Confusing Others moment to start this season added a new snap and zing to the series. In that I am looking forward to it far more than I had in the past. Add to the fact that last night they had Trixie on the show. Um . . . Colleen but she will always be Trixie to me from Deadwood and with Sarah Paulson on Studio 60, Gerald McRaney on Jericho - My Deadwood addiction is in a happy place. Now if Ian McShane could show up somewhere . . . . Back to point. I was getting bored with the endless backstories and I know I'm in the minority here on this board as most of you are still deeply in thrall but I find myself far more intrigued than I was. Frankly the Rose/Michael episodes last season were pushing the last straw for me but I am now interested in seeing more.
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