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Post by Moscow Watcher on Oct 15, 2006 12:06:36 GMT -5
Now THAT would be a helluva twist. Kate's been an Other from the beginning? HAVE we seen, in her flashbacks, that she was actually on the plane? Or in the land down under? Oh wait, if the Others do have contact with outside, then it's conceivable that she was planted on the plane from the beginning. Okay, unlikely, but interesting speculation! Obviously I suck at explaining. OK, I'll try again. I think that Kate might be Sidney Bristow 2.0. Obviously Abrams had a lot of untold Alias stories and he may try to re-adjust them for Lost. Kate either works for government structures (think Sidney Bristow) or for some shadowy espionnage organisation (think Nikita). They need to infiltrate Dharma's facility on the island. Kate is what they call a "mole" i.e. very deep undercover, nobody knows about her true identity so "officially" she's a criminal on the run. This theory, at least, explains why Ben wanted to get Kate and her men. The first thing he wanted to get was flight manifest. He could somehow figure out Kate's true mission and now wants to use her in his games. And he took her men to manipulate her. I anticipate the question how could Kate end up in the "right" plane? Well, in Abrams' world at least one psychic could predict what happens to this flight so technically, Kate's superiors could organize her to be transported by the plane the psychic chose. Also, I find it extremely interesting that Nathan Fillion will be playing her husband. It's an unwritten casting rule - important roles mean important actors. And NF is part of Jossverse Lost writers love so much they even quote it!
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Post by Sara on Oct 16, 2006 8:19:03 GMT -5
Hey, anybody else has the impression the The Others are also the lab rats? That they're also the victims of an experiment conducted by another power structure? That they have already gave up and accepted their role as guinea pigs - or, rather, kind of "capos" in the concentration camp (figuratively speaking)? And it's very important to them to break the will of newbies to prove to themselves that they made the right choice because there is no other way? Overall impressions of the first two episodes (I watched them today back to back). The third season is a metaphor of XX century - an era of terrible social experiments. If the first season was about the dawn of civilisation, about man and nature, and the second - about the industrial revolution, man and technical progress, then, logically, the third season should be about humanity's recent past, which includes concentration camps and experiments on people. The theme of the season, it seems to me, is the free will, choices and responsibility. I suppose Jack will have to choose in the next episode if he operates and saves the woman Sun has shot. Kate and Sawyer will have to choose between attempting to escape and making the other suffer. Very interesting thoughts, especially the part I highlighted. 'Cause if that is the case, then Ben might have made a mistake in showing Jack the Boston victory in the World Series. After all, when Jack explained the "that's why the Sox will never win the Series" phrase to Sawyer, he said: JACK: It's just something my father used to say so he could go through life knowing that people hated him. Instead of taking responsibility for it, he just put it on fate. Said he was made that way.So by proving to Jack that the Sox did indeed win the Series, Ben was also showing him that, perhaps, nothing is fated--and anything is possible. And if Jack believes that, then he may no longer be willing to simply resign himself to going along with whatever Ben has to say. Which may make negotiations a mite more challenging.
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Post by fish1941 on Oct 16, 2006 13:02:00 GMT -5
I hope and pray that you're wrong about this. From what I've seen of Kate in the previous two seasons - including the flashbacks - she doesn't strike me as the "Sidney Bristow 2.0" type.
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Post by Sara on Oct 16, 2006 16:11:01 GMT -5
I hope and pray that you're wrong about this. From what I've seen of Kate in the previous two seasons - including the flashbacks - she doesn't strike me as the "Sidney Bristow 2.0" type. Yeah, I'm not sure I want to see them try and tell Alias-style stories in this milieu either. If they wanted to find a way to get a shirtless Bradley Cooper on the island, however, I certainly wouldn't complain...
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Post by Rachael on Oct 16, 2006 16:12:24 GMT -5
I hope and pray that you're wrong about this. From what I've seen of Kate in the previous two seasons - including the flashbacks - she doesn't strike me as the "Sidney Bristow 2.0" type. Well, certainly she's got a completely different background...but it would be interesting if someone (anyone) was a plant. Except for the part where I think the plane crash was a surprise to everyone involved, so it'd be hard to understand who'd know in advance that the button wouldn't get pushed and the plane would go down on the island...all of which would be required in order to put a mole on the plane.
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Post by Moscow Watcher on Oct 16, 2006 17:37:57 GMT -5
What about Nikita type - i.e. reluctant agent who works in hope to wipe out her past?
I've got the impression they have already started telling them in the end of season 2 and the first eps of season 3.
Consider this. There are "us" and "them". "They" corrupted one of "our people" (Michael). "We" figured him out and decided to use him to our advantage to collect data about "them". "We" organized a field operation with the participation of the "agent" who double-crossed "us" without letting him know that he's outed. But "they" were able to predict this turn of events and to lure "our agents" into a trap...
Sounds familiar?
Psychic whom Claire had met knew about the plane crash in advance.
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Post by Sara on Nov 1, 2006 22:28:53 GMT -5
On their most recent podcast, producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof confirmed that Jae committed suicide. Just in case anyone was still wondering.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 3, 2006 20:37:53 GMT -5
What about Nikita type - i.e. reluctant agent who works in hope to wipe out her past? I've got the impression they have already started telling them in the end of season 2 and the first eps of season 3. Consider this. There are "us" and "them". "They" corrupted one of "our people" (Michael). "We" figured him out and decided to use him to our advantage to collect data about "them". "We" organized a field operation with the participation of the "agent" who double-crossed "us" without letting him know that he's outed. But "they" were able to predict this turn of events and to lure "our agents" into a trap... Sounds familiar? Psychic whom Claire had met knew about the plane crash in advance. I too like the idea of "reluctant agent who works in hope to wipe out her past". Since some folks are speculating if many of the folks who crashed are there to "learn something" - it would certainly fit in with that.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 3, 2006 20:39:03 GMT -5
On their most recent podcast, producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof confirmed that Jae committed suicide. Just in case anyone was still wondering. Ah, cool! Nice to have that settled, although jumping or being pushed would each have their own repercussions.
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