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Post by Sara on Oct 13, 2006 8:25:46 GMT -5
I got the feeling that Jin figured it out, but forgave Sun: he realized that he had not been ideal husband material at the time. And he loves her in totality, I think.I don't recall cheering here about Sun's actions shooting the unarmed Colleen: I was wanting her to do it sooner, though. Someone breaks on your boat, she's invading your home: also, it was very likely (to Sun) that it was part of a larger invasion effort: a gunshot would alert Jin and Sayid to the danger on the boat, and bring them at a run.
And as for Ana-Lucia killing Goodwin? I had no problem with that, myself, either. Goodwin had killed members of their party, was a mole and therefore a traitor, and tried to kill her as well. I'd have to watch the episode over again, but my impression was that Sun was as shocked when the gun went off as Colleen was - Sun really didn't want to shoot anyone, but she was backed into a corner, and did what she had to to survive. I agree with you about Jin - he's flawed, he has anger issues, but he truly loves Sun and wants to be a good husband to her. IMHO, YMMV, and all that. No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 13, 2006 8:28:14 GMT -5
I'd have to watch the episode over again, but my impression was that Sun was as shocked when the gun went off as Colleen was - Sun really didn't want to shoot anyone, but she was backed into a corner, and did what she had to to survive. I agree with you about Jin - he's flawed, he has anger issues, but he truly loves Sun and wants to be a good husband to her. IMHO, YMMV, and all that. No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen. Interesting, 'cause I totally have the other impression - that she didn't want to, but saw no other option. Which is what I thought Karen was saying, as well. She was surprised that she did it, but it wasn't an accident.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 13, 2006 10:27:43 GMT -5
No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen. Interesting, 'cause I totally have the other impression - that she didn't want to, but saw no other option.Which is what I thought Karen was saying, as well. She was surprised that she did it, but it wasn't an accident. I think it's a bit of both - Sun knew she had no other option, she was prepared to pull the trigger, but I thought she looked just as shocked as Colleen when the gun went off. Complicated. Anne, confuzzled by my own thoughts
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 13, 2006 13:34:06 GMT -5
I'd have to watch the episode over again, but my impression was that Sun was as shocked when the gun went off as Colleen was - Sun really didn't want to shoot anyone, but she was backed into a corner, and did what she had to to survive. I agree with you about Jin - he's flawed, he has anger issues, but he truly loves Sun and wants to be a good husband to her. IMHO, YMMV, and all that. No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen. I thought Sun intentionally shot Colleen. I thought Jae killed himself. I think Sawyer kissed Kate mostly because he really, really wanted to kiss Kate; the rest was just gravy. I think Juliet is a bad, bad woman - basically, I do not like any of the Others. They are mean and nasty. Why, oh why, can't they put Kate & Sawyer in the same cage? I think Sayid really needs a love interest also. I LOVED the Boston Red Sox reference. Too perfect. Naturally, I thought of Sara immediately.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 13, 2006 13:35:04 GMT -5
No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen. Interesting, 'cause I totally have the other impression - that she didn't want to, but saw no other option. Which is what I thought Karen was saying, as well. She was surprised that she did it, but it wasn't an accident. Yeppers. I shoulda read ahead. This is the way I saw it also.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 13, 2006 13:37:43 GMT -5
No, Greg and I both agree with you--we thought the shooting was accidental as well. Not that we both don't also think Sun is more than capable of shooting someone, especially if her baby's life or that of someone she loved was in danger. But neither one of us got the sense Sun intentionally pulled the trigger on Colleen. I thought Sun intentionally shot Colleen. I thought Jae killed himself. I think Sawyer kissed Kate mostly because he really, really wanted to kiss Kate; the rest was just gravy. I think Juliet is a bad, bad woman - basically, I do not like any of the Others. They are mean and nasty. Why, oh why, can't they put Kate & Sawyer in the same cage?
I think Sayid really needs a love interest also. I LOVED the Boston Red Sox reference. Too perfect. Naturally, I thought of Sara immediately. Oh, yeah...
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Post by Pixi on Oct 13, 2006 14:01:08 GMT -5
Hmmm - I guess I don't feel like I know the character Jae well enough to decide if he committed suicide or not. I've read everyone's posts now and I still feel undecided.
As for Sun shooting Colleen- I'm in the camp that she did it deliberately. That didn't look or feel accidental to me at all.
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Post by Vlad on Oct 13, 2006 15:00:38 GMT -5
The Others want Sawyer and Kate to move closer together for some reason. Maybe they want pretty Sate/Kawyer babies. Sigh Vlad
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Post by Vlad on Oct 13, 2006 15:03:32 GMT -5
I mean, duh! I was talking back to the TV, saying stuff like "don't you think maybe they're listening to you and you shouldn't spill your plan like that". Unless it's some kind of plan to make them think they know their plan. Nah. Sawyer's not that bright. If they had ONLY watched the latest episode of VM like I had jsut minutes before they would have been much smarter about being in captivity. Vlad
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Post by Vlad on Oct 13, 2006 15:15:31 GMT -5
And upon re-viewing, I think Jae simply killed himself. What backup-thug would allow him time to grab the pearl necklace that had been refused by his lover, after his lover's husband came in and beat the snot out of him, for what he thinks is his actions of sleeping with her? We don't know how long it took for Jin to get back down to his car. I find it quite plausible that Jae would have picked up the necklace, thinking of Sun as he tried to come up with a plan on how to flee the country and disappear. Maybe he was even thinking of asking Sun to come with him (tho', I doubt that...he was awful snivelly while getting the crap beaten out of him.) No, I can't dismiss at all the idea that maybe a secondary "assassin" chucked him out htat window.. and directly onto Jin's car as a "message," perhaps. You know "When Daddy of Sun wants something done, it will be done, jsut as he says, no matter WHAT you want to do." Don't forget that Jin originally was "light" on his first assignment. Daddy probably knows of his tendency to be merciful. I could see him sending a backup. Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 13, 2006 15:26:21 GMT -5
And upon re-viewing, I think Jae simply killed himself. What backup-thug would allow him time to grab the pearl necklace that had been refused by his lover, after his lover's husband came in and beat the snot out of him, for what he thinks is his actions of sleeping with her? We don;t know how long it took for Jin to get back down to his car. I find it quite plausible that Jae would have picked up the necklace, thinking of Sun as he tried to come up with a plan on how to flee the country and disappear. Maybe he was even thinking of asking Sun to come with him (tho i doubt that...he was awful snivelly while getting the crap beaten out of him)... NO, I can't dismiss at all the idea that maybe a secondary "assassin" chucked him out htat window.. and directly onto Jin's car as a "message" perhaps. You know "When Daddy of Sun wants something done, it will be done, jsut as he says, no matter WHAT you want to do." Don't forget that Jin originally was "light" on his first assignment. Daddy probably knows of his tendency to be merciful. I could see him sending a backup. Vlad Yes - it could go either way. My guess is that he killed himself, but there is no real proof of anything besides the fact that he, somehow, took a tumble - like a glass ballerina off a mantle - out the window, and shattered. I was sorry to see him go. He was a cutie pie.
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Post by Vlad on Oct 13, 2006 15:40:35 GMT -5
We don;t know how long it took for Jin to get back down to his car. I find it quite plausible that Jae would have picked up the necklace, thinking of Sun as he tried to come up with a plan on how to flee the country and disappear. Maybe he was even thinking of asking Sun to come with him (tho i doubt that...he was awful snivelly while getting the crap beaten out of him)... NO, I can't dismiss at all the idea that maybe a secondary "assassin" chucked him out htat window.. and directly onto Jin's car as a "message" perhaps. You know "When Daddy of Sun wants something done, it will be done, jsut as he says, no matter WHAT you want to do." Don't forget that Jin originally was "light" on his first assignment. Daddy probably knows of his tendency to be merciful. I could see him sending a backup. Vlad Yes - it could go either way. My guess is that he killed himself, but there is no real proof of anything besides the fact that he, somehow, took a tumble - like a glass ballerina off a mantle - out the window, and shattered. I was sorry to see him go. He was a cutie pie. something jsut struck me as well... the whole tie in to the glass ballerina. Daddy DID have Jae tossed out that window. It was exactly like him being forced to fire the maid because of Sun's goof-up. For him it's more important to save face than to actually apply the blame where it at least equally belongs. Sun was there in another man's bed quite voluntarily. She was "touching the no-no." But instead of "spanking" Sun for the misdeed, he retained her "honor" by doing somethign that was wrong. I know, I know... you already knew this. I am jsut saying that is why I am convinced he sent a second guy. He wanted to make sure the job was done. It was VERY important to him. Vlad
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Post by Lola m on Oct 13, 2006 16:44:26 GMT -5
I thought Sun intentionally shot Colleen. I thought Jae killed himself. I think Sawyer kissed Kate mostly because he really, really wanted to kiss Kate; the rest was just gravy. I think Juliet is a bad, bad woman - basically, I do not like any of the Others. They are mean and nasty. Why, oh why, can't they put Kate & Sawyer in the same cage?
I think Sayid really needs a love interest also. I LOVED the Boston Red Sox reference. Too perfect. Naturally, I thought of Sara immediately. Oh, yeah...Why of why can't they put Jack and Kate and Sawyer in the same cage! Cage-match threesome! ;D Or, Sawyer and, say . . . . Sayid in the same cage!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 13, 2006 16:45:37 GMT -5
I mean, duh! I was talking back to the TV, saying stuff like "don't you think maybe they're listening to you and you shouldn't spill your plan like that". Unless it's some kind of plan to make them think they know their plan. Nah. Sawyer's not that bright. If they had ONLY watched the latest episode of VM like I had jsut minutes before they would have been much smarter about being in captivity. Vlad ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 13, 2006 16:47:57 GMT -5
Yes - it could go either way. My guess is that he killed himself, but there is no real proof of anything besides the fact that he, somehow, took a tumble - like a glass ballerina off a mantle - out the window, and shattered. I was sorry to see him go. He was a cutie pie. something jsut struck me as well... the whole tie in to the glass ballerina. Daddy DID have Jae tossed out that window. It was exactly like him being forced to fire the maid because of Sun's goof-up. For him it's more important to save face than to actually apply the blame where it at least equally belongs. Sun was there in another man's bed quite voluntarily. She was "touching the no-no." But instead of "spanking" Sun for the misdeed, he retained her "honor" by doing somethign that was wrong. I know, I know... you already knew this. I am jsut saying that is why I am convinced he sent a second guy. He wanted to make sure the job was done. It was VERY important to him. Vlad Clever comparison, you two! I hadn't thought of that dual image of the statue and Jae both falling . . .
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