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Post by Sara on Mar 1, 2007 13:52:12 GMT -5
Myself, I figured she was referring to this exchange: SAWYER: Let's get back to camp. [Kate is annoyed but doesn't respond] Well, are you coming, or not?
KATE: Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore.
SAWYER: Don't take it out on me because you feel guilty.
KATE: I don't feel guilty.
SAWYER: The hell you don't.
KATE: We had to leave Jack behind. I didn't have a choice.
SAWYER: I'm not talking about leaving Jack behind. I'm talking about you and me. I know you did it because you thought I was dead man. So don't beat yourself because the Doc's left behind. Call me crazy, but if a guy I'd just had a pretty intense sexual encounter with later told me he figured I'd just taken pity on him and given him one for the road... well, I'd find that pretty insulting all the way around: it cheapens the event, implies what happened between us wasn't as meaningful to him as it was to me, and suggests he doesn't have a very high opinion of me or my morals. So, yeah, I'd be a little pissed at him too. Oh, wow. I totally didn't think of that. Huh. And I wouldn't be pissed at the guy, I guess I'd be thinking "wow, he is even more insecure than I realised, 'cuz he's trying to give me an easy way out to stop being with him and instead care about the guy he thinks I love instead of him". Um. If that sentence makes sense. Which, on looking at it, it does not. But I can't think of a better way to state it. ;D I got it, at any rate. And even if I did think of all those excellent points, I might still be pissed: at that moment I'd see it as just one more example of Sawyer making my decisions for me. However, I believe Kate had gotten to a similar point in her thinking—which is why she offered him the olive branch. And, imho, he did owe her an apology; no matter how noble his intentions were, he still said something very, very hurtful. All he had to do was acknowledge that and they'd have been fine. But, as has been noted previously, Sawyer is a self-destructive idiot.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 1, 2007 23:12:29 GMT -5
Jeez. Is Lost the Island of the Daddy Issues, or what?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 2, 2007 13:10:33 GMT -5
Jeez. Is Lost the Island of the Daddy Issues, or what? Totally and completely. Maybe the island is a mom and is making all these folks stay here until they just Get Over the whole Daddy Thing. ;D
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Post by Vlad on Mar 2, 2007 23:41:16 GMT -5
Did I enjoy this episode?! You betcha, Dude! And I could NOT BELIEVE they used Three Dog Night's Shambala for the backdrop/theme music. That has always been one of my favorite songs and the fact I used it to provide the overlay for one of my earliest reviews of one of LOST's best episodes, Walkabout was far from lost to me. What I was shocked about was that YOU guys remembered it. It was one of those Sally Field "You like me! You really like me" moments. Well except it was more like "You read me; you really read me!" And, I had that tiny thought: "Did the writers read my old review? Nahhhh... common enough song and well suited for a show like this. Stilll..." theres always that momentary feeling. Terrific episode! I liked the interplay between everyone. And I liked the fact that, in the end, Hugo's dad truly seemed to be honest. Yeah, sure, he came back partially for the money... but he really did want to see his son again... and I think he was 100 percent honest when he told Hurley to give the money away and only save enough for a carb. I like that sorta grey in my characters. People aren't perfect... they are often motivated by greed, selfishness and jsut plain bad sense. And they can still be people to care about. And they can still give great advice, even if they can;t follow it themselves. In the end, I think Hugo's dad realized just how much he had missed out on with his son, maybe felt the guilt of the realization that his being gone from his life had made his son's life worse and really wanted to try to make some amends to that by doing the right things now. I jsut feel like LOST is finding it's way again. I liked the majority of the characters being back. We need that interaction. I hope they stay on path. You know, this last week has been a GREAT one for my 4 major watched shows: BSG was pretty damn good, HEROES rocked, Veronica Mars was very good, and this episode of LOST was just what the doctor had been prescribing for this series. I am a happy camper. Vlad
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Post by Vlad on Mar 2, 2007 23:55:11 GMT -5
Myself, I figured she was referring to this exchange: SAWYER: Let's get back to camp. [Kate is annoyed but doesn't respond] Well, are you coming, or not?
KATE: Should I walk beside you, or ten paces behind you? You've gotten so good at telling me what to do, I can't think for myself anymore.
SAWYER: Don't take it out on me because you feel guilty.
KATE: I don't feel guilty.
SAWYER: The hell you don't.
KATE: We had to leave Jack behind. I didn't have a choice.
SAWYER: I'm not talking about leaving Jack behind. I'm talking about you and me. I know you did it because you thought I was dead man. So don't beat yourself because the Doc's left behind. Call me crazy, but if a guy I'd just had a pretty intense sexual encounter with later told me he figured I'd just taken pity on him and given him one for the road... well, I'd find that pretty insulting all the way around: it cheapens the event, implies what happened between us wasn't as meaningful to him as it was to me, and suggests he doesn't have a very high opinion of me or my morals. So, yeah, I'd be a little pissed at him too. Oh, wow. I totally didn't think of that. Huh. And I wouldn't be pissed at the guy, I guess I'd be thinking "wow, he is even more insecure than I realised, 'cuz he's trying to give me an easy way out to stop being with him and instead care about the guy he thinks I love instead of him". Um. If that sentence makes sense. Which, on looking at it, it does not. But I can't think of a better way to state it. ;D Makes sense to me! And letting someone go to the person they love IS love. I mean he could be wrong about it, but c'mon people... we've all been flies on the wall. Kate wants/loves both Sawyer AND Jack. He's not wrong.. or at least not completely. And really, how is it insulting to think that someone cared enough about you to give you something of themselves, even tho' they couldn't give it to you on a regular, forever kinda basis? *shrugs* I'd say it's an honest appraisal. Maybe not the right one in this case, but an honest one. And honesty shouldn't be insulting. And it's not like she couldn't have told him then and there he was wrong... showed him he was wrong in his thinking. Instead, Kate expects him to read her mind. Or, perhaps she is looking for a reason to be angry with Sawyer so they can "break up?" Ya think? Vlad
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 15:25:11 GMT -5
Teaser
Tricia Tanaka? Not Tricia Takanawa?
Young Hurley?
Having hope is never stupid. You gotta make your own luck. Hence Hurley grows up to be so happy go lucky.
Dad's gonna disappoint Hurley.
Oh, and getting into his food addiction. Poor Hurley.
Hurley telling the story. to whom? To Libby's grave? Yep.
What a pretty cemetary.
Hurley thinks its his fault. We're back to this again.
VINCENT!!!!! ...with a dessicated arm.
Are those Hurley's dad's keys? And car?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 15:33:03 GMT -5
Part I
And she's a reporter too. Would have been so sweet if she were actually named Tricia Takanawa.
Puff piece. Doesn't want to know the real story, just the story she's already decided to tell. The story people want to hear.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that an airplane part?
Dharma Institute
Teaching Jin English.
They can fix it? Isn't it all rusted? And do they have any gas?
Because it'll be fun! That's my Hurley.
A dart? Now he's getting lockjaw.
OK, some cute flirting.
Sawyer watched Little House on the Prairie
Homecoming.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 15:39:45 GMT -5
Part II
So Hurley bought his mom another house.
Oh, it was a meteor.
Hurley deciding to go to Australia.
Dad returned home. Convenient timing.
Left the head behind. Hee.
Sawyer's back to true form.
Information gathering.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 15:45:43 GMT -5
Part III
Hurley hired the cooks from Bennigan's. Hee.
Hurley wants to get rid of the money.
Livestock?
Question of hope.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 15:52:37 GMT -5
Part IV Tarot. Like with Claire. She knows the numbers. The curse can be removed. Remove his clothes. Just like that? I was just trying to help. Help who? Good point. Sawyer teaching Jin English. excellent. This makes me think of the learning to read scenes in a League of Her Own. Roger's corpse propped up like that. Jin's imitating Sawyer's inflections, cause inflection matters in Korean, while they don't really in English. Charlie as Jiminey Cricket? Really? Pushing it down the hill. What good will that do?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 16:02:53 GMT -5
Coda
Give away the money to charity. Excellent idea, actually.
Too much time has passed, Dad. I don't think you can take it all back.
Oh, jumpstart it. I get it.
Charlie's riding shot gun. Laughing in destiny's face?
Are they going to run into The Other's village? Guess not.
Something about the four guys who went joy riding as opposed to the rest of the camp.
Now we come to the serious part of the episode.
They're not motivated? Well, actually that's a good point.
Trying to find The Others' "camp."
The light reflected off Eko's stick? Eh?
Rousseau!
Now Rousseau knows about Alex. Yay!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 16:17:04 GMT -5
Jeez. Is Lost the Island of the Daddy Issues, or what? Totally and completely. Maybe the island is a mom and is making all these folks stay here until they just Get Over the whole Daddy Thing. ;D Maybe all the Others have Mommy Issues to balance things out. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 16:27:47 GMT -5
I wasn't quite as into this episode. I think the parts were greater than the whole.
Interesting to see Hurley's dad, I guess. Hurley's on about the curse and things being his fault. Again. Maybe he never really got off it, because none of the Losties take him seriously. Hurley's on again about the list of curse tragedies. Again, though there are a few more added. Hurley's on about everybody needing to have fun. Again, just like with the golf. Which I guess everybody just tired of?
I think there is a real motivation problem because again there seems to be nothing to do but sit around or play with cars. That's not really a criticism of the episode; it just makes me wonder. Maybe there's planning and such going on off screen.
I liked the information exchange due to Kate and Sawyer coming back. Actually, I liked all those little bits, Jin learning English, etc, better than Hurley's main story and I really like Hurley, and I loved all the past Hurley-centric episodes.
It was a little lighter episode, which is a good break from heavy and dark, I guess.
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2007 18:21:56 GMT -5
I wasn't quite as into this episode. I think the parts were greater than the whole. Interesting to see Hurley's dad, I guess. Hurley's on about the curse and things being his fault. Again. Maybe he never really got off it, because none of the Losties take him seriously. Hurley's on again about the list of curse tragedies. Again, though there are a few more added. Hurley's on about everybody needing to have fun. Again, just like with the golf. Which I guess everybody just tired of? I think there is a real motivation problem because again there seems to be nothing to do but sit around or play with cars. That's not really a criticism of the episode; it just makes me wonder. Maybe there's planning and such going on off screen. I liked the information exchange due to Kate and Sawyer coming back. Actually, I liked all those little bits, Jin learning English, etc, better than Hurley's main story and I really like Hurley, and I loved all the past Hurley-centric episodes. It was a little lighter episode, which is a good break from heavy and dark, I guess. Yeah - the Losties are getting complacent, probably because they keep getting supplied with food. The "We're about out of oat bars." comment - they just didn't seem all that upset, like they were certain they'd find a new supply. It's a bit like the island is their cage, and if they do what's expected of them (whatever that is), they'll get rewarded. Stay on the beach - find more food. And are they still putting the numbers into the computer every - how many minutes? - and who exactly is doing that, because it seems that Locke isn't anymore.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2007 19:10:59 GMT -5
I wasn't quite as into this episode. I think the parts were greater than the whole. Interesting to see Hurley's dad, I guess. Hurley's on about the curse and things being his fault. Again. Maybe he never really got off it, because none of the Losties take him seriously. Hurley's on again about the list of curse tragedies. Again, though there are a few more added. Hurley's on about everybody needing to have fun. Again, just like with the golf. Which I guess everybody just tired of? I think there is a real motivation problem because again there seems to be nothing to do but sit around or play with cars. That's not really a criticism of the episode; it just makes me wonder. Maybe there's planning and such going on off screen. I liked the information exchange due to Kate and Sawyer coming back. Actually, I liked all those little bits, Jin learning English, etc, better than Hurley's main story and I really like Hurley, and I loved all the past Hurley-centric episodes. It was a little lighter episode, which is a good break from heavy and dark, I guess. Yeah - the Losties are getting complacent, probably because they keep getting supplied with food. The "We're about out of oat bars." comment - they just didn't seem all that upset, like they were certain they'd find a new supply. It's a bit like the island is their cage, and if they do what's expected of them (whatever that is), they'll get rewarded. Stay on the beach - find more food. And are they still putting the numbers into the computer every - how many minutes? - and who exactly is doing that, because it seems that Locke isn't anymore. I did notice the complacency about the food. Makes sense. And the computer and the button went bye bye, BTW.
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