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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:34:02 GMT -5
Locke blew up the station because proof denies faith. Uh... why assume the plane (of the Sonic Screw-You-Overs) stops at each pole? Because you are idiots?? Because there aren't a bunch of dead birds in the area? Well, the air space above could have been fine but with all the pylons themselves still . . . connected, so to speak. Come to think of it, why no dead animals? I mean, there would be ones that would try to walk through there. So either they come and collect them, or . . . . Or only people set it off? Or he actually set it off himself? Or, the writers just didn't think it that far thru . . . ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:35:21 GMT -5
I betcha that Claire had originally tried to catch that bird and slipped and fell in the water and then Charlie went in after her and died. So, Desmond went even farther back to save Charlie by saving the bird himself. Huh. Saved the bird from the first attempt to catch it, and then caught it himself when it was safe to do so? Cool.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:40:41 GMT -5
Desmond tells Claire. And we come full circle. Claire learned about the birds by watching nature programs with her comatose mom. Also, Claire comes to talk to her comatose mom about the baby that she is having. Now she respects how hard it was for her mom to raise her alone, tells her she's giving her own baby away and apologizes for the fight in the car. That likely contributed to/caused the accident. Rather long message to put on the bird. But the moment with her and Charlie was sweet. And meanwhile, back in the jungle, the 4 stooges have found . . . . suburbia! Woo hoo! Which is apparently kind of like the Kennedy compound or something, what with all the romping around playing ball and what not. ;D Poor poor disillusioned Kate. But girl, just 'cuz he's running around on the grass doesn't mean he still isn't being held there. Remember the giant microwave pylons of death! They can certainly keep people in as well as keeping people out.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:42:00 GMT -5
I betcha that Claire had originally tried to catch that bird and slipped and fell in the water and then Charlie went in after her and died. So, Desmond went even farther back to save Charlie by saving the bird himself. Huh. Well, not quite. Charlie dies a different way each time. Huh. If Desmond keeps saving him, the island is gonna get mad.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:42:43 GMT -5
So Kate's upset because Jack's not trying to escape, even though he gave his parole to the Others on the understanding that they'd not pursue Kate and Sawyer. Go figure. Well, that's Kate ya know. If there's no angst, she gets suspicious.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:44:26 GMT -5
So Kate's upset because Jack's not trying to escape, even though he gave his parole to the Others on the understanding that they'd not pursue Kate and Sawyer. Go figure. Seriously. I mean-why be upset that he's playing catch with the guy that almost killed Sawyer? And enjoying it, like he has not a care in the world... I guess Danielle was kinda right when she said that he'd forget all about her. Well, I say appearances can be decieving. Especially when those appearances include the Others. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:45:27 GMT -5
Ohhh! Next week they have the chance to redeem my feelings toward Locke's character, I am so looking foward to next weeks episode! If they are really gonna do what they say in next week's ep, I am soooooo looking forward to it!! Finally, the answer we've wanted for, like, forever!
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2007 22:46:43 GMT -5
Good point. Obviously, Kate's not seeing that from the look on her face. But she reacted emotionally to Jack looking so happy. And I don't blame her a bit; I'd have totally shared her "what the hell kind of freakin' bizarro world did I wake up in?" face in that situation. Well, it's gotta be embarassing, after convincing the other 3 to tromp thru the jungle and face all sorts of danger to save the guy. ;D
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Post by Pixi on Mar 15, 2007 8:27:53 GMT -5
"But you, John Locke, I might have a fleeting memory of. But the John Locke I knew was para..." Para WHAT? Paranoid? A paratrooper? At parahelion? WHAT? Paranormal! Parasailing! Parapants and a nice sport jacket! Too, too funny guys. Parsimonious, Parisian, Parricidal?
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Post by Sara on Mar 15, 2007 8:53:30 GMT -5
And I don't blame her a bit; I'd have totally shared her "what the hell kind of freakin' bizarro world did I wake up in?" face in that situation. Well, it's gotta be embarassing, after convincing the other 3 to tromp thru the jungle and face all sorts of danger to save the guy. ;D Exactly. As I was driving to work this morning, it occurred to me that Kate has no idea Jack knows about her hot cage sex with Sawyer (oh, to substitute "my" for "her"...); if she did, it'd probably put a different spin on what she saw. In fact, it's hard not to wonder if the Others were thinking several moves ahead of any of them. It seemed, from what Juliet said to Jack, that they knew not only he was divorced but that his wife had been unfaithful; they would therefore also know that after the divorce was final, which itself happened only after he saw her happy with another man, he completely removed himself from that life to go hang out in Thailand for a few months. We also know that they specifically took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, even though anyone who'd watched the castaways for a day or two would know they only really needed Kate if they wanted to have the necessary leverage to get Jack to help Benry. Then Benry had that little chat with Kate, ominously warning her that things were going to get very bad, and separately made Sawyer believe their situation was hopeless—meaning both of them had the fight, flight or f@%$ instinct working nearly full-time. They ratchet up the tension for a day or two, and then put Sawyer and Kate in adjoining cages. Cages Kate could easily climb in and out of—which, again, anyone who'd watched the group for any length of time would have realized—and does so, unaware of the video cameras nearby. They put Sawyer and Kate through a few days of hard labor, and beat on Sawyer to the point where Kate is forced to say she loves him to spare his life. Finally, there's what happened on the day before Ben's surgery. Kate was asked to plead Ben's case to Jack. After she failed Pickett beat up on Sawyer in front of her, then implied Sawyer was going to die the next day. Kate went into Sawyer's cage—again, something the Others seen her do—and all the stress, fear and exhaustion they'd both experienced finally had its cumulative effect. Then, for no apparent reason, Jack heard a woman's voice in the supposedly broken intercom telling him to try the door—which just happened to be unlocked. And whaddya know? Jack's cell was a hop, skip and a jump from a panel of monitors hooked up to the Alcatraz security cameras. A few minutes after that, Benry showed up and Jack agreed to do the surgery in exchange for... wait for it... being removed from the life he knew in the wake of seeing the woman he loved happy with another man. So kidnapping Sawyer in addition to Kate and Jack could very well have been about making Jack believe the decision to help Benry was his, rather than wasting time with threats and then getting an unwilling participant in a very delicate procedure. What I'm not sure of in this whole scenario is whether Pickett was a willing participant—and perhaps sacrifice—or if Benry used Pickett's grief over losing Colleen to his advantage, as Colleen's being shot by Sun was something I don't believe anyone could or would have predicted. I'm also not sure if or how deeply Juliet might have been involved in how events played out from there; her interactions with Benry always have such an interesting tension to them, particularly the ones when they're not playing to a potential audience.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 15, 2007 9:36:02 GMT -5
Paranormal! Parasailing! Parapants and a nice sport jacket! Too, too funny guys. Parsimonious, Parisian, Parricidal? Well, not peripatetic, that's for sure. How about paraplegic?
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Post by Squeemonster on Mar 15, 2007 11:08:14 GMT -5
Well, it's gotta be embarassing, after convincing the other 3 to tromp thru the jungle and face all sorts of danger to save the guy. ;D Exactly. As I was driving to work this morning, it occurred to me that Kate has no idea Jack knows about her hot cage sex with Sawyer (oh, to substitute "my" for "her"...); if she did, it'd probably put a different spin on what she saw. In fact, it's hard not to wonder if the Others were thinking several moves ahead of any of them. It seemed, from what Juliet said to Jack, that they knew not only he was divorced but that his wife had been unfaithful; they would therefore also know that after the divorce was final, which itself happened only after he saw her happy with another man, he completely removed himself from that life to go hang out in Thailand for a few months. We also know that they specifically took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, even though anyone who'd watched the castaways for a day or two would know they only really needed Kate if they wanted to have the necessary leverage to get Jack to help Benry. Then Benry had that little chat with Kate, ominously warning her that things were going to get very bad, and separately made Sawyer believe their situation was hopeless—meaning both of them had the fight, flight or f@%$ instinct working nearly full-time. They ratchet up the tension for a day or two, and then put Sawyer and Kate in adjoining cages. Cages Kate could easily climb in and out of—which, again, anyone who'd watched the group for any length of time would have realized—and does so, unaware of the video cameras nearby. They put Sawyer and Kate through a few days of hard labor, and beat on Sawyer to the point where Kate is forced to say she loves him to spare his life. Finally, there's what happened on the day before Ben's surgery. Kate was asked to plead Ben's case to Jack. After she failed Pickett beat up on Sawyer in front of her, then implied Sawyer was going to die the next day. Kate went into Sawyer's cage—again, something the Others seen her do—and all the stress, fear and exhaustion they'd both experienced finally had its cumulative effect. Then, for no apparent reason, Jack heard a woman's voice in the supposedly broken intercom telling him to try the door—which just happened to be unlocked. And whaddya know? Jack's cell was a hop, skip and a jump from a panel of monitors hooked up to the Alcatraz security cameras. A few minutes after that, Benry showed up and Jack agreed to do the surgery in exchange for... wait for it... being removed from the life he knew in the wake of seeing the woman he loved happy with another man. So kidnapping Sawyer in addition to Kate and Jack could very well have been about making Jack believe the decision to help Benry was his, rather than wasting time with threats and then getting an unwilling participant in a very delicate procedure. What I'm not sure of in this whole scenario is whether Pickett was a willing participant—and perhaps sacrifice—or if Benry used Pickett's grief over losing Colleen to his advantage, as Colleen's being shot by Sun was something I don't believe anyone could or would have predicted. I'm also not sure if or how deeply Juliet might have been involved in how events played out from there; her interactions with Benry always have such an interesting tension to them, particularly the ones when they're not playing to a potential audience. **jumps up and down like a spaz** I love this! I love your brain!! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 15, 2007 12:09:13 GMT -5
Exactly. As I was driving to work this morning, it occurred to me that Kate has no idea Jack knows about her hot cage sex with Sawyer (oh, to substitute "my" for "her"...); if she did, it'd probably put a different spin on what she saw. In fact, it's hard not to wonder if the Others were thinking several moves ahead of any of them. It seemed, from what Juliet said to Jack, that they knew not only he was divorced but that his wife had been unfaithful; they would therefore also know that after the divorce was final, which itself happened only after he saw her happy with another man, he completely removed himself from that life to go hang out in Thailand for a few months. We also know that they specifically took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, even though anyone who'd watched the castaways for a day or two would know they only really needed Kate if they wanted to have the necessary leverage to get Jack to help Benry. Then Benry had that little chat with Kate, ominously warning her that things were going to get very bad, and separately made Sawyer believe their situation was hopeless—meaning both of them had the fight, flight or f@%$ instinct working nearly full-time. They ratchet up the tension for a day or two, and then put Sawyer and Kate in adjoining cages. Cages Kate could easily climb in and out of—which, again, anyone who'd watched the group for any length of time would have realized—and does so, unaware of the video cameras nearby. They put Sawyer and Kate through a few days of hard labor, and beat on Sawyer to the point where Kate is forced to say she loves him to spare his life. Finally, there's what happened on the day before Ben's surgery. Kate was asked to plead Ben's case to Jack. After she failed Pickett beat up on Sawyer in front of her, then implied Sawyer was going to die the next day. Kate went into Sawyer's cage—again, something the Others seen her do—and all the stress, fear and exhaustion they'd both experienced finally had its cumulative effect. Then, for no apparent reason, Jack heard a woman's voice in the supposedly broken intercom telling him to try the door—which just happened to be unlocked. And whaddya know? Jack's cell was a hop, skip and a jump from a panel of monitors hooked up to the Alcatraz security cameras. A few minutes after that, Benry showed up and Jack agreed to do the surgery in exchange for... wait for it... being removed from the life he knew in the wake of seeing the woman he loved happy with another man. So kidnapping Sawyer in addition to Kate and Jack could very well have been about making Jack believe the decision to help Benry was his, rather than wasting time with threats and then getting an unwilling participant in a very delicate procedure. What I'm not sure of in this whole scenario is whether Pickett was a willing participant—and perhaps sacrifice—or if Benry used Pickett's grief over losing Colleen to his advantage, as Colleen's being shot by Sun was something I don't believe anyone could or would have predicted. I'm also not sure if or how deeply Juliet might have been involved in how events played out from there; her interactions with Benry always have such an interesting tension to them, particularly the ones when they're not playing to a potential audience. **jumps up and down like a spaz** I love this! I love your brain!! ;D I'll eetah that brain-love!! ;D
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Post by Maria on Mar 15, 2007 22:06:59 GMT -5
"Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket..."
I had forgotten about that scene. Thanks for reminding me, because I had the feeling that Christian telling her that he sang to her was supposed to evoke some kind of memory in the viewer...
LOL--That was a favorite song of mine growing up. We had Perry Como singing that on 8-track...still have it actually.
I really liked this episode. Locke has an agenda all his own, and I hope we learn more about it next week...and it looks like we might.
Emilie de Raven was really good in her breakdown scenes.
The Jack ending was a great surprise. Totally didn't see it coming...and it made me want to see more.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 16, 2007 7:49:12 GMT -5
"Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket..." I had forgotten about that scene. Thanks for reminding me, because I had the feeling that Christian telling her that he sang to her was supposed to evoke some kind of memory in the viewer... LOL--That was a favorite song of mine growing up. We had Perry Como singing that on 8-track...still have it actually. I really liked this episode. Locke has an agenda all his own, and I hope we learn more about it next week...and it looks like we might. Emilie de Raven was really good in her breakdown scenes. The Jack ending was a great surprise. Totally didn't see it coming...and it made me want to see more. Ooh, thanks! **sings, "save it for a rainy day" la la la** I've really liked the last few eps and am very much looking forward to next week's! Emilie de Raven was very good, wasn't she? Her flashback scenes as young Goth!girl felt very real.
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