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Post by Pixi on Apr 19, 2007 10:37:39 GMT -5
Well, I suppose that was only fair, given the half-nekkid Desmond moment earlier... Desmond is growing on me, as far as the cutie-pie factor . . . I like Desmond alot. Though I have to admit - Sawyer has grown on me this season. Part of it has been his portrayal while in captivity, and then his assuming the leader role on the beach and well, I'm kind of a sucker for a guy who can be smoopy. But don't worry Losties - I will not be claiming Sawyer. I just like him a lot more now.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 19, 2007 10:57:58 GMT -5
Maybe the blinky thing was the President's Escape Pod from Air Force One. Escape From Crapphole Island. Send in Snake Plisken!!! <snip> "Hi there, I'm here to swing my penis around, Jack." "We don't play every 108 minutes, the hatch is gonna explode" <snip> Hee - Snake! Perfect. And perfect description.
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Post by Karen on Apr 19, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -5
That was the funniest line of the whole ep, wasn't it? ;D ;D ;D <snip> I think my favorite line was Sawyer, to Jack & Juliet (paraphrasing, can't remember it exactly): "You two discussin' who's your favorite Other?" For some reason, that just cracked me up. That and the Jin/flashlight scene were very funny. I liked Sawyer & Jack playing ping-pong. I assume Kate was the figurative ping-pong ball. I'd say "poor Kate," but getting paddled by bouncing between those two guys doesn't really seem that cruel a fate. Yeah- that line was my favorite of last night, too. I think it was the way Josh just tossed it out there. LOL! But I lol'd at the scene with Jin and the flashlight. I guess you don't need words to get freaked out when you already know the story. Love your ping-pong metaphor.
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Post by Karen on Apr 19, 2007 15:50:22 GMT -5
no kidding! But I thought to myself. WOW! what a way to start the show! Then I was relieved that Charlie was not dead. Edit: not sure why I was relieved , Charlie is not one of my favorite characters. *shrug* Hee! I liked the opener. I thought. Okay then we're finally killing Charlie, no fuss, no muss. Good scene. And then of course it was a flash forward. *snerk* No killing the hobbit!
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Post by Sara on Apr 20, 2007 11:11:24 GMT -5
Hee! I liked the opener. I thought. Okay then we're finally killing Charlie, no fuss, no muss. Good scene. And then of course it was a flash forward. *snerk* No killing the hobbit! *suddenly hears Elmer Fudd singing "Kill the hobbit, kill the HOBbit...*
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Post by Lola m on Apr 20, 2007 22:46:29 GMT -5
More from Jensen, adding intriguing layers to what we saw: The Superman/Flash Debate Could this be a clue that foreshadows future events or illuminates past mythology? Since the early '60s, Superman and the Flash have raced each other several times for charity's sake — and to paraphrase Jack's line from last night, ''sooner or later, something always goes wrong.'' In the first race, sinister crime syndicates kidnapped the Flash during the race and replaced him with an impostor. (I'm telling you: Someone — Jack, Locke, Charlie, Desmond, someone — ain't who they currently claim to be on this show. I know it!) In the second race, Superman and the Flash raced to ''the end of the universe,'' only to learn that it was an elaborate trap (''a long con,'' per Lost) staged by super-villains hell-bent on killing the Flash. (Poor Flash! He's like the Charlie of superheroes!) Speaking of the end of the universe...
Rousseau's arrows; Ms. Hawking and her ouroboros; and Desmond's recurring commitment issues There is a notion in mythology and philosophy dating back to ancient Greece and Egypt known as eternal return, or what Friedrich Nietzsche called eternal recurrence. The idea: Time isn't linear, but cyclical (symbolized by the ouroboros), and everything and everyone essentially repeats the dramatic arc of their lives, over and over again, albeit in different ways and in different forms. For example: Desmond's broken relationship with Ruth + Desmond's broken relationship with Penelope + Desmond's catchphrase ''See you in another life, brother!'' = eternal recurrence. But here's where it gets interesting. It seems that recent theories about the birth and inevitable death of the universe allow for the possibility of time travel and various forms of ''eternal returns.'' These are complex ideas — ''Big Crunch,'' ''Time Reversal,'' and other notions advanced by Lost-cited egghead Stephen Hawking — and I'm not even going to try to summarize them. But they all utilize a few core concepts, including what physicists refer to as ''the arrows of time.'' Look 'em up.
The Bridge on the River Kwai and Catch-22 Actually, I have never seen the former, and never read the latter. But did you know that the famous whistling tune from Kwai actually had lyrics back in the day? It's true. Unfortunately, we can't print them, because they're all about...Hitler's testicles. Specifically, how Hitler and all his right-hand men either had only one testicle or no testicles at all. I could apply this to Ben and the Others, but in the name of good taste, let us note that Kwai and Catch-22 both share similar themes concerning the madness of war, and move on to...
The noodle cooker: Ruth and Naomi In ''Catch 22,'' the characters Ruth and Naomi have nothing to do with each other. But in The Bible, they are the stars of the Book of Ruth. Well, it just so happens that the book right before Ruth is the Book of Judges. The very last story in the Book of Judges is the story of a war among the tribes of Israel. The bad guy in this story: the Tribe of Benjamin. The war started over a murder that the other tribes believed needed to be avenged; it ended with the near-obliteration (''The Purge,'' perhaps?) of the Benjaminites. Here's where it gets creepy: In the aftermath, the people of Israel felt badly about wiping out Benjamin's people. So they decided to repopulate his tribe by forcing the women from another city to join the tribe of Benjamin. You know: to make babies and stuff.Whoa!!! That's . . . damn intriguing . . .
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Post by KMInfinity on Apr 21, 2007 10:23:58 GMT -5
I agree! Thanks Sara for sharing that. This is the kind of stuff I love about Lost and what will reconcile me to the Others' inclusion in the major plotlines. I'm a Jack-disliker (not a hater) and James-lover so having Kate mooning over Jack while Sawyer is available is incomprehensible to me. I didn't notice if anyone mentioned a curious glitch in Desmond's flashforward sequence (noted on Lostpedia): Though one sequence showed Charlie killed by the arrow, the following flashforward showed Charlie helping to get the parachute out of the tree. If Desmond thinks about it, this seems to suggest he's seeing visions from MULTIPLE futures. Which implies there is no predestination, but instead that the "Multiverse" version of the universe is true. (His Monk-mentor had a photo on his desk of himself with Stephen Hawking, a multiverse proponent.) If true, this means his actions based on the visions are even more unreliable. I love Desmond episodes. A recent Stephen Hawking article... tinyurl.com/2y7glt Edited to add: My bad. I skimmed too quickly. Not Stephen Hawking, but Jewelry Store Ms. Hawking.. D'oh.
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Post by Jan on Apr 21, 2007 12:39:41 GMT -5
There was the easter egg! The lady who didn't sell Desmond the ring was in the photo on the monk's desk. Whoa! Sara! you are awesome to the awesomest power of awesome! And to address a question raised earlier in the thread, Ethan was in the States when Juliet drank the Kool-Aid, and seemed to have been to the island before. So if there's something about not being able to leave, it must have to do with amount of time spent there or something. Benry had just found out about his tumor when the Others discovered they had a neurosurgeon available on the crash site. And he describes his position as leader to be a little shaky (to Locke, in Man from Tallahassee), so he might have preferred a solution that didn't require him to leave. I am really digging on this show again. ;D
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Post by Karen on Apr 21, 2007 12:46:21 GMT -5
I agree! Thanks Sara for sharing that. This is the kind of stuff I love about Lost and what will reconcile me to the Others' inclusion in the major plotlines. I'm a Jack-disliker (not a hater) and James-lover so having Kate mooning over Jack while Sawyer is available is incomprehensible to me. I didn't notice if anyone mentioned a curious glitch in Desmond's flashforward sequence (noted on Lostpedia): Though one sequence showed Charlie killed by the arrow, the following flashforward showed Charlie helping to get the parachute out of the tree. If Desmond thinks about it, this seems to suggest he's seeing visions from MULTIPLE futures. Which implies there is no predestination, but instead that the "Multiverse" version of the universe is true. (His Monk-mentor had a photo on his desk of himself with Stephen Hawking, a multiverse proponent.) If true, this means his actions based on the visions are even more unreliable. I love Desmond episodes. A recent Stephen Hawking article... tinyurl.com/2y7glt Edited to add: My bad. I skimmed too quickly. Not Stephen Hawking, but Jewelry Store Ms. Hawking.. D'oh. Same dif, eh? I wonder what she is to the monk. Sister? Doesn't look old enough to be his mother. Maybe old girlfriend? I think it's odd he'd have a reminder on his desk, if that was the case. If it is the case, it could explain her odd behavior towards Desmond - as in maybe she had been jilted by the monk and was acting out her frustration, or did she just happen to know his history or maybe is related to Desmond's Ruth?
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Post by Jan on Apr 21, 2007 13:15:10 GMT -5
I agree! Thanks Sara for sharing that. This is the kind of stuff I love about Lost and what will reconcile me to the Others' inclusion in the major plotlines. I'm a Jack-disliker (not a hater) and James-lover so having Kate mooning over Jack while Sawyer is available is incomprehensible to me. I didn't notice if anyone mentioned a curious glitch in Desmond's flashforward sequence (noted on Lostpedia): Though one sequence showed Charlie killed by the arrow, the following flashforward showed Charlie helping to get the parachute out of the tree. If Desmond thinks about it, this seems to suggest he's seeing visions from MULTIPLE futures. Which implies there is no predestination, but instead that the "Multiverse" version of the universe is true. (His Monk-mentor had a photo on his desk of himself with Stephen Hawking, a multiverse proponent.) If true, this means his actions based on the visions are even more unreliable. I love Desmond episodes. A recent Stephen Hawking article... tinyurl.com/2y7glt Edited to add: My bad. I skimmed too quickly. Not Stephen Hawking, but Jewelry Store Ms. Hawking.. D'oh. Same dif, eh? I wonder what she is to the monk. Sister? Doesn't look old enough to be his mother. Maybe old girlfriend? I think it's odd he'd have a reminder on his desk, if that was the case. If it is the case, it could explain her odd behavior towards Desmond - as in maybe she had been jilted by the monk and was acting out her frustration, or did she just happen to know his history or maybe is related to Desmond's Ruth? But however she's related to the monk, she must have told him that Desmond's destiny was not at the monastery. Because even getting drunk in the wine cellar wouldn't have caused expulsion on the spot from any monastery I've ever heard of. She knew that Desmond wasn't *supposed* to buy the ring, so she knew about his *destiny.*
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 21, 2007 17:43:33 GMT -5
Same dif, eh? I wonder what she is to the monk. Sister? Doesn't look old enough to be his mother. Maybe old girlfriend? I think it's odd he'd have a reminder on his desk, if that was the case. If it is the case, it could explain her odd behavior towards Desmond - as in maybe she had been jilted by the monk and was acting out her frustration, or did she just happen to know his history or maybe is related to Desmond's Ruth? But however she's related to the monk, she must have told him that Desmond's destiny was not at the monastery. Because even getting drunk in the wine cellar wouldn't have caused expulsion on the spot from any monastery I've ever heard of. She knew that Desmond wasn't *supposed* to buy the ring, so she knew about his *destiny.* Very true! I did have the impression, even without noticing the pic of the lady on the monk's desk, that he was letting Desmond go for deeper reasons than having a bad day and getting drunk in the wine cellar. He did seem to know that the monastery was just not for Desmond. And I must agree with said monk. Desmond does not belong in a monastery. What do they call the head monk . . . the Abbot? Is that right? I no longer remember this sort of stuff very well. I am a disgrace to my blue and white and gray plaid jumper. I should see if I can find a picture of our old HS uniforms on the web somewhere . . .
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 21, 2007 19:12:52 GMT -5
Teaser
Why is Charlie taking his guitar with him, wherever he's going?
Where the hell are they going?
Superman vs the Flash. Hee!
One of Rousseau's boobie traps?
Holy shit! Oh, one of Desmond's flashes.
The wire? Oh, that cable. Cool.
Some one's coming. That's nice and vague.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 21, 2007 19:27:19 GMT -5
Part I Desmond in prison? No, a monastery. WTF? HE'S A MONK? ?!!!!!!!! Nobody thinks much of Desmond, do they? Now you're one of us. Welcome, Bother. And Desmond has a new catchphrase. Taped ankle. Nice callback. Like a jigsaw puzzle. If I tell you that, it'll change the picture on the box. Which you don't know what it is. Trying to make something happen rather than prevent it. Still within that 1 week probation period. Awkward. They saw one of the cameras? I don't remember that. Jin's voice is sexy. Why isn't Sayid a part of this? He discovered the cable too. That's why he has his guitar. Still kind of dumb to not put it in a case.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 21, 2007 19:36:47 GMT -5
Part II
Hee, whistling "The Bridge on the River Kwai."
A vineyard.
Moriah.
Ah, causal loop. A test.
Perhaps you underestimate the value of sacrifice.
Who is this? Does this get him kicked out?
Being out of the cage.
Dishes in the ocean? I hope they rinse with fresh water after that.
I really hope they go for a threesome because this double flirtiness is annoying.
Jealous. So she turns to Sawyer.
Jin telling a ghost story, in Korean, which nobody understands. AWESOME.
About Penny.
"with enough money and determination, you can find anyone." nice callback.
Helicopter.
Still joyous at the prospect of rescue at this point.
It crashed because of the magnetic thingy?
Blinking lights.
OMG, what?!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 21, 2007 19:47:53 GMT -5
Part III
Desmond thinks it's Penny. Bet it's not.
Desmond's going to sacrifice Charlie for who he thinks is Penny.
This is Penny's sister? No, some one else's sister.
Ruth, Biblical.
Who is she?
What did Desmond do? He walked out on their wedding? Damn.
Another moment of losing time. So he's going to flash back to that part of his life again, at some point on the show.
A greater calling. Sacrifice.
No, my dad taught me how to drink. Ouch. But Juliet knew that already.
You two arguing over who's your favorite Other. Hee!
Sawyer finally found a way to win against Jack. Or not.
If we don't play every 108 minutes, the island's gonna explode. Hee!!!
Saved his life three times. Denying him three times.
And the rain comes.
Hula girl.
Catch-22.
Satellite phone. But it's dad. Damn.
The picture. So I guess it is Penny?
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