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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 23:01:39 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but I noticed his phone was anachronistic!!! But I completely FAILED to see the significance! AWESOME guessing, Sara! What did it for me, were the maps. All of the south Pacific. I figured at that point he was looking for the Island and planning how to get back. Plus? The teeeeeeeeeeny phone did the trick. Too bad the cars weren't from the future.  Yeah. When am I gonna get my flying car? |
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 23:02:38 GMT -5
Oh, and: Holy Crap! (Obviously I have nothing useful or substantial to contribute to a meaningful discussion just want to share in the general holy crapness of the moment!)  **joins the holy crap puppy pile hug** |
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Post by Sara on May 23, 2007 23:03:51 GMT -5
So. First thought: for the past three seasons, we've been watching Jack's do-over, his chance to fix his mistake. Christian is obviously still alive in BeardedJack's future, but we saw his corpse when Jack ID'ed him at the morgue in Australia. This is a somewhat big discrepancy. And the only way I can get that to start making sense is if BeardedJack's future was the equivalent of FutureHiro's world: ie a world in which something catastrophic happened, bad enough to make Jack suicidal and alcoholic. Say, for example, that BeardedJack boarded flight 815 not with his father's body in the hold but with Christian sitting in the seat next to him. Kate was still on the plane, obviously, and who knows who else. They crash on the island of the weird, make that call, get rescued, etc. Yet that turns out to be the worst possible outcome. Enter Desmond. We know he's been able to see visions of the future, and it seems pretty certain he did, at least for a while, travel back to his own past. A past where he ended up changing the future he remembered: like saving the barkeep from taking a cricket bat in the head. In doing so, he caused the bartender's life to unfold very differently than it would have. Maybe even differently enough that years later, in Sydney, Australia, instead of a barkeep who cuts Christian off there was instead a bartender who didn't, resulting in Christian's death rather than just another bad bender. Without his dad on the island with him, and the guilt of his role in his father's fate, Jack's actions and decisions undoubtedly play out in ways unlike when BeardedJack crashed. Moreover, because of his gift Desmond now knows Naomi's people aren't with Penny. Meaning Jack and the Losties won't be waiting to welcome their 'rescuers' with open arms, even though BeardedJack's words about how they shouldn't have left the island suggest they went willingly. So it appears we have yet another way in which BeardedJack's past on the island was unlike what we've seen unfold. So, yeah, I think the three months we've watched are happening very, very differently from what happened in BeardedJack's reality. And I'm pretty sure I had more, but it's midnight and my brain is totally shutting down on me. |
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 23:04:00 GMT -5
Oh, and: Holy Crap! (Obviously I have nothing useful or substantial to contribute to a meaningful discussion just want to share in the general holy crapness of the moment!) Hee! It's wacked. Jack's future looks pretty grim. No wonder he wants to go back to the island. I wonder what happened since they all (or most) came back. I guess we'll see that next season. Get them off the island for a while. Ooooh, that would be cool. I'm thinking, they stay on the island, but we get flash!forwards along with flash!backs. With lots of "put the puzzle together" moments. |
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 23:05:59 GMT -5
I am confused, ROFL. IF this was a flash foward then how the hell is his dad alive? Right now? I'm going with a "game reset" thingee. Or else? Lots and lots of pills and liquor have just messed Jack's mind up so bad that he refers to his dead dad as alive. Or, you know. Space aliens!  |
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2007 23:08:53 GMT -5
So. First thought: for the past three seasons, we've been watching Jack's do-over, his chance to fix his mistake. Christian is obviously still alive in BeardedJack's future, but we saw his corpse when Jack ID'ed him at the morgue in Australia. This is a somewhat big discrepancy. And the only way I can get that to start making sense is if BeardedJack's future was the equivalent of FutureHiro's world: ie a world in which something catastrophic happened, bad enough to make Jack suicidal and alcoholic. Say, for example, that BeardedJack boarded flight 815 not with his father's body in the hold but with Christian sitting in the seat next to him. Kate was still on the plane, obviously, and who knows who else. They crash on the island of the weird, make that call, get rescued, etc. Yet that turns out to be the worst possible outcome. Enter Desmond. We know he's been able to see visions of the future, and it seems pretty certain he did, at least for a while, travel back to his own past. A past where he ended up changing the future he remembered: like saving the barkeep from taking a cricket bat in the head. In doing so, he caused the bartender's life to unfold very differently than it would have. Maybe even differently enough that years later, in Sydney, Australia, instead of a barkeep who cuts Christian off there was instead a bartender who didn't, resulting in Christian's death rather than just another bad bender. Without his dad on the island with him, and the guilt of his role in his father's fate, Jack's actions and decisions undoubtedly play out in ways unlike when BeardedJack crashed. Moreover, because of his gift Desmond now knows Naomi's people aren't with Penny. Meaning Jack and the Losties won't be waiting to welcome their 'rescuers' with open arms, even though BeardedJack's words about how they shouldn't have left the island suggest they went willingly. So it appears we have yet another way in which BeardedJack's past on the island was unlike what we've seen unfold. So, yeah, I think the three months we've watched are happening very, very differently from what happened in BeardedJack's reality. And I'm pretty sure I had more, but it's midnight and my brain is totally shutting down on me. Hey, it's a theory! And a good one! 'Cuz right now? All I got is "pixie dust" or "hallucinagenic island bananas" or "they're all a figment of Rousseau's imagination because she's gone crazy on an island all alone". |
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Post by Sara on May 23, 2007 23:08:57 GMT -5
I am confused, ROFL. IF this was a flash foward then how the hell is his dad alive? Right now? I'm going with a "game reset" thingee. Or else? Lots and lots of pills and liquor have just messed Jack's mind up so bad that he refers to his dead dad as alive.
Or, you know. Space aliens! Yeah, but neither the doctor who confronted him nor the pharmacist batted an eye when Jack spoke of his father in the present tense. You'd think one of the two would have said "Uh, Jack? Your dad's been dead for years. Now, let's go get you fitted for this nice new jacket... Yes, that's right: it buckles in the back..." |
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Post by jeff on May 23, 2007 23:11:24 GMT -5
Hee! It's wacked. Jack's future looks pretty grim. No wonder he wants to go back to the island. I wonder what happened since they all (or most) came back. I guess we'll see that next season. Get them off the island for a while. Ooooh, that would be cool. I'm thinking, they stay on the island, but we get flash!forwards along with flash!backs. With lots of "put the puzzle together" moments. quite frankly I am tired of putting puzzle pieces together, I mean this makes no sense to me. If his father is alive and this is some furture Hiro moment that has to be changed then I have wasted the last 3 years of my life watching something that may not have happened. I will be beyond pissed if that is the case. If his father didn't die then he had to be on the Island with Jack, which he is not, although now that I think of it, we did see Jack's father on the Island back in season 1. Jack even talked to him. So there could be some interdimensional rift working here. But all they did was throw another WTF at me, and quite frankly I am glad for the break from the show. It is good and frustrating at the same time. |
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Post by jeff on May 23, 2007 23:18:15 GMT -5
I think a good possiblility is Future Jack, made a decision to get them off the Island and he had to sacrifice lives or leave others behind, Or perhaps only a few got off and he is feeling guilty about it and wants to go back and find the island to actually rescue the others. This makes more plausible sense than a time rift or future Hiro scenario. But nothing this show has done has made sense.
I liked Charlies Death. It was a good death
Loved seeing Walt again.
Absolutely hated that it was a flash foward episode that raises more questions. hated it.
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Post by jeff on May 23, 2007 23:26:19 GMT -5
I know it means nothing , at least I think it means nothing, but did anyone else notice Sarah was pregnant?
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Post by fish1941 on May 23, 2007 23:31:37 GMT -5
What was the purpose of the Others' actions for the past three seasons?
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Post by RAKSHA on May 23, 2007 23:36:26 GMT -5
Very suspenseful finale, with a lot of good stuff in it -
1. The Island manifesting as Walt to bring Locke out of the pit
2. Charlie being strong and heroic and dying bravely, heroically (and accomplishing something - telling Desmond that Naomi is a fraud); though I'd still rather he'd have lived and squealing Bernard had died.
3. Sayid and Jin survived!
4. Hurley comes to save the day! Wheeeeee!
5. Great Locke/Jack confrontation - Locke refuses to murder Jack
6. Sayid Lives!!!
What I Didn't Like:
1. Juliet lived while Charlie died. 
2. Sniveling squealing Bernard
3. The flashback turning out to be a flash-forward - hasn't the show got enough mysteries without one that's made unfathomable by the apparent survival of Jack's father? (parallel world future???) I fear that many watchers will be turned off by the excessive weirdness and not return to the show in February.
GAIL 
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Post by jeff on May 23, 2007 23:52:00 GMT -5
I stopped my DVR on the paper that Jack was looking at right before he walked in the funeral home. from what Icould read it looked to say
The body of Jo.... from Grand....
Was found ....
that was really all I could get , so I am going with John was in the casket as well. but who the hell really knows.
my problem with that is I don't see John leaving the Island. So he had to be forced to go.
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Post by Matthew on May 23, 2007 23:52:36 GMT -5
Oh, and: Holy Crap! (Obviously I have nothing useful or substantial to contribute to a meaningful discussion just want to share in the general holy crapness of the moment!) *adores Sue* *shares in holy crapness with her* ;D |
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Post by jeff on May 23, 2007 23:53:36 GMT -5
What was the purpose of the Others' actions for the past three seasons? If this is some alternate reality that can be changed by some action from someone , then what is the point of anyones actions over the last 3 years. especially our action of watching the show. Can you tell I am frustrated? ROFL |
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