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Post by fish1941 on May 23, 2007 23:54:59 GMT -5
Again, does anyone know the purpose behind the Others' actions for the past 3 years?
If I were Bernard, I would have squealed too.
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Post by Matthew on May 23, 2007 23:59:10 GMT -5
She did! I think it was Jack's beard. We figure that Sawyer is in the coffin and that Kate is now with Nathan (Fillion). What a frickin' flip. I still can't believe it. Ooooh, yeah. Nathan! Or, no, she's living with . . . wait for it . . . Locke's father! But he got killed in the... *stops, standing there, waving finger, realizing he has NO idea how the new rules apply* *goes back to the non-coherent "holy crap!" group bonding experience*
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Post by jeff on May 24, 2007 0:00:41 GMT -5
John telling Jack "Your not supposed to do this." leads me to believe he has been shown a glimpse of this possible outcome by Walt or Jacob.
I really need to quit analyzing this frakking show.
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Post by Matthew on May 24, 2007 0:00:54 GMT -5
Again, does anyone know the purpose behind the Others' actions for the past 3 years?If I were Bernard, I would have squealed too. Inducing us to keep watching and buying consumer products. As far as in-show? NO clue. I think they are trying to serve the Island as a spiritual entity, surrendering to its will.
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Post by Matthew on May 24, 2007 0:02:15 GMT -5
Yep, he's a little seeky. Aw. The doctor's gonna have a come-to-jeebus meeting with him. And the doctor runs any witnesses out. "Series of events that caused her accident" Oh, she lost control of her car because of him, and the guy in the van was the one that hit her. The funeral he went to. "You don't know me" isn't the right response. "Get my father down here, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me" wow, that's a way to inspire confidence. God, all you can do with someone like that is pity him. "Attention Others" "You best stay away from our beach!" AWESOME!! Second. Best. Moment. Evah! ;D Yeah. They're really bad at that. This is what I'm sayin'! Hey, maybe they are rival gangs! Like the sharks and the jets! So, they'll be a dancing showdown next season! Oh, or they are the Dharma folk, come to take the island back, by gum! YES! That's it! Next season is gonna be 13 episodes of musicals!!!! Woohoo!!! *gots nothin* *is all excited and happy and confused with the nothing-gotness*
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Post by Matthew on May 24, 2007 0:06:26 GMT -5
So. First thought: for the past three seasons, we've been watching Jack's do-over, his chance to fix his mistake. Christian is obviously still alive in BeardedJack's future, but we saw his corpse when Jack ID'ed him at the morgue in Australia. This is a somewhat big discrepancy. And the only way I can get that to start making sense is if BeardedJack's future was the equivalent of FutureHiro's world: ie a world in which something catastrophic happened, bad enough to make Jack suicidal and alcoholic. Say, for example, that BeardedJack boarded flight 815 not with his father's body in the hold but with Christian sitting in the seat next to him. Kate was still on the plane, obviously, and who knows who else. They crash on the island of the weird, make that call, get rescued, etc. Yet that turns out to be the worst possible outcome. Enter Desmond. We know he's been able to see visions of the future, and it seems pretty certain he did, at least for a while, travel back to his own past. A past where he ended up changing the future he remembered: like saving the barkeep from taking a cricket bat in the head. In doing so, he caused the bartender's life to unfold very differently than it would have. Maybe even differently enough that years later, in Sydney, Australia, instead of a barkeep who cuts Christian off there was instead a bartender who didn't, resulting in Christian's death rather than just another bad bender. Without his dad on the island with him, and the guilt of his role in his father's fate, Jack's actions and decisions undoubtedly play out in ways unlike when BeardedJack crashed. Moreover, because of his gift Desmond now knows Naomi's people aren't with Penny. Meaning Jack and the Losties won't be waiting to welcome their 'rescuers' with open arms, even though BeardedJack's words about how they shouldn't have left the island suggest they went willingly. So it appears we have yet another way in which BeardedJack's past on the island was unlike what we've seen unfold. So, yeah, I think the three months we've watched are happening very, very differently from what happened in BeardedJack's reality. And I'm pretty sure I had more, but it's midnight and my brain is totally shutting down on me. *Nods* I was thinking about the ripples from the Butterfly Effect changes Desmond was making spreading outward.. first thought about it with Nikki and Paulo, wondering if they were time-shifted. But that turned out not to be the case. Anyways, this would cover the "Dr. Christian Shepard" comments if Jack isn't just insane. But have the last three months been the do-over or the.... gosh, I dunno: Jack can't have had any forekn... *brain 'splodes with squishy noise*
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Post by Matthew on May 24, 2007 0:07:15 GMT -5
John telling Jack "Your not supposed to do this." leads me to believe he has been shown a glimpse of this possible outcome by Walt or Jacob. I really need to quit analyzing this frakking show. GOOD idea! No, please, continue! This is good stuff!!!
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2007 0:17:55 GMT -5
I hate this show. So...when's the season premiere?
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2007 0:20:09 GMT -5
Scoop from producer Damon Lindelof on the five things you WON'T see in tonight's episode, courtesy of EW.com: 5. Rose quietly snuffing the life out of Bernard by holding his nostrils closed while looking distractedly at Aaron's car seat. *shivers in fear at the idea of the #1* What was five, Desperate Housewives, or Ugly Betty? Sopranos, actually.
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2007 0:22:20 GMT -5
Bearded Jack on a plane, not happy, drinking. Flashback to . . . but he looks older? Grey in beard . . . flash forward maybe? Dude, you're brilliant. Seriously.
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Post by fish1941 on May 24, 2007 0:22:46 GMT -5
What the hell is this damn show about? I can understand the producers/writers keeping it a mystery during the first two seasons or so. But with the strong focus upon the Others this season, they should have revealed some of the mysteries by now. What the hell is it about? What is the objective of Ben and the Others?
Why isn't Kate behind bars in the future?
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Post by Rob on May 24, 2007 1:01:21 GMT -5
What the hell is this damn show about? I can understand the producers/writers keeping it a mystery during the first two seasons or so. But with the strong focus upon the Others this season, they should have revealed some of the mysteries by now. What the hell is it about? What is the objective of Ben and the Others? You're starting to remind me of the the guy in Poe's "The Raven." Clearly the bird only knows the word "nevermore," so the guy spends the entire poem indulging himself in a massive self-pity party, repeating questions which he knows can't be answered in any other way. If you keep asking the same question about the Others, right now all of us can only provide one answer. We have no way of knowing. Nobody does, aside from those who write the show. Now, if you want to read some speculation and contribute some of your own, please do so. Sara, for example, had a mind-bending idea a couple of pages back regarding this whole adventure as some sort of cosmic do-over for Jack (oversimplifying, but that's the gist. I think . This show demands an extreme amount of patience...perhaps more than anything else I've watched. Problem is, when a show takes 5-6 full years to play out, it's nearly always underwhelming once questions DO get answered. "Alias," another Abrams creation, had many of the same weaknesses: one convoluted plot on top of the other, with so many threads to connect, one eventually throws up his or her hands and gives up trying. So you're left with two choices: 1. Enjoy the fact that while this appears to be a mess, it's at least a very entertaining mess. Ride it out and hope to catch illumination at some point, while remaining prepared for disappointment. 2. Cut bait and move on. I've chosen the former, though I understand the frustration of those who choose the latter.
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Post by Pixi on May 24, 2007 6:32:28 GMT -5
I'm only gonna say this once: Sara called it! The scenes of bearded Jack were from his future! She called it at the beginning of the ep!How was that, Sara? ;D Well done Sara. I'm reading through the thread before I start bombarding you geniuses with questions because color me confused.
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Post by Pixi on May 24, 2007 6:39:10 GMT -5
Charlie!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I know. It's, like, he knows he's gonna die and then, hey - maybe not - but, oops, yes. Yes you do die. Well I've been calling for the hobbit death for awhile but that? Was all kinds of awesome. The last two eps have completely redeemed Charlie to me and I applaud the producers for not being wieinie about this. He had to die. And he did die. Magnificently. RIP Charlie.
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Post by Pixi on May 24, 2007 6:41:46 GMT -5
Holy Crap. (And that's not a phrase I use often or lightly.) Haven't watched all season but that last few minutes was worth the entire 2 hours. Holy Crap. (And, I haven't watched in a while but I think Jack's acting has improved.) Excuse me for not watching carefully---do we know who's funeral it was? (I'll guess John's?) Holy crap. Funeral lead performer is still anyone's guess, I think. And yeah. Holy crap! ;D It better not be Sawyer. He was magnificent this episode. Somehow, Sawyer you are winning me over this season. Great combo of woobie with ruthless. He is completely my Logan of Season 1 Veronica (and the very last moments of VM). Nice job JH.
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