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Post by Karen on Nov 9, 2004 21:45:52 GMT -5
Was anyone else annoyed that she just dived right into investigation mode when she first saw the signs of a disturbance in the neighbor's house WITHOUT telling her dad or (somewhat understandably) the police? Also....I'm a little disturbed that she has incorporated intimidation by her own private motorcyle mafia so thoroughly into her modus operandi... Not that I wouldn't use any excuse to have weevil ride up myself. (not ride up my...oh you know what I mean. *grin*) Hee! I think I do, know what you mean. I think it's interesting how Weevil takes any excuse to ride to V's 'rescue'. If Lily is his half-sister, and Veronica is Lily's half sister, they would be kind of related. Or not.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 21:47:12 GMT -5
A little creeped, but now of course I'm wondering how much of that was just to set us up like Veronica to think he was a bad guy. But, does he just go around "saving" girls with troubles? 'Cuz that's a little, well . . . . And did Lilly and Duncan stumble on something icky about Veronica, or just something icky in their own family and they were trying to keep V away from it? Lola I think the artist just loved her - (the pregnant girl) and put up with her (completely understandable) crazies - after all, she put up with those eyes on the wall behind the bed...
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Post by Karen on Nov 9, 2004 21:47:50 GMT -5
**hyperventilating** Can't . . . keep . . . track. Too many possibilities. Brain going boom. So, we didn't get any straight out facts about Lilly's murder, but what elements of this story were supposed to be commenting on our character's lives? There's too many!!! (Step)dad's molesting their daughters; violence against their children; hints of various possible blood connections; boyfriends that maybe are bad or maybe are good; secrets that should stay secret; bad girls that really aren't bad but instead have some horrible secret at home; breaks ups that aren't about what they seem to be about; etc. etc. Ahhhhhh! Lola ;D Good stuff, Maynard.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 21:48:55 GMT -5
LOL! That goodness was hard to miss. Weevil and Logan had a 'moment'. Of course, now they're back to being 'enemies'. Their scenes in detention had a very "Breakfast Club" feel to them. yes! Very much so (Breakfast Club) but I don't think they are back to being enemies. I think Logan bought the 'little sister' thing - and I think Sue is right - he was telling the truth. I like having a theory even if I find out it's wrong next week. I always wanted to be a detective too. *grin*
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 21:52:21 GMT -5
Hee! I think I do, know what you mean. I think it's interesting how Weevil takes any excuse to ride to V's 'rescue'. If Lily is his half-sister, and Veronica is Lily's half sister, they would be kind of related. Or not. you realize we're speculating Veronica out of EVERY possible boyfriend don't you? Let's make a pact. Logan is NOT related to ANYONE in the Mars, Kane or ...whatever-weevil's-last-name-is family.
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Post by Rob on Nov 9, 2004 21:56:28 GMT -5
I smell red herring...and it isn't coming from my fridge. It all fits, of course...Duncan's inexplicable silent treatment (not to mention his need for meds), the continuing relationship between Jake and Veronica's mom that we "saw" in the pilot episode. That's what bothers me. This show has set a pattern of throwing you a bone that turns out to be a mere chew toy, while the steak remains elusive. I'm of the opinion that this episode's clues were deliberately meant to confuse rather than illuminate. The answer is complex, no doubt...but not THIS complex. Plus, none of it sheds any light on Lily's murder, or its motive. I haven't counted the episodes, but we're probably what...on number seven or so? Yet we've heard absolutely nothing about Veronica's rape since the pilot. Even tonight, when the subject was mentioned, her narration made no reference to it. I wonder if they're simply dropping that plot line altogether? If so...I would actually be fine with that. It always felt a bit like overkill anyway; her boyfriend dumps her with no explanation, her best friend is brutally slain, her father is humiliated over it, her mother deserts her (again with no explanation)... Isn't that fodder for more than enough angst and mystery? The rape subplot felt like it was unnecessarily piled on at the time; at this stage it feels even more so. In short, we plainly have plenty of plot on our plate at present. Say that last sentence five times really fast. That's all I've got. Good evening, S'cubies. P.S. You know, now that I think about it, there IS some sort of smell from my fridge. Month-old leftover Egg Foo Yung, perhaps. I'll research further and get back to you.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2004 21:59:40 GMT -5
Hee! I think I do, know what you mean. I think it's interesting how Weevil takes any excuse to ride to V's 'rescue'. If Lily is his half-sister, and Veronica is Lily's half sister, they would be kind of related. Or not. OMG - the whole high school is turning into some giant incestuous mosh pit! ;D ;D If any of this does turn out to be true I will be going seriously crazy trying to draw the family tree, dude! Lola
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Post by Rob on Nov 9, 2004 22:01:51 GMT -5
I think the artist just loved her - (the pregnant girl) and put up with her (completely understandable) crazies - after all, she put up with those eyes on the wall behind the bed... Right. The artist. I was glad to see he was a faithful good guy; it proves that old adage: getting knocked out a coupla times with a tree branch while in college can be a useful attitude adjuster.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2004 22:02:10 GMT -5
yes! Very much so (Breakfast Club) but I don't think they are back to being enemies. I think Logan bought the 'little sister' thing - and I think Sue is right - he was telling the truth. I like having a theory even if I find out it's wrong next week. I always wanted to be a detective too. *grin* Hey, I always wanted to be Nancy Drew. I know, it was bunnies! Lola I'm also wondering. I mean, up to now, we've gotten the impression that Duncan broke up with V. because she sided with her dad. So is that totally not true because they broke up before Lilly was killed? Or did they get back together and then Lilly was killed and then they broke up again?
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2004 22:05:11 GMT -5
you realize we're speculating Veronica out of EVERY possible boyfriend don't you? Let's make a pact. Logan is NOT related to ANYONE in the Mars, Kane or ...whatever-weevil's-last-name-is family. Yes. Logan will therefore remain a possible romantic figure for everyone on the show. As it should be. Lola And I really must go to bed soon. I have 4, count them, 4 meetings tomorrow - 3 of which are classes that I am doing at least some part of the leading / teaching. Arrrgghhh!
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2004 22:09:35 GMT -5
I smell red herring...and it isn't coming from my fridge. It all fits, of course...Duncan's inexplicable silent treatment (not to mention his need for meds), the continuing relationship between Jake and Veronica's mom that we "saw" in the pilot episode. That's what bothers me. This show has set a pattern of throwing you a bone that turns out to be a mere chew toy, while the steak remains elusive. I'm of the opinion that this episode's clues were deliberately meant to confuse rather than illuminate. The answer is complex, no doubt...but not THIS complex. Plus, none of it sheds any light on Lily's murder, or its motive. I haven't counted the episodes, but we're probably what...on number seven or so? Yet we've heard absolutely nothing about Veronica's rape since the pilot. Even tonight, when the subject was mentioned, her narration made no reference to it. I wonder if they're simply dropping that plot line altogether? If so...I would actually be fine with that. It always felt a bit like overkill anyway; her boyfriend dumps her with no explanation, her best friend is brutally slain, her father is humiliated over it, her mother deserts her (again with no explanation)... Isn't that fodder for more than enough angst and mystery? The rape subplot felt like it was unnecessarily piled on at the time; at this stage it feels even more so. In short, we plainly have plenty of plot on our plate at present. Say that last sentence five times really fast. That's all I've got. Good evening, S'cubies. P.S. You know, now that I think about it, there IS some sort of smell from my fridge. Month-old leftover Egg Foo Yung, perhaps. I'll research further and get back to you. **nods, nods, nods over all of this** Except the fridge part. Mine just smells like mushroom soup. ;D I didn't care for the rape subplot of the first ep either. Seemed like, as you said, overkill. I thought they could have come up with a perfectly fine motive for her to really dislike the new sherrif guy without it. And of course they haven't mentioned it (directly) again. Which might or might not make the rape element of this nights story important - or totally not. Are they dropping it as a main point? Will it turn out to be very importan because they aren't highlighting it, so it is part of what they are trying to distract us from with all their many dizzying plotty bits tonight? Hmmmmmm. Lola
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 22:32:34 GMT -5
I smell red herring...and it isn't coming from my fridge. It all fits, of course...Duncan's inexplicable silent treatment (not to mention his need for meds), the continuing relationship between Jake and Veronica's mom that we "saw" in the pilot episode. That's what bothers me. This show has set a pattern of throwing you a bone that turns out to be a mere chew toy, while the steak remains elusive. I'm of the opinion that this episode's clues were deliberately meant to confuse rather than illuminate. The answer is complex, no doubt...but not THIS complex. Plus, none of it sheds any light on Lily's murder, or its motive. I haven't counted the episodes, but we're probably what...on number seven or so? Yet we've heard absolutely nothing about Veronica's rape since the pilot. Even tonight, when the subject was mentioned, her narration made no reference to it. I wonder if they're simply dropping that plot line altogether? If so...I would actually be fine with that. It always felt a bit like overkill anyway; her boyfriend dumps her with no explanation, her best friend is brutally slain, her father is humiliated over it, her mother deserts her (again with no explanation)... Isn't that fodder for more than enough angst and mystery? The rape subplot felt like it was unnecessarily piled on at the time; at this stage it feels even more so. In short, we plainly have plenty of plot on our plate at present. Say that last sentence five times really fast. That's all I've got. Good evening, S'cubies. P.S. You know, now that I think about it, there IS some sort of smell from my fridge. Month-old leftover Egg Foo Yung, perhaps. I'll research further and get back to you. I managed to say it three times. The bones they threw tonight might not have seemed to help solve the murder, but there are many mysteries that 'seem' to have been opened up a bit - the mystery of Weevil and Lily, of Duncan and Veronica's mysterious breakup...of the reason why Jake and Veronica's mom (what IS her name?) were seen together... and I want NO dropped plot lines. You don't have the heroine of the show raped and then forget about it. Huh huh. I'd be royally ticked off never to find out who did that. And perhaps that mystery is related to the murder..
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 22:33:41 GMT -5
Right. The artist. I was glad to see he was a faithful good guy; it proves that old adage: getting knocked out a coupla times with a tree branch while in college can be a useful attitude adjuster. wait....are you saying....the artist is....SAYID?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 22:34:31 GMT -5
Hey, I always wanted to be Nancy Drew. I know, it was bunnies! Lola I'm also wondering. I mean, up to now, we've gotten the impression that Duncan broke up with V. because she sided with her dad. So is that totally not true because they broke up before Lilly was killed? Or did they get back together and then Lilly was killed and then they broke up again? let's go with the one breakup. My head SO hurts....*grin*
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 9, 2004 22:34:55 GMT -5
Yes. Logan will therefore remain a possible romantic figure for everyone on the show. As it should be. Lola And I really must go to bed soon. I have 4, count them, 4 meetings tomorrow - 3 of which are classes that I am doing at least some part of the leading / teaching. Arrrgghhh! goodnight Lola, who has already left...
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