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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:46:04 GMT -5
(Wasn't This Discussed Waaaay Down the Misc. Board?) Alexandra - you crack me up.
And ah yes, it brings a tear to my eye to remember our humble beginnings from Spike's pants. I think several of us were trying to decide if Dru mixed them up with Angel's pants in the laundry, and whose pants were bigger, where and how.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:47:45 GMT -5
(and Nan)
OK ellie. . .on the fiction, I'll give it a try with what happened after the musical fade out, and see if I can come up with anything I want to share.
On Barb C . . . I confess I read that "Letter to ME" months ago, but well, it was letter to ME - i.e., it was directed at ME, not just a general critique of bad behavior.
Really, though, my reluctance is all about me. I could easily tell from Barb's "Letter" that she is a talented writer, and she made many points I agreed with. I am just so touchy on this subject of "Buffy should have been written peppier, nicer" in Season 6.
Instead of feeling like it would be no big deal to check it out, it feels like I will be very upset for hours if I read something I don't like. Christ, I am a fruitcake! But there you go. As Cordela said about Buffy in "I Only Have Eyes for You": "Over-identify much?"
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:48:44 GMT -5
Ellie and anybody else who's interested, Barb Cummings' own site is at: www.towermountain.net/barb/Submenus take you into her various foci of fiction, which extend far beyond BtVS. Some of her work is also posted at the All About Spike site (along with smaller works of several writers I've been impressed with, Peasant and Coquette, in particular--worth sampling their work on that site and then pursuing it to the individual sites, as I did with Barb's). The All About Spike site is at www.allaboutspike.com/Barb's first B/S novel is "A Raising in the Sun," an alternative scenario for getting Buffy back from death; its follow-up (and in my opinion better) novel is "Necessary Evils," whose final chapter is still lacking and being impatiently awaited by those of us who have read the rest. Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:50:16 GMT -5
I don't think knowing when new episodes air is spoilery, I think its essential. So if you want to know Lee, email me and I'll tell you. I'm staying spoiler free of the last 3 eps, but I do know when stuff airs.
Patti T,
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:51:33 GMT -5
Again, Spring, don't let me or anyone else nag you into reading fanfic if you just plain don't want to. I talked myself into surfing spoilers and made myself miserable, with nobody to blame but myself--a vaguely analogous situation, in terms of its outcome.
How about this: Necessary Evils is about the best B/S fanfiction I've ever read (in that sense, the "historical" pieces, however excellent, don't count because Buffy wasn't born of thought of in their timeframe). However, the situation in the tale bears only vague resemblances to the actual Season 6 in whose alternate timeframe it happens (Willow has, in the previous book, been responsible for Buffy's raising, but in an entirely different way than it actually happened), so the danger of confusing it with canon would be minimal.
I bet you an actual quarter that if you read the first couple of chapters (there will be 34, total), then stop, you will be miserable only until you can get back to it again. And if I'm wrong, I will happily pay up and you will have very little of the story to be sad or worried about. She does marvelous Spike, even if he's unsouled--the essential problem is much the same and uncomplicated by the issue of soul-having.
But if you seriously think this minimal exposure might put a bad dent in your enjoyment of what remains of the series itself, I will respect your (utterly foolish) reservations and say not a single word more on the topic. There: didn't that sound like Giles? 8-P
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:52:35 GMT -5
--Buffy's not gonna be vamped
Because in the current Angel episode, Angelus has given every indication of being about to vamp Faith. ME wouldn't bring up the vamping (that possibly won't go off, true) of a Slayer in the one series and then have it be a major plot point in the other. Major anticlimax if they did, and they're a whole lot smarter than that.
I think that one's now officially dead as a theory.
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 13:53:56 GMT -5
Ok, I THINK Sarah will get the last line, cause she said she wants it, and its her series.
I'd like her to hug Willow, Xander, and Giles as they all have quivery lips and tears in their eyes and then open the door to a car with blacked out windows, inside we see Dawn in the back seat. She gets in the front passenger seat and says to Spike (driving) 'Ok, let's go.' And they drive off. I don't know where - maybe a vacation in Alaska during the winter. (No sun?)
By Patti T,
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 14:00:20 GMT -5
(and Nan)
I recommend 'Dancing Lessons' website and 'All About Spike' website as two great Spike redemptionist fanfic archives. "All About Spike' in particular has a lot of current entries in which authors have done just what Spring mentioned - filled in the 'gaps' between episodes.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 14:01:50 GMT -5
All of us in the central time zone were watching a GREAT episode of Angel! Man, I'm loving Angel this season! Some really great fighting and cool surprises tonight
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Post by Dalton on Jul 9, 2003 14:03:18 GMT -5
(Wasn't This Discussed Waaaay Down the Misc. Board?) :And ah yes, it brings a tear to my eye to remember our humble beginnings from Spike's pants. I think several of us were trying to decide if Dru mixed them up with Angel's pants in the laundry, and whose pants were bigger, where and how. :
...and where...
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Post by Dalton on Jul 10, 2003 0:35:55 GMT -5
Ok I officially now hate Angelus.
I was thinking about this before (because I don't really have a life) but this episode brought it up again. Why do I hate Angelus, but not (pre-Buffy-ized) Spike? Both these vamps are (were) conscienceless, wholly evil killing machines with a penchant (love that word) for inflicting as much pain as possible. Yet, I laugh and forgive Spike for the same things that I do not forgive Angel. Even after soul restoration, I still find myself angry with him. No explanation here.
On the positive note, I'm loving Leapin' Angel. Guy's got Air Jordans beat all to hell.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 10, 2003 0:37:02 GMT -5
It may be easier to like and forgive Spike because no one else does - at least not very easily. You don't have as big an irritating "Gee, how did he get that instant forgiveness?" factor.
Also, his personality - a combo of the way it is acted and the way it is written - is just more engaging. No matter how nasty he is being, he is somehow, also, being charming, or at least . . . HUMAN. His lines and delivery are funnier, and we can always feel his anger or pain or desperation - Spike acts out of passion, Angelus acts much more cooly.
Both souled and unsouled Angel are more remote and harder to relate to than Spike. Angel has always been written that way, and, though I think he's had his great moments, DB just doesn't have the range JM does with conveying his thoughts and emotions.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 10, 2003 0:38:08 GMT -5
Though I don't truly believe Faith is going to become a vampire (due to the scenes shown from next week's Angel), I would have loved to see the consequences of it played out. My question is, a person does have to actually "die" to become a vampire right? I think so but wanted to see if anyone can confirm.
It would be interesting to see how the plots on both shows (though I'm thinking more about how it affects Buffy more) would be affected if Faith became a vampire. If she dies another slayer is called... would that be one of our SITs? How would they know? Is there a little bell that goes off in the SIT's head when she is called? Given the lack of any Faith mention by Buffy, wouldn't that lead everyone to question her authority?
Rae Hanson
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Post by Dalton on Jul 10, 2003 0:40:02 GMT -5
(Wasn't This Discussed Waaaay Down the Misc. Board?)
Diane - for the full pants discussion (oh, love that wording!), scroll down the Misc board to Dec 13 - there is a topic that starts with the words "Spike's pants."
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Post by Dalton on Jul 10, 2003 0:41:20 GMT -5
Sorry, meant to explain why I was asking my question. I'm picturing Faith The Vampire Slayer AND the Vampire. If she didn't have to die to become a vampire, what does that mean to the slayer lineage? Though I'd like to see Faith and Buffy fighting on the same side once again and I don't really want another Buffy death; the melodramatic girl in me can picture the two slayers fighting each other with stakes in their hands. Camera zooms that we can see the look of shock on Faith's face when she explodes into a cloud of dust, then swings (the camera) around so that as the dust clears we can see that Buffy, too, has a stake through her heart.
Rae Hanson
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