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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:22:13 GMT -5
I should've figured the Russian woman was lying. And Logan just broke my heart. You said it. Wow. That scene in the hotel lobby had me in tears. Poor Logan. And also poor Veronica. It just brought back memories of what it was like at that age, to deal with a friend breaking down. It's so painful.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:24:50 GMT -5
so so sad... and I have so many questions. Well, just three. WHY did Trina have that credit card, WHY was she holed up in the hotel if she bothered to come home at all, and WHERE did she get her stepmother's clothes? NO, I have another question! What was the shocked look for at the end when Veronica found her mother? Who were those guys looking so lurky? Were we supposed to recognize them? Cause I didn't. I recognized Clarence. Also another question I had was why would a guy in the Witness Protection Program, trying to hide from mobsters, answer a casting call?
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:25:37 GMT -5
**snicker, but then feel kind of bad for snickering, over the jock sniffer thing** Totally BFF! ;D I liked how Wallace said something to Veronica about always asking him to do stuff for her - not mean or snotty, but just saying it - that next time they hang out, they should just hang out. Also liked the smile she gave him - she saw his point and respected him. Plus, Wallace is lookin' real sharp with the new hair and the little mustace thing going. Mmmmmm. I mean, I loved his long hair too. (I'm a big sucker for a 'fro.) But he looks . . . older and more . . . . mmmmmm. Lola Um. Didn't really mean to highjack your post to wax all mooney over Wallace. I think Manila refers to the capital of the Phillipines.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:26:38 GMT -5
If she knows that, she out and out lied to him...I don't think Logan's mother is alive after all now. But what do I know. Agree. But what do I know?
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:27:44 GMT -5
But she acted like she thought that Logan was totally making it all up. I'm puzzled. It's a good puzzling, tho. That kind of thing can happen in a family - I mean, one kid is a scapegoat and gets abuse, while the other is both protected from knowing, and in self-protection, blinds herself.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:28:17 GMT -5
well, it's her father (too) that Logan was telling her about. Often children deny or don't want to believe that a parent is abusive to another child, because it destroys that parent for them too. You said it better.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:30:37 GMT -5
It wasn't a reference to my assumptions about their ethnicities: it was a reference to two characters from Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures series: Guido and Nunzio, who are cousins and become trusted friends and valuable intelligent allies of the main character, but are initially seen by most that encounter tham as brainless muscle. No ethnic slur intended. No problem from this Italiana, Matthew. I never thought that for a minute.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 23, 2005 16:30:38 GMT -5
I recognized Clarence. Also another question I had was why would a guy in the Witness Protection Program, trying to hide from mobsters, answer a casting call? Oh good point Spring. Excellent point. Because to even be aware of a casting call - he would either have to have an agent or visit acting boards on the internet.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 16:34:59 GMT -5
I took her as a Madonna Wanna-Be, one of those legion of her fans back in the day who all tried to dress like they thought she dressed. She was matching the "Like a Virgin" (with the belt buckle and al) and "Shining Star" (the black lacy thing) outfits pretty well. But the idea of her kind of subliminally matching Rebecca de Mornay is . . . well, I find that verrrrry interesting. Hmmmmm. Oh baby - brainshare! I mention this in my review - submitted only moments ago. Am anxious to get your reaction!
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Post by Queen E on Feb 23, 2005 16:56:58 GMT -5
Oh baby - brainshare! I mention this in my review - submitted only moments ago. Am anxious to get your reaction! Actually, surfed around and the madonna thing is correct, but apparently it's supposed to be her in "Desperately Seeking Susan."
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 17:34:16 GMT -5
Actually, surfed around and the madonna thing is correct, but apparently it's supposed to be her in "Desperately Seeking Susan." Oh - interesting. What do you mean, "the madonna thing is correct?" The writer or director is quoted somewhere, saying Veronica was deliberately dressed up as Madonna from that movie? But - regardless, Veronica characterizes herself as looking like "a whore" in the outfit, which is more where my thoughts of a DeMornay connection come from - I mean rather than seeing the outfit as particularly reminiscent (I can't remember Risky Business well enough to comment on the outfit, but I do remember she was hooker).
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Post by Bluesman on Feb 23, 2005 17:52:33 GMT -5
Also another question I had was why would a guy in the Witness Protection Program, trying to hide from mobsters, answer a casting call? Veronica understood him to be an actor who changed his name due to the Tom Cruise/Tom Cruz issue. She telephoned talent agencies asking for head shots of his type. He didn't answer the casting call so she eventually ran with Wallace's clever idea of the dog being a rare breed.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 23, 2005 17:57:50 GMT -5
Veronica understood him to be an actor who changed his name due to the Tom Cruise/Tom Cruz issue. She telephoned talent agencies asking for head shots of his type. He didn't answer the casting call so she eventually ran with Wallace's clever idea of the dog being a rare breed. She was faxed pics of him with his new name. This is the part I don't understand. Why would a guy trying to hide be registered with talent agencies and such? The way it seemed to me was that Veronica asked for possible talent to fill the bill. The agency sent her pics of "Gregory," actually Tom Cruz. Veronica did not follow up in any way - she didn't ask the agency to have him call or anything . . . she used the info she had to track him there. I don't feel 100% clear on it, but no matter how I look at it, I can't understand "Tom" wanting to get acting work - or why he would be with an agency, with his new name, if he wasn't wanting acting work. It's a minor, insignificant point. I loved the ep!
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Post by Bluesman on Feb 23, 2005 18:11:04 GMT -5
That kind of thing can happen in a family - I mean, one kid is a scapegoat and gets abuse, while the other is both protected from knowing, and in self-protection, blinds herself. The Trina/Logan dichotomy fascinates me. I was oldest. Growing up, my dad was tough. He used a belt when I was younger. After I hit fourteen, he once popped me across the mouth with all that entails. As the oldest, I knew how to minimize my dad's anger. My sister was the middle child and I think she may have got spanked once. I pretty much moved out of the house for my last year of high school, got married after graduation and joined the service. My brother was nine years younger. And he was just as tough as my dad. I know what happened to my brother went beyond anything that ever happened to me. He never cried. And I think my parents got scared eventually, because they had gone pretty far with him. Anyway, I didn't know most of this until later, because I was gone. But my relationship with my brother had ended. We literally didn't speak for over ten years. I'm not sure why as we never had a fight. Just, he didn't pick up the phone and I didn't pick up the phone. We talk now. We started talking about two years ago. He even sent me his autobiography. I remember bouncing him off the walls as a kid and he has all these positive memories of me. So I find this Trina/Logan relationship so interesting, because it echoes my own relationship with my younger brother in some ways. By the way, we allow no spanking or any kind of physical punishment in my own household. I know some feel differently on the issue, but for my wife and I, we will never allow it.
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Post by William the Bloody on Feb 23, 2005 18:24:55 GMT -5
She was faxed pics of him with his new name. This is the part I don't understand. Why would a guy trying to hide be registered with talent agencies and such? The way it seemed to me was that Veronica asked for possible talent to fill the bill. The agency sent her pics of "Gregory," actually Tom Cruz. Veronica did not follow up in any way - she didn't ask the agency to have him call or anything . . . she used the info she had to track him there. I don't feel 100% clear on it, but no matter how I look at it, I can't understand "Tom" wanting to get acting work - or why he would be with an agency, with his new name, if he wasn't wanting acting work. It's a minor, insignificant point. I loved the ep! I agree with you...it is puzzling. But, like everyone else evidently, I didn't even consider it. It was the "case of the week" and there was so much else going on that I just sorta...went past it. Yes, I believe you found that niggling detail that just doesn't ring true... Mrs. Columbo! I really jsut think it was a slip by the writers. But now, it's been noted, tagged, bagged and on the shelf should anything else turn up. Vlad
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