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Post by Karen on Apr 26, 2005 21:38:10 GMT -5
I was sooooo impressed with Carmen and her decision not to do to Tad what he did to her! Brava for her standing up and saying the hell with him and what he did!!!! And right after that we see Veronica do the right thing too. She learns and grows. But OY, Logan! We knew he was gonna be involved in the rape somehow. Now all we can hope for is that all he did is provide the drug. I was impressed with Carmen, too. Way to keep a clear conscience! Weevil seemed to empathize with her. Do you think he was projecting something that happened (to Lilly) onto her situation?
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 21:39:03 GMT -5
<snip> But I think he is a good kid underneath it all. Just hasn't had any direction. And now that Veronica didn't show up for their data - he's going to go all broody, I think. OK, timeline. Veronica rape - before or after Lilly's murder? How come I don't know this? I'm missing braincells. I think 'after'. Right? "show up for their data" - great freudian slip her rape was post-murder. she showed up to the party out of stubbornness according to her narration. i think the fact that it's after is especially significant given aaron and veronica's discussion in his car -- about how logan got all crazy (what word did they use exactly?) after lilly's death.
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Post by Karen on Apr 26, 2005 21:39:59 GMT -5
my comment before reading the posts here: there are very few shows that can make me feel like i had the wind knocked out of me. i mean that as a compliment--it's so rare, i think, for a show to get people emotionally involved enough to have such strong reactions. or maybe that's only me . #metoo#
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 21:42:44 GMT -5
<snip> Maybe surprised that she simply stood him up rather than confronting him---but I guess they are saving that for next week. knowing veronica, she probably wanted to do verification and further research before confrontation--especially confrontation with logan. poor veronica and her trust issues.
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Post by Karen on Apr 26, 2005 21:44:05 GMT -5
"show up for their data" - great freudian slip her rape was post-murder. she showed up to the party out of stubbornness according to her narration. i think the fact that it's after is especially significant given aaron and veronica's discussion in his car -- about how logan got all crazy (what word did they use exactly?) after lilly's death. Ooops! Yes, all this data. Too much data. Ok, now you got me thinking that Logan might have been more involved with V's 'rape' than just supplying the drugs. Could he have maybe started something, then stopped short when he realized V was a virgin? Is his statement about her virginity a mislead? You do realize I'm wildly guessing because I really have no clue, don't you? ;D
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Post by Onjel on Apr 26, 2005 21:44:36 GMT -5
knowing veronica, she probably wanted to do verification and further research before confrontation--especially confrontation with logan. poor veronica and her trust issues. I know I am new to this show, but from what I saw, I think she has good reasons to have issues with trust. Poor dear.
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2005 21:45:21 GMT -5
"show up for their data" - great freudian slip her rape was post-murder. she showed up to the party out of stubbornness according to her narration. i think the fact that it's after is especially significant given aaron and veronica's discussion in his car -- about how logan got all crazy (what word did they use exactly?) after lilly's death. Bluesman and I discussed doing a timeline a while back and he sent me two links. We were considering doing one of our own, but why re-invent the wheel? I just put the links on the Miscellany thread, but yes the rape was actually probably several months after the murder. (After Lianne left seems likely and that was about 4 months after the murder.)
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2005 21:47:03 GMT -5
And I will be going back to my favorite Giles-quote---the one about forgiveness---tomorrow, because I think it's a good thing to remember right now.
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Post by Sara on Apr 26, 2005 21:47:24 GMT -5
I can't decide what makes me more queasy. Putting it in her drink or handing it out left and right. Putting it in her drink, no question. I can see the stupid, teenage logic that would enable Logan to convince himself handing out the drugs would be a bit of harmless fun--lower inhibitions, help everyone have a good time. Like a modern version of spiking the punch, except a zillion times worse. But giving it to one person in particular... that to me indicates a very deliberate and unsavory intention.
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Post by Karen on Apr 26, 2005 21:47:32 GMT -5
Well, he may not have been the rapist, but I bet he was up to no good that night. A child of privilege, with too much time and money and a disinterested parent bodes ill. There is a dark side, there, I think. I hate to say it, but I have a bad feeling about Logan. Redemption is good, though, right? But you got to want it. Logan's no where near there yet. First there has to be regret and confession. I don't know. I don't think he trusts anyone enough yet to go there. Much like Tad..he'll blame Veronica for 'breaking up' with him. It's gonna be a:
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 21:50:11 GMT -5
<snip> Ok, now you got me thinking that Logan might have been more involved with V's 'rape' than just supplying the drugs. Could he have maybe started something, then stopped short when he realized V was a virgin? Is his statement about her virginity a mislead? You do realize I'm wildly guessing because I really have no clue, don't you? ;D heh. i was thinking more that supplying GHB to a party might be the kind of 'crazy' thing he would have done--that he might not have been thinking of the possible (well, probable, to me at least) repercussions of supplying it to a bunch of high school kids. or really much of anything about consequences of any action.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 26, 2005 21:50:23 GMT -5
**must think about something other than Logan** So - what do we think Alicia is going to do now? And, was Tad and his behavior a clue to the murder? "If I can't have her, no one can?" Eeeeeep! That's leading me in a direction I don't want to go. Um. I was really glad to see Keith talking to Veronica about the ad and the possible future and all, yes?
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Post by Onjel on Apr 26, 2005 21:52:59 GMT -5
But you got to want it. Logan's no where near there yet. First there has to be regret and confession. I don't know. I don't think he trusts anyone enough yet to go there. Much like Tad..he'll blame Veronica for 'breaking up' with him. It's gonna be a: Too true. When I saw him sitting on the yacht drinking champagne, I got the distinct feeling that there was much more to this friendly, lovey dovey facade than met the eye. You're right, he's not repentent, yet.
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2005 21:53:30 GMT -5
On a different topic:
So Alicia will confront Wallace, who will go to Veronica AND Alicia will probably also tell Keith, who will go to Veronica.......
You go Erin. Glad I don't have to write the review on this one---my head is spinning.
Can't believe I'm doing the finale. Well, I'll have all summer to catch up on the discussion thread!
Murder, rape, drugs, blackmail, child-abuse, gangs, out of control rich kids, perverse teachers, baby switching, sex changes, lots of kids using lots of computer tricks to frame or torture other kids...Neptune is a very scary place to live!
Revenge, forgiveness, love, parental love, adult love, teen love, sex, trust, more revenge, all of the above, loyalty, best-friendness, using people, affairs, unknown parentage: no lack of themes here.
Where has Sheriff Lamb been since episode 2 or 3?
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I don't see that this ep gave us any new clu-age about the murder. At least nothing direct.
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Post by artemis on Apr 26, 2005 21:53:41 GMT -5
Bluesman and I discussed doing a timeline a while back and he sent me two links. We were considering doing one of our own, but why re-invent the wheel? I just put the links on the Miscellany thread, but yes the rape was actually probably several months after the murder. (After Lianne left seems likely and that was about 4 months after the murder.) tonight she mentioned her rape as being in december, didn't she? a year ago last december. thanks for posting the links! are you doing the review this week?
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