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Post by Rob on Oct 6, 2005 22:13:44 GMT -5
My guess would be that he found out something that someone didn't want getting out. And him being a reporter would thus be linked to the MotW for this week, eh? I liked that it was Wallace who solved it all by himself. Plus, it has potentially nabbed him the new hottie girl. I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 7, 2005 7:44:24 GMT -5
Anna - love your comments. I agree - wardrobe seriously sucks this year. Blech! I think Logan's size is the same but he was always in layers of clothes last year. Thanks, Pixi. Random thoughts I decided to share - what the heck. ;D I really loved reading this thread. No wonder no one was commenting on the main Board last night. I know where I'll be next Wednesday... As for Logan - you don't think that his arms (especially) seem massive this season? Maybe it's just me...Anna ;D No honestly - I think he's always had tremendous guns. He was just always in layers and layers of clothes. I do know he works out though. In an interview he said once they knew they were picked up for next season all the boys on the show hit the gym big time.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 7, 2005 7:49:48 GMT -5
And him being a reporter would thus be linked to the MotW for this week, eh? I liked that it was Wallace who solved it all by himself. Plus, it has potentially nabbed him the new hottie girl. I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. I couldn't agree more. I think it's intentional on RT's part and I for one am so relieved that the dreaded VD sex was so bland and lifeless. I thought of you Rob while Wallace was going all Sherlock thinking Rob while like this. General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character.
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Post by Sue on Oct 7, 2005 9:38:38 GMT -5
And him being a reporter would thus be linked to the MotW for this week, eh? I liked that it was Wallace who solved it all by himself. Plus, it has potentially nabbed him the new hottie girl. I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. Rob, I think you've hit the nail(s) on the head. One distinct possibility is that Teddy Dunn is simply a lesser actor. And, I think we have to consider this a very real possibility. Great actors can usually make an impression of some sort even with so-so material. Your second point is also valid though and compounds the problem. Of all of the characters on VM, Duncan is the biggest cipher. Other characters, well mostly just Veronica, simply play off of him. He's like prop. He has no independent role as an individual. Wallace is more than just V's best friend. He's also Wallace---with a mom, and invisible brother, and potential girlfriends and basketball and issues. Keith, Logan, Weevil, of course all have hugely developed roles and characters. Duncan---who is he other than Veronica's boyfriend? Really, not anybody. But, I'm still (sadly) inclined to lay the problem at the feet of TD. I mean, Alicia is not well-developed. Principal Clemmons only has a bit role. I didn't like Lianne at all, but she was realistic in the part. Even Clarence Weidmann only needed about 3 minutes of screen time to establish his creepiness. We've had about 24 episodes of Duncan and he still feels like a piece of furniture to me. Which is really too bad. I completely understand the reason the writer's want a triangle with V-D-L, and can even see how in her "real" life Veronica might be legitimately torn between the two boys. But Teddy doesn't bring it to life. He's the "safe" choice, but that doesn't mean he needs to be so bland and colorless and shallow as to also disappear into the scenery. Do the writer's write him that way becaue that is their intention for the character, or is that all that Dunn can make of the material?
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Post by Pixi on Oct 7, 2005 10:10:38 GMT -5
I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. Rob, I think you've hit the nail(s) on the head. One distinct possibility is that Teddy Dunn is simply a lesser actor. And, I think we have to consider this a very real possibility. Great actors can usually make an impression of some sort even with so-so material. Your second point is also valid though and compounds the problem. Of all of the characters on VM, Duncan is the biggest cipher. Other characters, well mostly just Veronica, simply play off of him. He's like prop. He has no independent role as an individual. Wallace is more than just V's best friend. He's also Wallace---with a mom, and invisible brother, and potential girlfriends and basketball and issues. Keith, Logan, Weevil, of course all have hugely developed roles and characters. Duncan---who is he other than Veronica's boyfriend? Really, not anybody. But, I'm still (sadly) inclined to lay the problem at the feet of TD. I mean, Alicia is not well-developed. Principal Clemmons only has a bit role. I didn't like Lianne at all, but she was realistic in the part. Even Clarence Weidmann only needed about 3 minutes of screen time to establish his creepiness. We've had about 24 episodes of Duncan and he still feels like a piece of furniture to me. Which is really too bad. I completely understand the reason the writer's want a triangle with V-D-L, and can even see how in her "real" life Veronica might be legitimately torn between the two boys. But Teddy doesn't bring it to life. He's the "safe" choice, but that doesn't mean he needs to be so bland and colorless and shallow as to also disappear into the scenery. Do the writer's write him that way becaue that is their intention for the character, or is that all that Dunn can make of the material? Sue - you know I'm in the camp that Teddy Dunn just doesn't have the acting chops. I'm sorry - I teach acting and he is doing nothing with the role. Not in his eyes, not in his body language and definitely not in his voice levels. I like him in real life - he seems like a nice guy but he has had no training and I'm sorry, all he has going for him is his pretty boy looks. And I agree - good actors make even small parts with little or no motivation come alive. Everyone you mentioned has shined (well except for the drek that is Lianne and we were supposed to hate her) in their roles. And Percy Daggs is doing a much better job acting than he did at the beginning of the series. I give him props for improving as an actor. Cliff - come on RT bring back Cliff. And look at Michael Muhvey who has taken a peripheral sort of stock character like Sheriff Lamb and brought him to life. I love the way my feelings and admiration for Lamb have grown over the season. He has layers, he has personality - it's terrific. Dunn just doesn't. Even the "admired" scenes by many people last year - the rape reveal and the hit the car with a shovel scene were, in my opinion, badly acted.
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Post by zimshan on Oct 7, 2005 12:08:14 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I think it's intentional on RT's part and I for one am so relieved that the dreaded VD sex was so bland and lifeless. Oh, gosh, yes. I was actually abit disturbed at how lifeless it was. They were just sort of there. Like, Duncan picks her up strangely and Veronica just kind of sits there, all still, while he carries her over to the bed? WTF? If you look at the caps, it's looks like she fainted and he's carrying her over to put her in bed like a little kid. Seriously, disturbing...
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Post by Sue on Oct 7, 2005 12:16:39 GMT -5
Rob, I think you've hit the nail(s) on the head. One distinct possibility is that Teddy Dunn is simply a lesser actor. And, I think we have to consider this a very real possibility. Great actors can usually make an impression of some sort even with so-so material. Your second point is also valid though and compounds the problem. Of all of the characters on VM, Duncan is the biggest cipher. Other characters, well mostly just Veronica, simply play off of him. He's like prop. He has no independent role as an individual. Wallace is more than just V's best friend. He's also Wallace---with a mom, and invisible brother, and potential girlfriends and basketball and issues. Keith, Logan, Weevil, of course all have hugely developed roles and characters. Duncan---who is he other than Veronica's boyfriend? Really, not anybody. But, I'm still (sadly) inclined to lay the problem at the feet of TD. I mean, Alicia is not well-developed. Principal Clemmons only has a bit role. I didn't like Lianne at all, but she was realistic in the part. Even Clarence Weidmann only needed about 3 minutes of screen time to establish his creepiness. We've had about 24 episodes of Duncan and he still feels like a piece of furniture to me. Which is really too bad. I completely understand the reason the writer's want a triangle with V-D-L, and can even see how in her "real" life Veronica might be legitimately torn between the two boys. But Teddy doesn't bring it to life. He's the "safe" choice, but that doesn't mean he needs to be so bland and colorless and shallow as to also disappear into the scenery. Do the writer's write him that way becaue that is their intention for the character, or is that all that Dunn can make of the material? Sue - you know I'm in the camp that Teddy Dunn just doesn't have the acting chops. I'm sorry - I teach acting and he is doing nothing with the role. Not in his eyes, not in his body language and definitely not in his voice levels. I like him in real life - he seems like a nice guy but he has had no training and I'm sorry, all he has going for him is his pretty boy looks. And I agree - good actors make even small parts with little or no motivation come alive. Everyone you mentioned has shined (well except for the drek that is Lianne and we were supposed to hate her) in their roles. And Percy Daggs is doing a much better job acting than he did at the beginning of the series. I give him props for improving as an actor. Cliff - come on RT bring back Cliff. And look at Michael Muhvey who has taken a peripheral sort of stock character like Sheriff Lamb and brought him to life. I love the way my feelings and admiration for Lamb have grown over the season. He has layers, he has personality - it's terrific. Dunn just doesn't. Even the "admired" scenes by many people last year - the rape reveal and the hit the car with a shovel scene were, in my opinion, badly acted. Definitely agree on Percy's improvment. Altho I can't analyze why as you do, it's just a visceral reaction on my part. Ditto on Lamb and Cliff. And OLGA, bring Olga back! And the gravel voiced school official. So many of the bit parts are Sooo well cast! So, I guess we are saying I won't be bragging about TD training at Northwestern. Actually his video interview on UPN.com gives a bit of insight----this is a kid who planned to go to law school and really never envisioned himself as a career-actor. Motivationally, I think that shows.
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Post by zimshan on Oct 7, 2005 12:18:32 GMT -5
General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character. I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan...
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Post by Pixi on Oct 7, 2005 12:26:30 GMT -5
General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character. I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... I do agree she is starting out like Logan. And somehow I knew you would like her zimshan. ;D I liked her alot on Cold Case. She showed real talent with the role and character they gave her there. So I have to believe her character is supposed to be unlikeable here. I have every hope that we will continue to find out more about her because I like snarky sidekicks. I never liked Meg very much before she dissed Veronica last week. And now sadly, she's all comatized.
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Post by iadorespike on Oct 7, 2005 12:29:31 GMT -5
General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character. I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... Hmmm - I like it. I'm not actually down on her (although I'm still worried for Wallace), and I think that she could make a really interesting addition...Plus - her dad... Anna
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Post by Sue on Oct 7, 2005 12:29:38 GMT -5
General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character. I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... Agreed. She's got "needs to be redeemed" written all over her. And who better to do that than Wallace. I like the way he's trying to get her attention but in his own way. She's the one who is bending, "I think I may need to give nice guys another chance." And, oh yeah, she and Veronica are going to be oil and water until Jackie proves she has Wallace's best interests at heart. Potential tension: V disses J to W at which point he finally feels free to express his feelings about D and/or L.
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Post by iadorespike on Oct 7, 2005 12:31:48 GMT -5
I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... Agreed. She's got "needs to be redeemed" written all over her. And who better to do that than Wallace. I like the way he's trying to get her attention but in his own way. She's the one who is bending, "I think I may need to give nice guys another chance." And, oh yeah, she and Veronica are going to be oil and water until Jackie proves she has Wallace's best interests at heart. Potential tension: V disses J to W at which point he finally feels free to express his feelings about D and/or L.[/color] Oohhh - I really like that... Hope you're right, Sue. Anna
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Post by Rob on Oct 7, 2005 16:34:23 GMT -5
Potential tension: V disses J to W at which point he finally feels free to express his feelings about D and/or L. Sue, it would be fabulous if they went in that direction. Wallace is the only character who could legitimately have Veronica's ear on every subject, including her love life. Mainly this is due to his established stance; Wallace doesn't give the appearance of a man who has any axe to grind when it comes to V/D or V/L...but if he doesn't react well to Veronica getting into his business about Jackie (which seems inevitable), offering Veronica a mirror check would be a believable defense mechanism. Having said that, I'm not sure just how much of a role Wallace will have as the season goes along. I get the feeling this episode established a measure of independence from Veronica, which might create some distance. I desperately want to be wrong about that, by the way...but if Rob Thomas wants to make things as bad as possible for our heroine (which I believe he does), distance from Wallace would probably be Step 1. This will obviously result in less screen time. Seems like those two have been through an awful lot already and come out ok, though...what with his mom sleeping with her dad and all. Perhaps I'm underestimating the power of BFF.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Oct 7, 2005 19:11:29 GMT -5
Yep, the "ick factor" was good! The new gal is going to be trouble for him, I bet. Big big trouble, if Mr Casablancas is as good with guns as he thinks he is. hehe Logan appeared better.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Oct 7, 2005 19:12:25 GMT -5
Veronica Mars 2x02 __________________
Meg is alive, quite glad actually she's a decent side character.
ouch she packs a punch.
Kevin Smith guest staring? NICE. Dogma, Mall Rats and Chasing Amy are classics.
Keith running for Sherif? Maybe.
ahhh Jason and Charisma... can't quite put my finger on why i'm jealous?
I don't buy into the suicide thing.
haha nice hallway scene with Logan and Veronica
Beev and Veronica are homing in on Logan's little secret.
Keith decided not to take the Sherrif's job. A good choice imo.
I'm not massive on Jackie Cook as a character, unimpressed with her this episode. She just doesn't seem to fit.
Oh so he did decide to run for Sherrif. Hmmm have to see how it plays out.
This episode was average untill the last scene. A dead body with Veronica's name on the hand! I think we can safely say that someone is trying to set Veronica up/hurt her. But for what? and who could be doing it?
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