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Post by zimshan on Oct 7, 2005 20:11:18 GMT -5
Okay, so I know the Mona Lisa pillow was discussed already, but what about all the other stuff. There was a whole set up of Italian things on that chest, around the pillow. A ship, and a sculpture, and my favorite - The Leaning Tower of Pisa! With an italian flag stuck in it! How telling is that? To include a figure of a building that is notoriously known for bad foundation, within a VD sex scene. LMAO!
That just had to be intentional, somehow. Or at every least, the prop designer is having lots of fun. But Nick Marck directed this one, and he's always having a clear focus of exactly want he wants to do with every episode. Who knows? But it is amusing to say the least!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:35:07 GMT -5
"Unless I'm wearing a naughty schoolgirl uniform" do you know how hard it was to type that phrase, oh my god, the imagery.. please rob thomas, pleeeeeaaasee.. ;D **nods a lot** I was soooooo empathizing with Veronica. I loved her disgust. I really liked that aspect of the MOTW. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:36:39 GMT -5
I think the body is the reporter who V ran into at the memorial at the accident site and talked to Wallace in the Sac-n-Pac. Nope. Super-spoiler inviso-text for this revelation.... It's Sawyer!**snerk** ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:43:08 GMT -5
Haven't read the thread yet but I have to say I loved last night's episode. Well, except for the puking during the Donut humping I thought it moved along nicely and I saw peeks of my gal Veronica again. I loved, loved, loved with a passion the scenes with Sheriff Lamb. Hee, hee - "Why do birds suddenly appear?" Bwahhh!!!!!! Just. So. Good! I am betting we'll be getting more backstory on Jackie that will give us more insight into her. She was sorta . . . flat . . . in this ep. But I trust Rob enough to figure that won't last long. Well, we're getting a little deeper look at Beaver and Dick this year, so that's good. Interesting to think what it means that we are getting a fuller picture of a lot of the kids. If conflict between the different social levels in Neptune is a key to this year's season (and I'll bet it is) then seeinting more depth in these characters is likely to be important. *nods* Completely about avoiding emotions, both of them. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:46:11 GMT -5
Pixi: Regarding your questiong of why Cassidy would care about her having sex? I'm guessing he only cares because it would be a way to "get in with the boys". He's obviously the less favored son and he probably thinks this would be a way to show his Dad that he can be good for something and maybe get him included on invites to the shooting range and shindigs, etc. PS - However, I'm a little surprised that he didn't immediately suspect Logan of something fishy. Coming home to Logan's car in the driveway just the day before would have made me at least wonder for a second if there was a possibility there - especially with the way Kendall and Logan overplay the 'your stepmom is a bitch' cover story. I can totally see this kind of motivation for Cassidy.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:47:28 GMT -5
Pixi: Regarding your questiong of why Cassidy would care about her having sex? I'm guessing he only cares because it would be a way to "get in with the boys". He's obviously the less favored son and he probably thinks this would be a way to show his Dad that he can be good for something and maybe get him included on invites to the shooting range and shindigs, etc. PS - However, I'm a little surprised that he didn't immediately suspect Logan of something fishy. Coming home to Logan's car in the driveway just the day before would have made me at least wonder for a second if there was a possibility there - especially with the way Kendall and Logan overplay the 'your stepmom is a bitch' cover story. Hee, hee - I love your avatar. Well yes I agree that Cassidy has to be a little suspicious. And yeah - maybe he is trying to become more favored son but honestly after seeing Big Dick I kind of wonder why. Ah, but he is still dad. I can see him not really liking the guy, but wanting his love and approval anyway.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:50:50 GMT -5
One of my favorite moments was the silent one where you see Keith reverse his decision on running for sheriff. Very nice. I agree completely. It was like you could see his thoughts. Looking at how things are being run by the current sheriff and realizing that it's not just his personal decision. That he's needed by the people in the town - someone who will run the police department in an honest way.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:51:31 GMT -5
Oh I didn't know this till I started flitting about LJ - the dead guy at the end of the episode played Gachnar, the fear demon. Boy - RT really does bring the Buffy. Heee. "Big overture, teeny show". ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:52:55 GMT -5
I agree. EC did a terrific job in his non-verbal acting skills at the moment. I think one of the reasons I felt so much disenchantment last week was there was just too much crammed into the premier. The lame MOTW should have been ditched and the premier should have been a two-hour episode and I think I would have been much happier. Granted - I'm pretty sure the Donut sex/bf will endure for awhile so I'll probably be sporking my eyes out in the future but in a way, I'm glad VM is getting this out of her system. I believe Logan will be the long-run bf so if I have to endure VD, well I just have to endure it. As long as I can get shots of Logan/Veronica in the hall penicillan, I'm sure the infection will eventually clear up. Yes, last week's sub-mystery wasn't much and the time could have been better used. RT did a good enough job with the bus crash as motivation for Veronica resuming her investigative work; he really didn't need a "Wallace in danger" as a secondary motive. As for LoVe? Timing is everything. Too early, and we get Nick and Nora Charles The Next Generation. Don't get me wrong, love Nick & Nora but I don't think Veronica & Logan & Baby Makes Three is what they want as yet. Now that I've read Sue's analysis though, I'm taking another look at the MOTW. The fact that there were several guilty parties, the idea of a conspiracy. I think these will turn out to be important.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:53:59 GMT -5
Ahem. It's "Where is My Mind" and yes. And here they are: Ooooooh - stop With your feet in the air and your head on the ground Try this trick and spin it, yeah Your head will collapse But there's nothing in it And you'll ask yourself Where is my mind [3x] Way out in the water See it swimmin' I was swimmin' in the Carribean Animals were hiding behind the rocks Except the little fish But they told me, he swears Tryin' to talk to me to me to me Where is my mind [3x] Way out in the water See it swimmin' ? With your feet in the air and your head on the ground Try this trick and spin it, yeah Your head will collapse If there's nothing in it And you'll ask yourself Where is my mind [3x] Ooooh With your feet in the air and your head on the ground Ooooh Try this trick and spin it, yeah Ooooh Ooooh So, I'm quoting myself here, because I think the choice of this song is significant. We have Logan sleeping with Kendell; Veronica sleeping with Duncan. We have a mysterious bus driver whose state of mind is in question. We have Dick Sr telling Logan that real damage is possible when you aim for the heart or the head. We have Keith announcing his run for sheriff as the opening strains of the song starts, as well as Veronica's internal fear that he's on to her evening's escapades. Not sure if Rob uses music in the same way that Joss does, but there is so much focus here on paying attention and/or doing something "insane" that I don't think it's an accident that the song pushes up further into that interpretation. This also fits in nicely with the Mona Lisa pillow; her enigmatic smile defies explanation of what's really going on in her mind...an indication perhaps, that Veronica's professed feelings for Duncan are not quite the whole story... Note, too, that she didn't correct Logan's assumption that sex with Duncan didn't exactly rock her world. Excellent clue and subtext spotting!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:54:47 GMT -5
So we got to see Big Dick. I can kind of see now where Little Dick got his personality. I lurve Dick this year. Casa de Killer. And Logan with a gun. Okay - how much does everyone want to bet that Logan shoots someone with a gun while rescuing Veronica this year. I'm about past my spoiled part so I don't know if he does or not, that's just my theory right now. Oh and for anyone keeping track - this episode had a fake spoiler scene out about it. All the spoiler siets had Veronica going to the hotel and Duncan blindfolded her eyes and fed her scones. Scones must have equaled sex. Tricky RT, tricky. I for one am not surprised at how easily Logan lies. He has had to lie all his life about the abuse. As for Kendall - oh she has career skank written all over her to me. So, when Dick Sr. smacked Cassidy in the head, did no one else think: "Dick! Don't be so hard on the Beaver!" or am I just in a downward spiral of smuttiness? And what's so wrong with being in a downward spiral of smuttiness? #smirk#
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:55:37 GMT -5
So, when Dick Sr. smacked Cassidy in the head, did no one else think: "Dick! Don't be so hard on the Beaver!" or am I just in a downward spiral of smuttiness? ;D Me, I go back to the original and wonder at a name that sounds like a euphemism from a bad erotic novel.... Beaver Cleaver. **snicker** Well, I'm permanently in the 12 year old corner.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 20:59:28 GMT -5
A series of possibly unrelated comments... I really missed Weevil. With the theme of class warfare this season I have hopes for some good Weevilness. 'Cuz I love me my Weevil. Truly. It's not like there are no issues with Duncan and V. I mean, yes, lots of issues with Logan but Duncan is not squeaky clean either. **nods** Not yet Aaron Echolls creepy, but still . . . Mmmmmm. You have good taste in hot fathers. Very true!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 21:05:36 GMT -5
I'm still uncertain whether Casablancas knows about Logan & the Mrs. or not. The firing range could have been an attempt at subtle intimidation, as could some of the things he said to Logan. Obviously, it was written to keep us guessing. I suspect either Mr. or Mrs. Casablancas will soon end up the victim of a homicide. Could be wrong, but that's where it looks like it's going to me. Yea, I was wondering that too. It can be viewed as two ways, one Mr. C knows or suspects and that was subtle intimidation, two that that is Mr. C in a nutshell. That was his view of a father/son bonding there. Which just creeps me out! The use of guns at all just must be significant in my mind, especially since RT stated months ago that he will only put a gun in a scene when it's absolutely called for, because he don't like 'em! Interesting info about RT and guns! And I agree about Mr C. His behavior is almost more creepy if it is just normal (there's that normal thing again) behavior than if he were trying to get to Logan. Subtle intimidation is a nice description.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 21:16:02 GMT -5
And him being a reporter would thus be linked to the MotW for this week, eh? I liked that it was Wallace who solved it all by himself. Plus, it has potentially nabbed him the new hottie girl. I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. I really liked Wallace's reaction. I hope we see more of this idea - him having learned from Veronica and taking a more direct role in investigations. And I wonder/worry about Duncan's medication too.
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