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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 21:17:14 GMT -5
I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. Rob, I think you've hit the nail(s) on the head. One distinct possibility is that Teddy Dunn is simply a lesser actor. And, I think we have to consider this a very real possibility. Great actors can usually make an impression of some sort even with so-so material. Your second point is also valid though and compounds the problem. Of all of the characters on VM, Duncan is the biggest cipher. Other characters, well mostly just Veronica, simply play off of him. He's like prop. He has no independent role as an individual. Wallace is more than just V's best friend. He's also Wallace---with a mom, and invisible brother, and potential girlfriends and basketball and issues. Keith, Logan, Weevil, of course all have hugely developed roles and characters. Duncan---who is he other than Veronica's boyfriend? Really, not anybody. But, I'm still (sadly) inclined to lay the problem at the feet of TD. I mean, Alicia is not well-developed. Principal Clemmons only has a bit role. I didn't like Lianne at all, but she was realistic in the part. Even Clarence Weidmann only needed about 3 minutes of screen time to establish his creepiness. We've had about 24 episodes of Duncan and he still feels like a piece of furniture to me. Which is really too bad. I completely understand the reason the writer's want a triangle with V-D-L, and can even see how in her "real" life Veronica might be legitimately torn between the two boys. But Teddy doesn't bring it to life. He's the "safe" choice, but that doesn't mean he needs to be so bland and colorless and shallow as to also disappear into the scenery. Do the writer's write him that way becaue that is their intention for the character, or is that all that Dunn can make of the material? **nods nods nods to both these posts**
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 21:35:21 GMT -5
General reaction across fandom is all really anti-Jackie. I've seen very little posts liking the character. I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... I'm with you on seeing some real possibilities with Jackie.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 8, 2005 11:06:23 GMT -5
I guess I'm jumping into the minority camp here. I liked her. I think Jackie's character should prove to be interesting. She's quite a firecracker, that's for sure. Or a mean bitch depending on how you look at it. Which means there is work to be done on her character. There's room to move, to change. UPN told RT to give VM a girl friend and this is the spin he put on it. Squeaky clean's been done already. This character just screams for progression. Hopefully RT will take advantage of it. Come on, bitchy + snarky + issues! Winning combination! And resembles last year's sleeper: Logan... I'm with you on seeing some real possibilities with Jackie. I was surprised to see the Jackie actress, and the Casablancas boys, in the credits. I think this will be for the good though. I liked Jackie OK. She's got her issues, but she seemed to appreciate how truly nice Wallace was, despite her little "bad boy" comments. I would love to see a love interest for Wallace, he's such a cutie pie. I watched with my sis, who had only seen about two eps last season. She liked Wallace best, I'd say, right off the bat. She had trouble telling Duncan and Logan apart, and kept asking, "Now - which one does Veronica like?" Good question, sis! She really liked the show, and I think she's going to start watching every week. I emailed her my review in the hopes of peaking her interest even more.
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Post by artemis on Oct 8, 2005 17:24:40 GMT -5
hi everybody, i've been sick, which is why you haven't seen my usual copious VM posting this week. ;D i wanted to share this: after my mother (a normally staid college professor i successfully got hooked to VM this summer) watched her tape of this week's ep, she called me up and started ranting about how unbelieveable VD is, how boring D/TD is/are, and how she hopes V gets back together with L soon. i thought pixi some of you would especially appreciate this. ;D
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Post by Pixi on Oct 10, 2005 7:55:09 GMT -5
Okay, so I know the Mona Lisa pillow was discussed already, but what about all the other stuff. There was a whole set up of Italian things on that chest, around the pillow. A ship, and a sculpture, and my favorite - The Leaning Tower of Pisa! With an italian flag stuck in it! How telling is that? To include a figure of a building that is notoriously known for bad foundation, within a VD sex scene. LMAO! That just had to be intentional, somehow. Or at every least, the prop designer is having lots of fun. But Nick Marck directed this one, and he's always having a clear focus of exactly want he wants to do with every episode. Who knows? But it is amusing to say the least! zimshan - this is all part of a scene that was cut. I understand that Duncan was going to surprise Veronica with a trip to Europe so these were part of it. Fortunately they deleted this. At least this is what I've read in another board. It was part of the original sides for this scene.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 10, 2005 8:03:18 GMT -5
hi everybody, i've been sick, which is why you haven't seen my usual copious VM posting this week. ;D i wanted to share this: after my mother (a normally staid college professor i successfully got hooked to VM this summer) watched her tape of this week's ep, she called me up and started ranting about how unbelieveable VD is, how boring D/TD is/are, and how she hopes V gets back together with L soon. i thought pixi some of you would especially appreciate this. ;D It has to be intentional on RT's part. I just think it is all kind of heavy-handed especially with a lame-ass musical montage get together. Perhaps this is RT's way of dealing with the UPN mandate of having a triangle. Okay - you want a triangle, I'll make it the most boring, unlikeable triangle in history. Though update - RT has been reading the TWOP thread again - all 50some pages and there was intense ranting over the lack of Duncan personality. He emailed back (in response to a post there) that Duncan is not a gay android so he is obviously aware of some of the things that are making viewers unhappy. And VM is losing some of it's new converts unfortunately. I do tend to think both of these two episodes have been set up type of episodes and the season will kick into high gear soon but . . . . . Anyway I liked this episode much more than the first one and artemis - thanks for passing along the word. ;D
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Post by Kay on Oct 10, 2005 21:26:49 GMT -5
Hello people. I've never posted before but I've always read the reviews on this site and think they are great, so I figure this is the best place to see if anyone else noticed- On episode 1 this year of Veronica Mars, my sister and I both definitely noticed that someone was taking Veronica and Wallace's picture- in the scene where Veronica and Wallace meet up at school for the first time and she finds out he failed his drug test- just as Wallace says the line "so and so, the starting quarterback- he passed it." There is a distinctive bright flash like someone is taking their picture. We rewinded it a couple of times to check- it was definitely there. I guess it could just be a mistake, but I think it might be a clue. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else noticed this and what they thought...
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 10, 2005 22:26:45 GMT -5
Hello people. I've never posted before but I've always read the reviews on this site and think they are great, so I figure this is the best place to see if anyone else noticed- On episode 1 this year of Veronica Mars, my sister and I both definitely noticed that someone was taking Veronica and Wallace's picture- in the scene where Veronica and Wallace meet up at school for the first time and she finds out he failed his drug test- just as Wallace says the line "so and so, the starting quarterback- he passed it." There is a distinctive bright flash like someone is taking their picture. We rewinded it a couple of times to check- it was definitely there. I guess it could just be a mistake, but I think it might be a clue. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else noticed this and what they thought... Hi, Kay! Welcome to our discussion! Please stop by anytime on this thread or any other. And I'm so glad you like our reviews and took the time to let us know. Interesting catch on someone taking Wallace & Veronica's pic (no, I hadn't noticed) - hard to say if this is just a mistake or a clue. I guess we'll find out as the season progresses. Obviously, since Veronica's name was found written on that dead guy's hand, someone is keeping some sort of eye on her . . . or something. I am already liking the season - definitely hooked already.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 11, 2005 7:23:40 GMT -5
Spring - great review as always. After a week of thinking about and rewatching things I can actually feel even more intensely what RT is up to. I liked the way you picked up on the waking up. You always find something that I haven't read anywhere else to comment on.
Re the confusion between mayoral and supervisor - the mayoral was a mistake made by the staff in the first episode. I guess in San Diego if there is a sheriff, they can't have a mayor - I read a discussion of this somewhere but the bottom line is they had to change what he was running for because it wasn't feasibly possible for him to be a mayor.
And I agree wholeheartedly that Logan is replicating Aaron's trysting and looking for punishment. He is almost asking to be punished by his "dad" again. Poor Logan - so alone and so confused and with so many issues.
Though Logan - stop kicking Cassidy. Loved his knitting line.
When I reported fandom dislike about Jackie, I didn't say that's where I am. I am meh on her. Acting wise several of her lines were really off in the episode. I've seen Tessa in other shows where she has been fabulous so I know she has the acting chops. I'm giving her a "first episode in an established cast nervousness" break. I often end up loving the characters I initially dislike as in Logan, Lamb and Dick. Oh I love Dick this year!!!
This week's episode has me really excited. I think things are kicking into high gear and the roller coaster ride of VM has hit the crest of the climb and is about to start swooping and swerving all over the place leaving us breathless.
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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 11, 2005 7:25:25 GMT -5
One of my favorite moments was the silent one where you see Keith reverse his decision on running for sheriff. Very nice. I agree. EC did a terrific job in his non-verbal acting skills at the moment. I think one of the reasons I felt so much disenchantment last week was there was just too much crammed into the premier. The lame MOTW should have been ditched and the premier should have been a two-hour episode and I think I would have been much happier. Granted - I'm pretty sure the Donut sex/bf will endure for awhile so I'll probably be sporking my eyes out in the future but in a way, I'm glad VM is getting this out of her system. I believe Logan will be the long-run bf so if I have to endure VD, well I just have to endure it. As long as I can get shots of Logan/Veronica in the hall penicillan, I'm sure the infection will eventually clear up. So let me get this straight, in order to finally get to true LoVe, we have to go through a short case of VD? ;D I can hang with that. Vlad
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Post by Pixi on Oct 11, 2005 7:27:10 GMT -5
Hello people. I've never posted before but I've always read the reviews on this site and think they are great, so I figure this is the best place to see if anyone else noticed- On episode 1 this year of Veronica Mars, my sister and I both definitely noticed that someone was taking Veronica and Wallace's picture- in the scene where Veronica and Wallace meet up at school for the first time and she finds out he failed his drug test- just as Wallace says the line "so and so, the starting quarterback- he passed it." There is a distinctive bright flash like someone is taking their picture. We rewinded it a couple of times to check- it was definitely there. I guess it could just be a mistake, but I think it might be a clue. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else noticed this and what they thought... Kay - welcome to the board. If you've been reading the threads you must have gathered that I am one of Veronica Mar's biggest cheerleaders. It is always terrific to have someone new join in the discussion. I didn't notice the picture taking either but with this show, anything could and pretty much often does mean something.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 11, 2005 7:28:40 GMT -5
I agree. EC did a terrific job in his non-verbal acting skills at the moment. I think one of the reasons I felt so much disenchantment last week was there was just too much crammed into the premier. The lame MOTW should have been ditched and the premier should have been a two-hour episode and I think I would have been much happier. Granted - I'm pretty sure the Donut sex/bf will endure for awhile so I'll probably be sporking my eyes out in the future but in a way, I'm glad VM is getting this out of her system. I believe Logan will be the long-run bf so if I have to endure VD, well I just have to endure it. As long as I can get shots of Logan/Veronica in the hall penicillan, I'm sure the infection will eventually clear up. So let me get this straight, in order to finally get to true LoVe, we have to go through a short case of VD? ;D I can hang with that. Vlad Hee, hee. Unfortunately yes. Hi Vlad. #wavey#
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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 11, 2005 8:18:25 GMT -5
WOW! Very nice analysis there. And Mona Lisa pillow symbolism!! Awesome. Have you read RT's interview with MI.net discussing the music of the show. You can see it here: www.marsinvestigations.net/interviews/robthomas1.phpHe talks all about his obsessiveness in choosing the perfect songs for the show. In the past he has been oh, so very literal with his song choices. And I believe this one is no exception. Hey Zimshan, I'm iadorespike - commonly known as Anna. Thanks for the link - I'll be checking that out quite thoroughly... ;D You should come join us on the main Board...we're harmless - really. I am enjoying your posts here, though. Later, Anna Yes, thanks for the link. I would, however, like to point out that Mars Investigations has been linked to by this site since their incarnation last year. It's in the S3 Links area of the website. We don't have a ton of links there, but what we do link to is, in my opinion, some of the best online. We are very choosy about our linkages. Also, I would like to recommend hte Watcher's Syndicate for other great VM (and LOST and BSG) content. Vlad
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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 11, 2005 8:23:30 GMT -5
And him being a reporter would thus be linked to the MotW for this week, eh? I liked that it was Wallace who solved it all by himself. Plus, it has potentially nabbed him the new hottie girl. I was very glad to see Wallace handle things once he realized Veronica was in no position to help. He may have learned a little something about himself...though I retain strong reservations about Jackie in general. I see Veronica and Wallace having some issues over Jackie's motives and character in the future. Really not liking Veronica and Duncan together. He seems...wrong, somehow. Of course, that could be my feelings about Dunn's limitations as an actor overriding the text. Which is probably a little unfair; Dunn isn't awful, he just doesn't have the same charisma (for lack of a better word) as the rest of the male cast. I almost sound like I want some angst, don't I? Maybe passion would be a better term. I sense none of that in Duncan...in anything. It's not because he's a nice guy; Wallace and Keith are nice guys. In fact, it can be said that they're NICER guys, since they actually... I think I have it. Keith and Wallace are nice guys who are also doers. They go out of their way to help people. They genuinely care, and it shows. Can anyone imagine Duncan concerning himself with anyone in trouble? Furthermore, can anyone imagine someone seeking out Duncan for help? There's no depth there; he's an empty shell. Maybe it's the meds. These are great poijnts Rob! The fac that Duncan is not a doer has been referanced quite a few times on the show, most notably by Dunk's dad and Veronica herself. REmember Return of the Kane? Taht was one of hte major themse of that episode last year. Personally, while I am a LoVe'r , I do think the actor playing Dunk is doing an admirable job, and hte feelings we are getting about him and for him are exactly what the writers and R.Thomas want us to be getting. It's like how so many feel with Angel.. that he is a dork.. and they lay it off as poor acting on the part of David B. Personally, I thought DB took great pains in showing us the dork that is Angel, hte one that we are supposed to see...just as Whedon envisualized him. Vlad
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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 11, 2005 8:37:32 GMT -5
Hello people. I've never posted before but I've always read the reviews on this site and think they are great, so I figure this is the best place to see if anyone else noticed- On episode 1 this year of Veronica Mars, my sister and I both definitely noticed that someone was taking Veronica and Wallace's picture- in the scene where Veronica and Wallace meet up at school for the first time and she finds out he failed his drug test- just as Wallace says the line "so and so, the starting quarterback- he passed it." There is a distinctive bright flash like someone is taking their picture. We rewinded it a couple of times to check- it was definitely there. I guess it could just be a mistake, but I think it might be a clue. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else noticed this and what they thought... Hi Kay! Welcome to the Soulful Spike Society! Please feel free to register with us, if you haven't already taken that plunge. It's painless, really! And if you have tried to register and never got your confirm via email, check your spam folder. Sometimes we get directed there. Also, if you are online via AOL, there can be automated email issues. Post here if such a thing is the problem and myself or one of our dedicated techs will help you out. That all being said, GREAT CATCH! I didn;t notice hte flashing at all and will have to go back through my archiving to see what's up. This definitely bears some scrutiny, since we now have a dead man with VM's name written in his palm. Who is watching our fearless little blonde detective? Vlad
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