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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 11, 2005 8:38:10 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, in order to finally get to true LoVe, we have to go through a short case of VD? ;D I can hang with that. Vlad Hee, hee. Unfortunately yes. Hi Vlad. Hiya Pixi! Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 11, 2005 11:59:00 GMT -5
Spring - great review as always. After a week of thinking about and rewatching things I can actually feel even more intensely what RT is up to. I liked the way you picked up on the waking up. You always find something that I haven't read anywhere else to comment on. Re the confusion between mayoral and supervisor - the mayoral was a mistake made by the staff in the first episode. I guess in San Diego if there is a sheriff, they can't have a mayor - I read a discussion of this somewhere but the bottom line is they had to change what he was running for because it wasn't feasibly possible for him to be a mayor. And I agree wholeheartedly that Logan is replicating Aaron's trysting and looking for punishment. He is almost asking to be punished by his "dad" again. Poor Logan - so alone and so confused and with so many issues. Though Logan - stop kicking Cassidy. Loved his knitting line. When I reported fandom dislike about Jackie, I didn't say that's where I am. I am meh on her. Acting wise several of her lines were really off in the episode. I've seen Tessa in other shows where she has been fabulous so I know she has the acting chops. I'm giving her a "first episode in an established cast nervousness" break. I often end up loving the characters I initially dislike as in Logan, Lamb and Dick. Oh I love Dick this year!!! This week's episode has me really excited. I think things are kicking into high gear and the roller coaster ride of VM has hit the crest of the climb and is about to start swooping and swerving all over the place leaving us breathless. Thanks for the review feedback, Pixi. I feel the same way you do about Jackie. She was OK - has potential, but basically, I am reserving judgment. I like the idea of a girlfriend for Wallace, but I'm not sure yet that she's good enough for our Wallace. What did you think about the idea of Woody setting Keith up for something? Did you pick up the "vibes" between Don & Woody during that press conference, or was I imagining things?
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Post by iadorespike on Oct 11, 2005 12:24:35 GMT -5
Hey Zimshan, I'm iadorespike - commonly known as Anna. Thanks for the link - I'll be checking that out quite thoroughly... ;D You should come join us on the main Board...we're harmless - really. I am enjoying your posts here, though. Later, Anna Yes, thanks for the link. I would, however, like to point out that Mars Investigations has been linked to by this site since their incarnation last year. It's in the S3 Links area of the website. We don't have a ton of links there, but what we do link to is, in my opinion, some of the best online. We are very choosy about our linkages. Also, I would like to recommend hte Watcher's Syndicate for other great VM (and LOST and BSG) content. Vlad #blush# #blush# Sorry, Vlad. I guess I've been too overwhelmed by all the good stuff on our home page, this just never caught my eye. Anna
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Post by Pixi on Oct 11, 2005 12:24:58 GMT -5
Spring - great review as always. After a week of thinking about and rewatching things I can actually feel even more intensely what RT is up to. I liked the way you picked up on the waking up. You always find something that I haven't read anywhere else to comment on. Re the confusion between mayoral and supervisor - the mayoral was a mistake made by the staff in the first episode. I guess in San Diego if there is a sheriff, they can't have a mayor - I read a discussion of this somewhere but the bottom line is they had to change what he was running for because it wasn't feasibly possible for him to be a mayor. And I agree wholeheartedly that Logan is replicating Aaron's trysting and looking for punishment. He is almost asking to be punished by his "dad" again. Poor Logan - so alone and so confused and with so many issues. Though Logan - stop kicking Cassidy. Loved his knitting line. When I reported fandom dislike about Jackie, I didn't say that's where I am. I am meh on her. Acting wise several of her lines were really off in the episode. I've seen Tessa in other shows where she has been fabulous so I know she has the acting chops. I'm giving her a "first episode in an established cast nervousness" break. I often end up loving the characters I initially dislike as in Logan, Lamb and Dick. Oh I love Dick this year!!! This week's episode has me really excited. I think things are kicking into high gear and the roller coaster ride of VM has hit the crest of the climb and is about to start swooping and swerving all over the place leaving us breathless. Thanks for the review feedback, Pixi. I feel the same way you do about Jackie. She was OK - has potential, but basically, I am reserving judgment. I like the idea of a girlfriend for Wallace, but I'm not sure yet that she's good enough for our Wallace. What did you think about the idea of Woody setting Keith up for something? Did you pick up the "vibes" between Don & Woody during that press conference, or was I imagining things? Completely. Woody is completely up to no good. The vibes were almost emanating off of him. Frankly I am a wee bit disappointed at this point in the Gute as I felt his scenes have been bland and almost totally anvilicious. Poor black players who want to get on the field - check. Rich white players in nice uniforms on the field - check. Fight between players illustrating class warfare - check. Oh please. There simply has to be more to it than that because Rob is no way, no how that lame. Really, really weak scene. And the cuts to Woody during Lamb's press conference -hello - the only thing missing there was the playing of Dum dum, dum music to illustrate something is up. So I'm pretty sure Rob has something up his crafty little sleeve. I have to believe that because he did Cupid and VM - season 1. I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place when UPN sent him the renewal mandates - we want sex and we want a triangle. So Rob had to sort of sweep the almost rape/not really a rape under the blanket and muzzle the sizzling hot Veornica/ Logan storyline and make this all work. I think the key is definetely nothing is as it seems. What we think we see is not really what is going on. So Veronica will discover normal =bad. I do kind of blame RT a little for writing Donut so completely bland. I have to disagree with Vlad here and pull on my acting expertise though. Teddy Dunn never, ever took an acting class. He was studying to be a lawyer. He doesn't know how to add the layers that would make even a character so bland interesting enough to make this triangle compelling. I do think something is up with Donut. I do hope he explodes in psychotic rage or has some hidden agenda. I think there's more to the Meg scenes than meet the eye and I suspect that Duncan had sex with Meg before the breakup. But I still think that TD is just not as accomplished at acting as he could be and therefore unable to add the layers that RT needs to keep this from being boring and bland. But then those are just my two cents. ;D
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Post by iadorespike on Oct 11, 2005 12:42:15 GMT -5
Spring - great review as always. After a week of thinking about and rewatching things I can actually feel even more intensely what RT is up to. I liked the way you picked up on the waking up. You always find something that I haven't read anywhere else to comment on. Re the confusion between mayoral and supervisor - the mayoral was a mistake made by the staff in the first episode. I guess in San Diego if there is a sheriff, they can't have a mayor - I read a discussion of this somewhere but the bottom line is they had to change what he was running for because it wasn't feasibly possible for him to be a mayor. And I agree wholeheartedly that Logan is replicating Aaron's trysting and looking for punishment. He is almost asking to be punished by his "dad" again. Poor Logan - so alone and so confused and with so many issues. Though Logan - stop kicking Cassidy. Loved his knitting line. When I reported fandom dislike about Jackie, I didn't say that's where I am. I am meh on her. Acting wise several of her lines were really off in the episode. I've seen Tessa in other shows where she has been fabulous so I know she has the acting chops. I'm giving her a "first episode in an established cast nervousness" break. I often end up loving the characters I initially dislike as in Logan, Lamb and Dick. Oh I love Dick this year!!! This week's episode has me really excited. I think things are kicking into high gear and the roller coaster ride of VM has hit the crest of the climb and is about to start swooping and swerving all over the place leaving us breathless. Thanks for the review feedback, Pixi. I feel the same way you do about Jackie. She was OK - has potential, but basically, I am reserving judgment. I like the idea of a girlfriend for Wallace, but I'm not sure yet that she's good enough for our Wallace. What did you think about the idea of Woody setting Keith up for something? Did you pick up the "vibes" between Don & Woody during that press conference, or was I imagining things? Hey, Spring. I agree with Pixi - great review. You focused on a few things I'd had skirting my mind - helped me focus. I don't trust Woody either - something is going on there. I do think (hope and pray) that Keith isn't jumping into a viper pit, but I think he'll handle it. Wherever this is going, it will definitely be a "messy and painful journey" for Veronica. Thanks, Anna
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 11, 2005 13:27:34 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Spring. I really enjoyed it and you always manage to pick up on things I miss in my obsessiveness about the stupid little things that hold no significance. I have gone forth and pimped it so that others will come and enjoy your smartness too. I like your idea about the images of waking up throuhout the episode. Which, kind of interesting when you think about the fact that Meg can't wake up right now. I wonder if that will play into things or if it's some foreshadowing of what's to come? You brought up that Dick C Sr talks about the difference between work and family and I think we can get some of those vibes off of the scene between Jackie and her Dad as well. I don't know the backstory there but I'm guessing, in the past, her dad chose work over family. Again, I wonder if that is going to be an on-going theme this year. Even Keith, at first, is chosing family over work. He thinks running to be Sheriff again will just stir up old hurts for Veronica and chooses her over that before he's reminded of why Veronica wants him to run. So, I wonder if those choices are going to keep coming up as the season progresses and if they'll play a larger part in the overall mystery? I have to ask... when you talk about Veronica having sex with the relatively safe, nice-guy Duncan, is that your perception of him or do you think that's Veronica's perception of him? I ask because I have a hard time seeing Duncan as a nice-guy. I'm not even sure I see him as any safer than Logan. Not that I'm disputing Logan as the bad-boy because he's definitely that but I think Duncan is more of a bad boy than people give him credit for being. Hmmm, he's very much the politician in that regard. On the surface, he appears to be the nice-guy and yet we've all seen that he doesn't really live up to that ideal. (Though, I clearly see that Veronica wants to deny what she knows about him because she wants to go back to being the naive girl she was who accepted a lot of what she saw on the surface rather than what she suspects lurks underneath.) Which, leads me right to Woody. I'm right there with you in distrusting him. Again, I point to Duncan as the example. He's coming off as a great candidate right now - an all around nice guy. Hmmm, there's that term again. Clearly, though, something doesn't quite fit. I didn't catch the looks between he and Lamb during the press conference but I did feel like something was off there. I need to rewatch... I'm a little suspicious of Woody and am wondering if he had anything to do with that bus crash. He seemed a bit too interested in what was being said in that press conference - in how they were attacking Lamb for the way he's been investigating it. I don't know if he's behind it yet but I think he's up to no good.
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 11, 2005 13:38:32 GMT -5
Completely. Woody is completely up to no good. The vibes were almost emanating off of him. Frankly I am a wee bit disappointed at this point in the Gute as I felt his scenes have been bland and almost totally anvilicious. Poor black players who want to get on the field - check. Rich white players in nice uniforms on the field - check. Fight between players illustrating class warfare - check. Oh please. There simply has to be more to it than that because Rob is no way, no how that lame. Really, really weak scene. Pixi - I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in Gute too. Which, odd, considering I love him in everything he does. It makes me wonder if it's all being done intentionally. Again, I've decided that I need to see where we are going this season before I judge these first few episodes too harshly. I did that last season and, now when I look back, I can see how things were done with a goal in mind and we just couldn't see it yet. Anyway. That's not what I was going to post about! I think the baseball scene wasn't just to restate the obvious for us. No, I think it was about Keith and Woody - not the players. I was distracted by the conflict in the background so I had to fight my attention to just watch the interaction between Woody and Keith. So, my first inclination is that this is exactly what we're going to have going on this season. There's this class warefare going on in Neptune but it's really just being encouraged by someone to keep us distracted from what's really happening. Also, look how Woody swoops right in there in the end and seems to solve the problem... well, if he had immediately hurried his kids off the field at the right time, he wouldn't have been the one to 'stop the fight.' I think that's an important clue to Woody's roll this season. Now - the part I'm not sure about is what Keith got from that scene. Did he get it? He was very much aware of what was going on with the kids the whole time - keeping an eye on them as they disagreed over the field. He's playing nice to Woody there and I'm not sure if he sees through his 'let's just all get along' speech or not? It's Keith so I tend to think yes and, yet, he gave in and told Woody he'd run with him. Hmm. The jury is still out. PS - On the mayoral mess up, did we see a mayor of Neptune last year? I could have sworn we had Lamb and the mayor coming to see Keith in <i>Silence of the Lamb</i> when they needed him to come back and help them catch the E-String Strangler? Oh well, I just think it's funny. They had already set a precedent that Neptune did have a mayor so they could have continued with that - even if it isn't how it really works in CA. (Of course I can fanwank this to be that they all call that guy the mayor because that's basically the position - even though that's not really the title of it.)
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Post by Pixi on Oct 11, 2005 15:23:18 GMT -5
Completely. Woody is completely up to no good. The vibes were almost emanating off of him. Frankly I am a wee bit disappointed at this point in the Gute as I felt his scenes have been bland and almost totally anvilicious. Poor black players who want to get on the field - check. Rich white players in nice uniforms on the field - check. Fight between players illustrating class warfare - check. Oh please. There simply has to be more to it than that because Rob is no way, no how that lame. Really, really weak scene. Pixi - I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in Gute too. Which, odd, considering I love him in everything he does. It makes me wonder if it's all being done intentionally. Again, I've decided that I need to see where we are going this season before I judge these first few episodes too harshly. I did that last season and, now when I look back, I can see how things were done with a goal in mind and we just couldn't see it yet. Anyway. That's not what I was going to post about! I think the baseball scene wasn't just to restate the obvious for us. No, I think it was about Keith and Woody - not the players. I was distracted by the conflict in the background so I had to fight my attention to just watch the interaction between Woody and Keith. So, my first inclination is that this is exactly what we're going to have going on this season. There's this class warefare going on in Neptune but it's really just being encouraged by someone to keep us distracted from what's really happening. Also, look how Woody swoops right in there in the end and seems to solve the problem... well, if he had immediately hurried his kids off the field at the right time, he wouldn't have been the one to 'stop the fight.' I think that's an important clue to Woody's roll this season. Now - the part I'm not sure about is what Keith got from that scene. Did he get it? He was very much aware of what was going on with the kids the whole time - keeping an eye on them as they disagreed over the field. He's playing nice to Woody there and I'm not sure if he sees through his 'let's just all get along' speech or not? It's Keith so I tend to think yes and, yet, he gave in and told Woody he'd run with him. Hmm. The jury is still out. PS - On the mayoral mess up, did we see a mayor of Neptune last year? I could have sworn we had Lamb and the mayor coming to see Keith in <i>Silence of the Lamb</i> when they needed him to come back and help them catch the E-String Strangler? Oh well, I just think it's funny. They had already set a precedent that Neptune did have a mayor so they could have continued with that - even if it isn't how it really works in CA. (Of course I can fanwank this to be that they all call that guy the mayor because that's basically the position - even though that's not really the title of it.) Yes - I love the Gute in all his other incarnations so I think it's deliberate. I think everything is misdirected, layers beneath layers, hidden agendas. And I love the tie in to Meg who can't wake up. Good call. Yes, - I believe Duncan and Woody have hidden layers under their good guy exteriors. I can't wait for the explosion. I didn't catch that the scene was supposed to be about Keith and Woody and if so that's all to the good but the casual viewer is not going to get that. They are just going to get a boring scene here. I was almost kind of bored as much as I love Keith. So I agree that the scene was about more than the boring illustration of class warfare and to be honest - I don't think that's what this year is all about ultimately either. Because it has to be personal to invest the viewer. I care about earthquakes - I care more when the earthquake focuses on so and so and their experience in it. So if class warfare plays into it, it has to be background stuff. I'm really looking forward to moving forward on this tomorrow. By now I've read so much wild and really interesting speculation that absolutely nothing will surprise me. No spoilers - I'm still on the spoiler free train but I've read some spec inadvertently that makes me go yes, yes, yes.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 11, 2005 16:10:35 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Spring. I really enjoyed it and you always manage to pick up on things I miss in my obsessiveness about the stupid little things that hold no significance. I have gone forth and pimped it so that others will come and enjoy your smartness too. Thank you, for the postive feedback and the most excellent pimpage. Good catch on the Meg-image being another "waking up" image. I think, in general, we're going to be watching the characters "wake up" to certain realities (both internal about their own feelings, and external, about others) this season - though how this will work for Meg in particular I don't know. Meg - what do you suppose she represents? A part of Veronica that's sleeping -that's dead due to being hurt - and needs to wake up? Yes - really, every scene in the ep referred to this sort of thing. I don't know how big a part learning to balance head/heart issues will play in the particular mystery this season, but it is a huge part of growing up, establishing your idenity, and as a basically "coming of age" type show, VM is all about that. I agree that Duncan is not a perfect person, by any means. For example, he certainly seems to have "done Meg wrong," and he strikes me as somewhat self-involved and immature, making wrong choices like holding all that stuff inside last year, and trying to leave town. Like every other teen on the show, he's got a lot of growing up to do. But compared to Logan, on the surface, Duncan is a "standard issue nice guy." He doesn't set stuff on fire, or knock Veronica's furniture around in her home (I don't hold the epilepsy induced fits against him on the nice-guy meter, and I think every time we've seen Duncan go "into a rage" it's been due to the illness.) He doesn't like to "bust chops," and he doesn't cruise around looking for trouble. He would never screw his friend's mom, I'd say, or arrange fights amongst the homeless. Logan is a lot more . . . immediately dangerous and unpredictable than Duncan. He's a possible powder keg; he's 100 yr old dynamite. I think that's for real - it's a real difference between them. If Logan is going to hurt you, you're gonna get your guts ripped out all at once; you're gonna get splattered all over the place, all of a sudden. You'll know exactly what hit you: Logan. Note how he aimed right for the heart, and hit it. The ways Duncan could hurt you are a lot more subtle and less immediate (the way he hurt Meg). Duncan, if he's going to hurt you, it's going to be a lot more like slow poison. You may not even be sure what hit you. It make take you awhile to realize you're hurting. On top of the very real differences that make Logan so much more identifiable as a Bad Boy, is Veronica's idealization of Duncan and her relationship with him, and her very real need to feel safe and secure (which isn't how Logan makes her feel). I don't really see either guy as "better" than the other in some objective way, when it comes to nice/bad. They're both so young and still figuring it out; I don't see either as, underneath it all, badly intentioned. All their foibles have been understandable, given their youth and circumstances. I do think that Veronica's in love with Logan though, not Duncan, underneath it all. I mean, she's crazy about him, but that scares the living daylights out of her, and who can blame her? That's how it reads to me right now. Yes - Woody up to no good!! Don't know if he'll be directly involved in the bus crash thing, but he is not a nice-guy.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 12, 2005 11:58:19 GMT -5
Brava, Spring! Another great analysis! I really liked your identification of the "heart and head" theme (thank you for the imagery, Mr. Casablancas ) My favorite of the examples you provided were Veronica changing her mind about helping Jesse and Keith changing his mind about running for Sheriff. I hadn't how very much Veronica and Keith are mirroring each other until you placed these right next to each other. I would even suggest that both of these examples could be interpreted as examples of your second theme: making a choice that makes sense AND feels right - really "waking up". Keith was thinking only of the emotional pain that another election might cause Veronica. Seeing the shoddy way that Jesse is treated by the Neptune PD not only touches his heart but also shows him that it makes sense to have a better person in charge. Veronica is trying to save herself from hurt, trying to safeguard her feelings by retreating into a "normal" life. No wacky and dangerous detectiving for her anymore! Seeing the shoddy way that Jesse is being treated by the other students not only moves her emotionally because it reminds her of the way she was treated last year, but also is an excellent reminder of why Neptune High needs someone who will dig for the truth and stand up for the "not haves". Very good eye - catching the idea that Dick Sr and Kendall's abrupt "waking" of Cassidy leads directly to his discovery and suspicion of step-mom. Also excellent were your comments on Logan. So far this year, we've seen how he is sort of mirroring Veronica's role from last season. Now you've added the very very clever concept that Logan is playing "Lilly" to Kendall's "Aaron". And the way you link this to the continuing daddy issues was great! Really thought provoking analysis, Spring! Thanks!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 12, 2005 12:05:35 GMT -5
Completely. Woody is completely up to no good. The vibes were almost emanating off of him. Frankly I am a wee bit disappointed at this point in the Gute as I felt his scenes have been bland and almost totally anvilicious. Poor black players who want to get on the field - check. Rich white players in nice uniforms on the field - check. Fight between players illustrating class warfare - check. Oh please. There simply has to be more to it than that because Rob is no way, no how that lame. Really, really weak scene. Pixi - I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in Gute too. Which, odd, considering I love him in everything he does. It makes me wonder if it's all being done intentionally. Again, I've decided that I need to see where we are going this season before I judge these first few episodes too harshly. I did that last season and, now when I look back, I can see how things were done with a goal in mind and we just couldn't see it yet. Anyway. That's not what I was going to post about! I think the baseball scene wasn't just to restate the obvious for us. No, I think it was about Keith and Woody - not the players. I was distracted by the conflict in the background so I had to fight my attention to just watch the interaction between Woody and Keith. So, my first inclination is that this is exactly what we're going to have going on this season. There's this class warefare going on in Neptune but it's really just being encouraged by someone to keep us distracted from what's really happening. Also, look how Woody swoops right in there in the end and seems to solve the problem... well, if he had immediately hurried his kids off the field at the right time, he wouldn't have been the one to 'stop the fight.' I think that's an important clue to Woody's roll this season. Now - the part I'm not sure about is what Keith got from that scene. Did he get it? He was very much aware of what was going on with the kids the whole time - keeping an eye on them as they disagreed over the field. He's playing nice to Woody there and I'm not sure if he sees through his 'let's just all get along' speech or not? It's Keith so I tend to think yes and, yet, he gave in and told Woody he'd run with him. Hmm. The jury is still out. PS - On the mayoral mess up, did we see a mayor of Neptune last year? I could have sworn we had Lamb and the mayor coming to see Keith in <i>Silence of the Lamb</i> when they needed him to come back and help them catch the E-String Strangler? Oh well, I just think it's funny. They had already set a precedent that Neptune did have a mayor so they could have continued with that - even if it isn't how it really works in CA. (Of course I can fanwank this to be that they all call that guy the mayor because that's basically the position - even though that's not really the title of it.) **nods nods nods** The idea of misdirection, someone in power using the class tensions and warfare to their advantage. Add this to the idea of a group as guilty party, some kind of conspiracy. Well, it just seems like they match really well.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2005 14:48:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the review feedback, Pixi. I feel the same way you do about Jackie. She was OK - has potential, but basically, I am reserving judgment. I like the idea of a girlfriend for Wallace, but I'm not sure yet that she's good enough for our Wallace. What did you think about the idea of Woody setting Keith up for something? Did you pick up the "vibes" between Don & Woody during that press conference, or was I imagining things? Hey, Spring. I agree with Pixi - great review. You focused on a few things I'd had skirting my mind - helped me focus. I don't trust Woody either - something is going on there. I do think (hope and pray) that Keith isn't jumping into a viper pit, but I think he'll handle it. Wherever this is going, it will definitely be a "messy and painful journey" for Veronica. Thanks, Anna Thanks for the input, Anna. I like the "viper pit" imagery, and that's just where Keith might find himself, but as we learned last season, Keith knows how to handle himself with snakes.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2005 14:55:50 GMT -5
Brava, Spring! Another great analysis! I really liked your identification of the "heart and head" theme (thank you for the imagery, Mr. Casablancas ) My favorite of the examples you provided were Veronica changing her mind about helping Jesse and Keith changing his mind about running for Sheriff. I hadn't how very much Veronica and Keith are mirroring each other until you placed these right next to each other. I would even suggest that both of these examples could be interpreted as examples of your second theme: making a choice that makes sense AND feels right - really "waking up". Keith was thinking only of the emotional pain that another election might cause Veronica. Seeing the shoddy way that Jesse is treated by the Neptune PD not only touches his heart but also shows him that it makes sense to have a better person in charge. Veronica is trying to save herself from hurt, trying to safeguard her feelings by retreating into a "normal" life. No wacky and dangerous detectiving for her anymore! Seeing the shoddy way that Jesse is being treated by the other students not only moves her emotionally because it reminds her of the way she was treated last year, but also is an excellent reminder of why Neptune High needs someone who will dig for the truth and stand up for the "not haves". Yes, I think it all hangs together exactly that way. Thanks for the excellent feedback, Lola. By the way, I wish I'd had more time to talk to you at S'cubiefest! There were so many S'cubies, so little time! Yes. I thought the way Veronica was being so sarcastic with Lamb, followed by Logan being so sarcastic with Dick Sr was also a deliberate parallel, as was Veronica telling Duncan "I suck," and Logan later telling Kendall it must "suck to be with a younger guy." Lots of V/L paralleling going on. They both use their sharp wits to deal with those over whom they have little real control, and are authority figures (they delight in knowing they are smarter, are pulling something on the sheriff/dad); they both are indulging in sex that they are hoping will fill the void they've left in each other, while saying things about how it must "suck" for the other person. Hmmm. You're welcome!
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Post by zimshan on Oct 12, 2005 16:10:17 GMT -5
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT review Spring! I'm always amazed at how much you can find in these scripts. You managed to neatly bring almost everything under the one scope of 'head and heart'. Everything so easily falls into place under this theme. If I picked one quote from this episode that I thought stuck out the most, it would be that one. But I couldn't for the life of me see how it fit in the broad scope of things. But, yes, every choice was accompanied by an opposing choice. Sense vs. feeling. Motives of the head vs motives of the heart. That's the episode in a nutshell. I stand in awe.
So that's how that quote relates. I looked at that forever, trying to figure out how that fit with the rest of the episode. Bugged me to bits! Thanks for straighting that out.
The images of waking up was a great catch! And reading your later comment about Meg's inability to wake up echoing Veronica's suppression of who she was last year is just brillant. I think you just nailed it on the head the greater purpose of why Meg survived. There's something about that that fits all the pieces together and makes perfect sense.
Woody definitely seems like he's up to no good! Those strange looks that he gave Lamb definitely looked like those two had something up their sleeves. I heard people saying that the scene was just Woody checking up on Lamb and seeing how bad a job he was doing. All I can say is if that's what it was supposed to show, those actors sure were playing it wrong!
Hmmm. I don't know about this one. While I agree that his actions with Kendall are close to suidical, I had gotten the impression that in this scene, a small part of Logan actually wants to please Mr.Casablancas. Which shocked me. I would have thought he was beyond caring. But I think it shows how close to a father figure this man is to him. Notice how hard he tries to get a good shot. Logan takes the first two shots and then, hoping to get better control of the gun, grips it with two hands. From what we've seen, this family is literally the only thing he has left and I think a small part of him does care.
And I loved this conclusion! Such a perfect way to end! Real life can never be reduced to a math problem...
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2005 20:35:25 GMT -5
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT review Spring! I'm always amazed at how much you can find in these scripts. You managed to neatly bring almost everything under the one scope of 'head and heart'. Everything so easily falls into place under this theme. If I picked one quote from this episode that I thought stuck out the most, it would be that one. But I couldn't for the life of me see how it fit in the broad scope of things. But, yes, every choice was accompanied by an opposing choice. Sense vs. feeling. Motives of the head vs motives of the heart. That's the episode in a nutshell. I stand in awe. Thanks for nice words! It just encourages me, though. Hee! Well put. Either those two are up to something together, or both actors need a good talking to! Oh- I agree! These things are not mutually exclusive; they fit together well to the "father/son" scenario, for Logan. Contempt and competition mixed with a need and desire for approval. All very Oedipal. Thanks again, zimshan.
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