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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 4:58:33 GMT -5
Woody did it! - Aaron did it! - Terrence did it!
Curly did it! - Weevil did it! - Logan did it!
Meg's baby did it! DISCUSS!! Kendall/Priscilla did it, of course. With Dick Sr., and Logan, and maybe Duncan.... Oh, different "it", huh? Well, for no good reason other than I'd like to see CC do cold-blooded killer, I'm picking her for next year's "get out of jail free" person, too. TANJ! I don't think it can be Woody, as that's putting a "Hi, I'm the murderer!" sign around any other "whatever happened to" stars that join the cast next year. Should there be one.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 5, 2006 6:40:14 GMT -5
Woody did it! - Aaron did it! - Terrence did it!
Curly did it! - Weevil did it! - Logan did it!
Meg's baby did it! DISCUSS!! Kendall/Priscilla did it, of course. With Dick Sr., and Logan, and maybe Duncan.... Oh, different "it", huh? Well, for no good reason other than I'd like to see CC do cold-blooded killer, I'm picking her for next year's "get out of jail free" person, too. TANJ! I don't think it can be Woody, as that's putting a "Hi, I'm the murderer!" sign around any other "whatever happened to" stars that join the cast next year. Should there be one. Just so long as they don't change her hair color.
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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 6:54:59 GMT -5
Kendall/Priscilla did it, of course. With Dick Sr., and Logan, and maybe Duncan.... Oh, different "it", huh? Well, for no good reason other than I'd like to see CC do cold-blooded killer, I'm picking her for next year's "get out of jail free" person, too. TANJ! I don't think it can be Woody, as that's putting a "Hi, I'm the murderer!" sign around any other "whatever happened to" stars that join the cast next year. Should there be one. Just so long as they don't change her hair color. Yeah, I should have said "again". And, at least noone she did on VM was as squicky as Connor. Unless there was something going on with Dick Jr. we never were shown.
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Post by Lola m on May 5, 2006 7:31:38 GMT -5
Woody did it! - Aaron did it! - Terrence did it!
Curly did it! - Weevil did it! - Logan did it!
Meg's baby did it! DISCUSS!! Kendall/Priscilla did it, of course. With Dick Sr., and Logan, and maybe Duncan.... Oh, different "it", huh? Well, for no good reason other than I'd like to see CC do cold-blooded killer, I'm picking her for next year's "get out of jail free" person, too. TANJ! I don't think it can be Woody, as that's putting a "Hi, I'm the murderer!" sign around any other "whatever happened to" stars that join the cast next year. Should there be one. Now I really really want them to somehow actually hang a "Hi! I'm the murderer" sign on someone next year.
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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 7:34:22 GMT -5
Okay, having watched "Happy Go Lucky" last night, here are my rambling thoughts.... Unlike Pixi, I thought the trial was just about perfect. I had been concerned that we might get an extended period where Veronica Mars tried to be Neptune Law. For those who saw S1, there was no need to rehash last year's events in detail. And for those who didn't, take a moment off from emptying your drool buckets to buy the DVD's already and catch up! They've been discounted to $30; skip a couple of haircuts and go for it! (Why is Amazon pairing VM S1 with Serenity? Even with Joss' love for the show it seems an odd coupling.) Anyway, the trial covered newer stuff. Veronica's STD getting outed to Keith, Keith's breaking point and quick reflexes, Logan telling the truth despite Aaron's intimidation... The trial showed just enough to give us some great moments with our favorite characters. It also made the acquittal plausible. I didn't watch Hamlin much on LA Law, and Clash of the Titans didn't endear him to me either. But his portrayal of Echolls is excellent. (Should that be Ech-cellent? Nahhhh.) It's a whole "play within a play", with Hamlin portraying psycho-Echolls portraying Echolls-the-victim. To a lesser degree, I feel the same way about Gutenberg as Woody. He is the Wood Man (goo goo ga choob?); a character whose every expression looks carved. I believe he's been directed to play Goodman as soulless. That's what I've seen since Woody was introduced. Nothing about him has ever rung true. I hated the moment when Veronica walked out of her Western Civ test. I hated that someone (Keith?) sent her the message at the beginning of the test. I understand her stated desire to see Aaron at the moment of his conviction, but she didn't choose wisely. Yeah, we all knew something would keep her out of Stanford. But this seems to me to say her dream of going there wasn't very deep. Veronica's non-goodbye with Wallace was very good. I also thought the "good news, bad news" with Weevil was well done, as his "B" in algebra gets trumped by an impending arrest that would seem to cut out the chance of his grandmother seeing him walk across the stage to "Pomp and Circumstance". As much as I hated seeing Keith lose the election earlier this year, it was the right choice for the drama. Things work much better with Keith on the outside, badgering Lamb and trying to cajole him into doing the right thing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week. Based on the speculation I've read, I think Veronica will identify the killer. She will mobilize her fellow seniors at Neptune High to take the killer down, against an army of law enforcement officers. Finally, she'll lure the killer into Neptune High, escaping just as Keith makes a cell phone call that blows up the school, saving his daughter and eliminating the murderer. Why do I have this feeling of deja vu?
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2006 7:37:11 GMT -5
Oooh, another person on the "I think Beaver did it" train with me!! ;D I keep changing my opinion on the actual actual "doer", but I'm leaning toward Curly, as hired by a group that included Beaver. And that the bomb went a bit farther than they intended. As my second wildly speculative guess, I'm picking a consortium of adults, who all link back to the "Boatloads of Fun" group, and who are involved in some type of extremely sordid sex and drug ring. Because that would make for one heck of an "outing" and surprise. ;D All of which means, of course, that it actually was Woody or Aaron. Since I've picked neither. Wait! I mean, the baby! It was actually the baby! I like the baby also! I mean - it was right there, in Meg's tummy - it was on the scene! Beaver - I am not understanding this theory. What woud Beav's motive be for sending his classmates over a cliff? Not that I have any better ideas, I just like Cassidy so I don't want it to be him, and he just doesn't seem evil enough. On the other hand Woody seems TOO evil (as in too obvious). Oh, heck. I don't know. How about . . . uh . . . uh . . . uh . . . hmmm. And how does the taped rat fit in? The bus was purposely made smelly, which Dick pointed out. And then . . . how about it IS Woody, which would be no surprise, but the surprise part is elsewhere, as in something that is revealed about someone else, as part of the whole revelation? SOMETHING is going on in that Casablancas family, that's for sure. "Sally," "Amber," life insurance policies, a step-mom who isn't who she say she is, a shady dad . . . I hate for the bad seed to be Cassidy though. I'd rather it be that nasty Dick, or Dick Sr. Spring - my theory is that Beaver, Marcos, Peter and probably Lucky - all part of the molested, took the bomb to the stadium to plant it there. Probably it was in the goodie bag that Peter threw in the trash. But Dick took it out of the trash to give to Bettina. So now - bomb on the bus. I don't think his plan was to kill his friends and all the kids. I do think Beaver has been molested. Also - there is a wild out there possibility that he has some other sexual things going on - that tie in with the Sally and Amber that I won't elaborate on. I think the rat might have been a prank by Logan. He was standing by the bus and it is more on the line of pool burning. Just make the bus smell bad. Could be.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2006 7:40:29 GMT -5
Okay, having watched "Happy Go Lucky" last night, here are my rambling thoughts.... Unlike Pixi, I thought the trial was just about perfect. I had been concerned that we might get an extended period where Veronica Mars tried to be Neptune Law. For those who saw S1, there was no need to rehash last year's events in detail. And for those who didn't, take a moment off from emptying your drool buckets to buy the DVD's already and catch up! They've been discounted to $30; skip a couple of haircuts and go for it! (Why is Amazon pairing VM S1 with Serenity? Even with Joss' love for the show it seems an odd coupling.) Anyway, the trial covered newer stuff. Veronica's STD getting outed to Keith, Keith's breaking point and quick reflexes, Logan telling the truth despite Aaron's intimidation... The trial showed just enough to give us some great moments with our favorite characters. It also made the acquittal plausible. I didn't watch Hamlin much on LA Law, and Clash of the Titans didn't endear him to me either. But his portrayal of Echolls is excellent. (Should that be Ech-cellent? Nahhhh.) It's a whole "play within a play", with Hamlin portraying psycho-Echolls portraying Echolls-the-victim. To a lesser degree, I feel the same way about Gutenberg as Woody. He is the Wood Man (goo goo ga choob?); a character whose every expression looks carved. I believe he's been directed to play Goodman as soulless. That's what I've seen since Woody was introduced. Nothing about him has ever rung true. I hated the moment when Veronica walked out of her Western Civ test. I hated that someone (Keith?) sent her the message at the beginning of the test. I understand her stated desire to see Aaron at the moment of his conviction, but she didn't choose wisely. Yeah, we all knew something would keep her out of Stanford. But this seems to me to say her dream of going there wasn't very deep. Veronica's non-goodbye with Wallace was very good. I also thought the "good news, bad news" with Weevil was well done, as his "B" in algebra gets trumped by an impending arrest that would seem to cut out the chance of his grandmother seeing him walk across the stage to "Pomp and Circumstance". As much as I hated seeing Keith lose the election earlier this year, it was the right choice for the drama. Things work much better with Keith on the outside, badgering Lamb and trying to cajole him into doing the right thing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week. Based on the speculation I've read, I think Veronica will identify the killer. She will mobilize her fellow seniors at Neptune High to take the killer down, against an army of law enforcement officers. Finally, she'll lure the killer into Neptune High, escaping just as Keith makes a cell phone call that blows up the school, saving his daughter and eliminating the murderer. Why do I have this feeling of deja vu? Hee - deja vu indeed. Well - it's good someone liked the trial as it has been widely trounced everywhere I've been. I think it could have worked with one little scene - one scene of emotional intensity showing how this was affecting Logan (Jason was off his game - I get what he was trying to show but it wasn't enough). Too many reaction shots of Lamb, not enough emotional intensity whatsoever.
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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 8:00:19 GMT -5
Hee - deja vu indeed. Well - it's good someone liked the trial as it has been widely trounced everywhere I've been. I think it could have worked with one little scene - one scene of emotional intensity showing how this was affecting Logan (Jason was off his game - I get what he was trying to show but it wasn't enough). Too many reaction shots of Lamb, not enough emotional intensity whatsoever. Never let it be said I'm afraid to swim against the crowd... I'll take Logan's testimony in court. To me, Logan came across as drained and defeated. This seemed more real to me than some emotional outburst. He testified to the truth, knowing his dad would get off. He had seen it all before, repeated throughout his life. Aaron does monstrous things, none of which mars the public façade. Why would this time be any different? I just think Logan's emotions would be spent at this point. So, while an emotional catharsis might have been satisfying for those wanting to see JD demonstrate his range, I can understand why what we got instead was much more subdued and defeatist in tone. But then, I'm an engineer, not a dramatic type.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2006 8:54:35 GMT -5
Hee - deja vu indeed. Well - it's good someone liked the trial as it has been widely trounced everywhere I've been. I think it could have worked with one little scene - one scene of emotional intensity showing how this was affecting Logan (Jason was off his game - I get what he was trying to show but it wasn't enough). Too many reaction shots of Lamb, not enough emotional intensity whatsoever. Never let it be said I'm afraid to swim against the crowd... I'll take Logan's testimony in court. To me, Logan came across as drained and defeated. This seemed more real to me than some emotional outburst. He testified to the truth, knowing his dad would get off. He had seen it all before, repeated throughout his life. Aaron does monstrous things, none of which mars the public façade. Why would this time be any different? I just think Logan's emotions would be spent at this point. So, while an emotional catharsis might have been satisfying for those wanting to see JD demonstrate his range, I can understand why what we got instead was much more subdued and defeatist in tone. But then, I'm an engineer, not a dramatic type. I do get what you're saying and I think this was Jason's acting choice here and I can agree with all those emotions. Except there was no eye contact with Veronica at any point and even though drained and exhausted and hopeless - there needed to be some passion somewhere. The trial felt hollow and empty. This trial was something fans have been waiting for forever. Forever! And all we get is chylmadia talk? They could have totally dispensed with the trial and just dealt with the aftermath. I get they were going for inevitable, hopeless but that's what the viewer was left with too. We just needed more there. But I agree that is what Jason chose to play and I can understand the motivation. It is just that for television, such a hotly anticipated event - needed more. Plus we have like a gazillion things to tie up next week and some of that should have been done this week. Too much Weevil gets a B and not enough bus answers.
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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 9:26:12 GMT -5
I do get what you're saying and I think this was Jason's acting choice here and I can agree with all those emotions. Except there was no eye contact with Veronica at any point and even though drained and exhausted and hopeless - there needed to be some passion somewhere. The trial felt hollow and empty. This trial was something fans have been waiting for forever. Forever! And all we get is chylmadia talk? They could have totally dispensed with the trial and just dealt with the aftermath. I get they were going for inevitable, hopeless but that's what the viewer was left with too. We just needed more there. But I agree that is what Jason chose to play and I can understand the motivation. It is just that for television, such a hotly anticipated event - needed more. Plus we have like a gazillion things to tie up next week and some of that should have been done this week. Too much Weevil gets a B and not enough bus answers. Again, I'm swimming upstream. ;D I was never looking forward to the trial, because I didn't see it playing to the strengths of the show. Plus, I dreaded the verdict, knowing it would enrage me to no good end. You're more in touch with the fan base certainly. I agree it looks like an impossible task to tie up all the loose ends. I suspect they won't, leaving some as teasers for the hoped-for S3. Thanks for the Kristin hint. I can use all the positive news about VM I can get.
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Post by raenstorm on May 5, 2006 9:32:17 GMT -5
Spring - my theory is that Beaver, Marcos, Peter and probably Lucky - all part of the molested, took the bomb to the stadium to plant it there. Probably it was in the goodie bag that Peter threw in the trash. But Dick took it out of the trash to give to Bettina. So now - bomb on the bus. I don't think his plan was to kill his friends and all the kids. I do think Beaver has been molested. Also - there is a wild out there possibility that he has some other sexual things going on - that tie in with the Sally and Amber that I won't elaborate on. I think the rat might have been a prank by Logan. He was standing by the bus and it is more on the line of pool burning. Just make the bus smell bad. Could be. Pixi. I actually love that theory. For many reasons. (It's not the same as Erin's, BTW, she has different motives for Beaver - making the bus crash NOT an accident... but I like yours better.) HOWEVER. My one problem with it is that I'd have expected Beaver to be more remorseful this year if he had accidentally killed a bus load of his peers... especially two of which he'd gone through so much with.
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Post by rae fell off teh board on May 5, 2006 9:33:44 GMT -5
Spring - my theory is that Beaver, Marcos, Peter and probably Lucky - all part of the molested, took the bomb to the stadium to plant it there. Probably it was in the goodie bag that Peter threw in the trash. But Dick took it out of the trash to give to Bettina. So now - bomb on the bus. I don't think his plan was to kill his friends and all the kids. I do think Beaver has been molested. Also - there is a wild out there possibility that he has some other sexual things going on - that tie in with the Sally and Amber that I won't elaborate on. I think the rat might have been a prank by Logan. He was standing by the bus and it is more on the line of pool burning. Just make the bus smell bad. Could be. Pixi. I actually love that theory. For many reasons. (It's not the same as Erin's, BTW, she has different motives for Beaver - making the bus crash NOT an accident... but I like yours better.) HOWEVER. My one problem with it is that I'd have expected Beaver to be more remorseful this year if he had accidentally killed a bus load of his peers... especially two of which he'd gone through so much with. Oops, I got logged out so I can't edit the previous post right now but I wanted to say that I didn't read everything you wrote, I don't want to be even mildly spoiled about anything... just your initial comments about Beaver and how it could have happened.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2006 11:05:49 GMT -5
Spring - my theory is that Beaver, Marcos, Peter and probably Lucky - all part of the molested, took the bomb to the stadium to plant it there. Probably it was in the goodie bag that Peter threw in the trash. But Dick took it out of the trash to give to Bettina. So now - bomb on the bus. I don't think his plan was to kill his friends and all the kids. I do think Beaver has been molested. Also - there is a wild out there possibility that he has some other sexual things going on - that tie in with the Sally and Amber that I won't elaborate on. I think the rat might have been a prank by Logan. He was standing by the bus and it is more on the line of pool burning. Just make the bus smell bad. Could be. Pixi. I actually love that theory. For many reasons. (It's not the same as Erin's, BTW, she has different motives for Beaver - making the bus crash NOT an accident... but I like yours better.) HOWEVER. My one problem with it is that I'd have expected Beaver to be more remorseful this year if he had accidentally killed a bus load of his peers... especially two of which he'd gone through so much with. I know. That's the one thing that doesn't really work in the theory but every other theory I come up with has holes in it too. I just think Beaver has been pushed at us so much, the gay thing pushed so much and that line I have in my quotes when Veronica was talking to Carmen - this year it's all about pulling kids out of the closet - just has to mean something.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2006 11:08:17 GMT -5
Pixi. I actually love that theory. For many reasons. (It's not the same as Erin's, BTW, she has different motives for Beaver - making the bus crash NOT an accident... but I like yours better.) HOWEVER. My one problem with it is that I'd have expected Beaver to be more remorseful this year if he had accidentally killed a bus load of his peers... especially two of which he'd gone through so much with. Oops, I got logged out so I can't edit the previous post right now but I wanted to say that I didn't read everything you wrote, I don't want to be even mildly spoiled about anything... just your initial comments about Beaver and how it could have happened. Smart. The other stuff - is just all wild spec floating about because of Ausciello's asterick laden post on the finale, so don't read it. But I've been behind Beaver as the culprit for several weeks. I was thinking Kendall for awhile but she's like Woody - too obvious. And I just don't think Dick is smart enough to be behind all this. Can't be Woody, can't be Lucky, can't be the Fitzpatricks, can't be Weevil - it has to be Beaver. I just don't buy Aaron as murderer again. Nope - final red herring to my mind.
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Post by Lola m on May 5, 2006 12:26:31 GMT -5
Hee - deja vu indeed. Well - it's good someone liked the trial as it has been widely trounced everywhere I've been. I think it could have worked with one little scene - one scene of emotional intensity showing how this was affecting Logan (Jason was off his game - I get what he was trying to show but it wasn't enough). Too many reaction shots of Lamb, not enough emotional intensity whatsoever. Never let it be said I'm afraid to swim against the crowd... I'll take Logan's testimony in court. To me, Logan came across as drained and defeated. This seemed more real to me than some emotional outburst. He testified to the truth, knowing his dad would get off. He had seen it all before, repeated throughout his life. Aaron does monstrous things, none of which mars the public façade. Why would this time be any different? I just think Logan's emotions would be spent at this point. So, while an emotional catharsis might have been satisfying for those wanting to see JD demonstrate his range, I can understand why what we got instead was much more subdued and defeatist in tone. But then, I'm an engineer, not a dramatic type. **nods nods nods** I'll swim upstream with you Sharky. I liked the trial as well. Eeetah on your thoughts re: Logan's behavior (which I also liked and saw as him in a "been there, seen this before" defeated and cynical mode. But also, in addition to the other points you made about the trial, I liked it showing how time and shenanagins (the loss of evidence, bribing witnesses, etc.) can chip away at what seemed like an no-brainer guilty verdict.
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