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Post by Sharky on May 5, 2006 13:46:40 GMT -5
**nods nods nods** I'll swim upstream with you Sharky. I liked the trial as well. Eeetah on your thoughts re: Logan's behavior (which I also liked and saw as him in a "been there, seen this before" defeated and cynical mode. But also, in addition to the other points you made about the trial, I liked it showing how time and shenanagins (the loss of evidence, bribing witnesses, etc.) can chip away at what seemed like an no-brainer guilty verdict. Thanks, Lola! Much easier swimming with a friend! ;D
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Post by teacherdarling1 on May 5, 2006 13:48:42 GMT -5
I like Beaver as the bomber whether intentional or not, but I have been drawn more and more to Meg's parents as the culprits throughout this season. One the baby is his, Or 2 they could not handle the thought of their pure child having a bastard baby. They are such fanatics I would not put anything past them. But like I said I think you guys arguments for Beaver are pretty persuasive.
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Post by artemis on May 5, 2006 16:32:11 GMT -5
well, i agree with you guys, sharky and lola. i thought JD's choice was appropriate for the situation and i thought the trial was pretty well-done.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 5, 2006 17:39:20 GMT -5
I like the baby also! I mean - it was right there, in Meg's tummy - it was on the scene! Beaver - I am not understanding this theory. What woud Beav's motive be for sending his classmates over a cliff? Not that I have any better ideas, I just like Cassidy so I don't want it to be him, and he just doesn't seem evil enough. On the other hand Woody seems TOO evil (as in too obvious). Oh, heck. I don't know. How about . . . uh . . . uh . . . uh . . . hmmm. And how does the taped rat fit in? The bus was purposely made smelly, which Dick pointed out. And then . . . how about it IS Woody, which would be no surprise, but the surprise part is elsewhere, as in something that is revealed about someone else, as part of the whole revelation? SOMETHING is going on in that Casablancas family, that's for sure. "Sally," "Amber," life insurance policies, a step-mom who isn't who she say she is, a shady dad . . . I hate for the bad seed to be Cassidy though. I'd rather it be that nasty Dick, or Dick Sr. Spring - my theory is that Beaver, Marcos, Peter and probably Lucky - all part of the molested, took the bomb to the stadium to plant it there. Probably it was in the goodie bag that Peter threw in the trash. But Dick took it out of the trash to give to Bettina. So now - bomb on the bus. Oh - OK. Making sense now. I definitely agree that Beav exhibits symptoms of abuse, likely sexual abuse. So . . . you're theorizing that Beaver, Marcos, Peter & Lucky planned to possibly . . . just do Woody dirty by doing damage to his precious stadium. Peter wins that prize he doesn't want, and decides to put the bomb in that bag, and throw it in the trash can. It will explode, thereby causing Woody trouble - just his victims way of doing something to get back at him. Little do they know that Dick will give the bag to Bettina. Not bad! I guess I could buy that Peter just didn't notice that Bettina had the bag. I wondered if he was a transvestite, using the name Amber . . . but then how does "Sally" fit in? Something is definitely up with him, I just can't get clear on it. Curly Moran is still hanging out there unaccounted for . . . well . . . mostly, I can't wait for the finale!
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Post by Karen on May 5, 2006 23:06:51 GMT -5
Okay, having watched "Happy Go Lucky" last night, here are my rambling thoughts.... Unlike Pixi, I thought the trial was just about perfect. I had been concerned that we might get an extended period where Veronica Mars tried to be Neptune Law. For those who saw S1, there was no need to rehash last year's events in detail. And for those who didn't, take a moment off from emptying your drool buckets to buy the DVD's already and catch up! They've been discounted to $30; skip a couple of haircuts and go for it! (Why is Amazon pairing VM S1 with Serenity? Even with Joss' love for the show it seems an odd coupling.) Anyway, the trial covered newer stuff. Veronica's STD getting outed to Keith, Keith's breaking point and quick reflexes, Logan telling the truth despite Aaron's intimidation... The trial showed just enough to give us some great moments with our favorite characters. It also made the acquittal plausible. I didn't watch Hamlin much on LA Law, and Clash of the Titans didn't endear him to me either. But his portrayal of Echolls is excellent. (Should that be Ech-cellent? Nahhhh.) It's a whole "play within a play", with Hamlin portraying psycho-Echolls portraying Echolls-the-victim. To a lesser degree, I feel the same way about Gutenberg as Woody. He is the Wood Man (goo goo ga choob?); a character whose every expression looks carved. I believe he's been directed to play Goodman as soulless. That's what I've seen since Woody was introduced. Nothing about him has ever rung true. I hated the moment when Veronica walked out of her Western Civ test. I hated that someone (Keith?) sent her the message at the beginning of the test. I understand her stated desire to see Aaron at the moment of his conviction, but she didn't choose wisely. Yeah, we all knew something would keep her out of Stanford. But this seems to me to say her dream of going there wasn't very deep. Veronica's non-goodbye with Wallace was very good. I also thought the "good news, bad news" with Weevil was well done, as his "B" in algebra gets trumped by an impending arrest that would seem to cut out the chance of his grandmother seeing him walk across the stage to "Pomp and Circumstance". As much as I hated seeing Keith lose the election earlier this year, it was the right choice for the drama. Things work much better with Keith on the outside, badgering Lamb and trying to cajole him into doing the right thing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week. Based on the speculation I've read, I think Veronica will identify the killer. She will mobilize her fellow seniors at Neptune High to take the killer down, against an army of law enforcement officers. Finally, she'll lure the killer into Neptune High, escaping just as Keith makes a cell phone call that blows up the school, saving his daughter and eliminating the murderer.
Why do I have this feeling of deja vu? #rofl1# And the murderer is a child-loving snake of a mayor with delusions of grandeur and also souless, - so you think Woody's behind it all then. It's as good a theory as any, and better than most. I still can't shake this feeling that Aaron is connected somehow and that Veronica's first instinct that someone was trying to kill her was right.
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Post by Rob on May 6, 2006 3:13:33 GMT -5
I still can't shake this feeling that Aaron is connected somehow and that Veronica's first instinct that someone was trying to kill her was right. I have two reasons for doubting Veronica as the intended victim: 1. It could be done far more efficiently than a bomb on a school bus full of kids. 2. Since Veronica obviously lived through it, how come no subsequent attempts have been made on her life? Now, as for Aaron? Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he didn't have some role to play in the answer. Curly Moran is most directly linked to him.
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Post by Jan on May 6, 2006 12:13:40 GMT -5
I totally love it when Keith and Veronica work together!LOLOL! If you'd given Lily the performance you gave today . . .. Snarking with daddy. Gotta love his 'tude. Amber? Is a bitch? Finals are stupid! ;D Here we go! We have like 80 computers. Hee! My Space huh? Woody's a pervert! He's sick! We called it! Oh, me, too! I don't think Veronica has VD now - I bet that information was planted to discredit her. We spent 20 minutes talking about how they could have given it to her non-sexually, and you cut right to it. If the doctor would break confidentiality and part with that info, than his diagnosis could be a lie to begin with. Duh. See, that's my problem. I take things at face value too often.
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Post by leftylady on May 6, 2006 12:18:33 GMT -5
Okay, having watched "Happy Go Lucky" last night, here are my rambling thoughts.... Unlike Pixi, I thought the trial was just about perfect. I had been concerned that we might get an extended period where Veronica Mars tried to be Neptune Law. For those who saw S1, there was no need to rehash last year's events in detail. And for those who didn't, take a moment off from emptying your drool buckets to buy the DVD's already and catch up! They've been discounted to $30; skip a couple of haircuts and go for it! (Why is Amazon pairing VM S1 with Serenity? Even with Joss' love for the show it seems an odd coupling.) Anyway, the trial covered newer stuff. Veronica's STD getting outed to Keith, Keith's breaking point and quick reflexes, Logan telling the truth despite Aaron's intimidation... The trial showed just enough to give us some great moments with our favorite characters. It also made the acquittal plausible. I didn't watch Hamlin much on LA Law, and Clash of the Titans didn't endear him to me either. But his portrayal of Echolls is excellent. (Should that be Ech-cellent? Nahhhh.) It's a whole "play within a play", with Hamlin portraying psycho-Echolls portraying Echolls-the-victim. To a lesser degree, I feel the same way about Gutenberg as Woody. He is the Wood Man (goo goo ga choob?); a character whose every expression looks carved. I believe he's been directed to play Goodman as soulless. That's what I've seen since Woody was introduced. Nothing about him has ever rung true. I hated the moment when Veronica walked out of her Western Civ test. I hated that someone (Keith?) sent her the message at the beginning of the test. I understand her stated desire to see Aaron at the moment of his conviction, but she didn't choose wisely. Yeah, we all knew something would keep her out of Stanford. But this seems to me to say her dream of going there wasn't very deep. Veronica's non-goodbye with Wallace was very good. I also thought the "good news, bad news" with Weevil was well done, as his "B" in algebra gets trumped by an impending arrest that would seem to cut out the chance of his grandmother seeing him walk across the stage to "Pomp and Circumstance". As much as I hated seeing Keith lose the election earlier this year, it was the right choice for the drama. Things work much better with Keith on the outside, badgering Lamb and trying to cajole him into doing the right thing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week. Based on the speculation I've read, I think Veronica will identify the killer. She will mobilize her fellow seniors at Neptune High to take the killer down, against an army of law enforcement officers. Finally, she'll lure the killer into Neptune High, escaping just as Keith makes a cell phone call that blows up the school, saving his daughter and eliminating the murderer.
Why do I have this feeling of deja vu? And the murderer is a child-loving snake of a mayor with delusions of grandeur and also souless, - so you think Woody's behind it all then. It's as good a theory as any, and better than most. I still can't shake this feeling that Aaron is connected somehow and that Veronica's first instinct that someone was trying to kill her was right. Double LOL! You beat me to the comment. Woody has been acting like a snake already. Oh, and I'm presuming all hell will break loose during the graduation ceremony.
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Post by leftylady on May 6, 2006 12:33:56 GMT -5
I like Beaver as the bomber whether intentional or not, but I have been drawn more and more to Meg's parents as the culprits throughout this season. One the baby is his, Or 2 they could not handle the thought of their pure child having a bastard baby. They are such fanatics I would not put anything past them. But like I said I think you guys arguments for Beaver are pretty persuasive. Although I too can buy into Beaver as part of an abused victim group seeking payback on Woody and ending up taking out the bus, all the talk about the Mannings has to mean something. After the bailout of Lucky, nothing more about the Mannings this week. They have to tie in somehow and we just haven't got all the info yet. In the Beaver & company theory, Lucky would have had to have supplied the explosives or at least made the bomb for the high school boys, and Lucky also ties to the Mannings. Did we ever find out what Meg's father did for a living? Could he have access to/supplied the explosives? All I can remember about the parents is that they were "religious". Also, Bridge Video Boy - he can't just be superfluous continuity, can he? It would be too obscure for most non-online fans. There's got to be some meaning there, especially after the cryptic comment to V. Kendall - just a season's worth of red herring? I'd be very disappointed if she were. We know she does the long con, so what has she been up to? She didn't go see Aaron in jail out of the kindness of her heart. What did she expect in return to further her own schemes, whatever they may be? Why is she still messing with Logan?
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Post by leftylady on May 6, 2006 12:43:39 GMT -5
A few episodes ago, when I was too busy to comment, Matthew made the post about reasons behind the low ratings.
I have seen complaints for the last couple of weeks at the tvguide Watercooler from the VM reviewer of being preempted. Apparently the major NY, LA and sometimes Philly markets are getting preempted and VM doesn't air until the wee hours or until the weekend for the very unlucky. Not good for ratings.
Anyway, I'm holding my breathe. My hometown NBA team just moved to the next round of playoffs. The paper has the tentative schedule for 2nd game on Tuesday with TV TBA. Since it will be out of town, the TV may go to the local broadcast outlet for the team, which just happens to be the UPN station. As much as I want to watch my team in the playoffs, I want to be able to at least tape VM on Tuesday. PLease let the game air on ESPN!!!!!!!! With my luck, there will be another playoff game preempting the Sunday VM repeat too.
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Post by William the Bloody on May 6, 2006 18:24:29 GMT -5
Never let it be said I'm afraid to swim against the crowd... I'll take Logan's testimony in court. To me, Logan came across as drained and defeated. This seemed more real to me than some emotional outburst. He testified to the truth, knowing his dad would get off. He had seen it all before, repeated throughout his life. Aaron does monstrous things, none of which mars the public façade. Why would this time be any different? I just think Logan's emotions would be spent at this point. So, while an emotional catharsis might have been satisfying for those wanting to see JD demonstrate his range, I can understand why what we got instead was much more subdued and defeatist in tone. But then, I'm an engineer, not a dramatic type. **nods nods nods** I'll swim upstream with you Sharky. I liked the trial as well. Eeetah on your thoughts re: Logan's behavior (which I also liked and saw as him in a "been there, seen this before" defeated and cynical mode. But also, in addition to the other points you made about the trial, I liked it showing how time and shenanagins (the loss of evidence, bribing witnesses, etc.) can chip away at what seemed like an no-brainer guilty verdict. I'm with the Finman myself. The trial worked. While I suspected Aaron would get off (or possibly escape upon receiving a guilty verdict!) i still wasn't sure and was on pins and needles waiting. Personally, I thought this was one of the best episodes of the year and Havoc and I (we watched in RT together) spent nearly 2 hours after the episode piecing together all the facts and clues and trying to come up with jsut what the heck had happened. And we focused a lot on the STD... that came out of nowhere and it's important we felt. Veronica has only has had actual sex with two people: Dunc and Logan. One or the other gave it to her. We finally decided that it was Logan, who had gotten it from Lilly who had picked it up from Aaron. What this means, we arent sure, how it can be used as any kind of evidence who knows. But we think it's important. Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on May 6, 2006 19:20:16 GMT -5
**nods nods nods** I'll swim upstream with you Sharky. I liked the trial as well. Eeetah on your thoughts re: Logan's behavior (which I also liked and saw as him in a "been there, seen this before" defeated and cynical mode. But also, in addition to the other points you made about the trial, I liked it showing how time and shenanagins (the loss of evidence, bribing witnesses, etc.) can chip away at what seemed like an no-brainer guilty verdict. I'm with the Finman myself. The trial worked. While I suspected Aaron would get off (or possibly escape upon receiving a guilty verdict!) i still wasn't sure and was on pins and needles waiting. Personally, I thought this was one of the best episodes of the year and Havoc and I (we watched in RT together) spent nearly 2 hours after the episode piecing together all the facts and clues and trying to come up with jsut what the heck had happened. And we focused a lot on the STD... that came out of nowhere and it's important we felt. Veronica has only has had actual sex with two people: Dunc and Logan. One or the other gave it to her. We finally decided that it was Logan, who had gotten it from Lilly who had picked it up from Aaron. What this means, we arent sure, how it can be used as any kind of evidence who knows. But we think it's important. Vlad Not bad, except I don't think Veronica ever had sex with Logan. That's why she was totally focused on finding out who Duncan might have slept with.
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Post by Rob on May 7, 2006 5:05:09 GMT -5
I'm with the Finman myself. The trial worked. While I suspected Aaron would get off (or possibly escape upon receiving a guilty verdict!) i still wasn't sure and was on pins and needles waiting. Personally, I thought this was one of the best episodes of the year and Havoc and I (we watched in RT together) spent nearly 2 hours after the episode piecing together all the facts and clues and trying to come up with jsut what the heck had happened. And we focused a lot on the STD... that came out of nowhere and it's important we felt. Veronica has only has had actual sex with two people: Dunc and Logan. One or the other gave it to her. We finally decided that it was Logan, who had gotten it from Lilly who had picked it up from Aaron. What this means, we arent sure, how it can be used as any kind of evidence who knows. But we think it's important. Vlad Not bad, except I don't think Veronica ever had sex with Logan. That's why she was totally focused on finding out who Duncan might have slept with. Unless we're presented with 11th hour information re: Duncan's partners, I think the Chlamydia came through Meg. Sadly, there are a few possibilities as to how SHE contracted it... and none of them appear to have been very pleasant. Which leads me to ask once again: has there ever been DNA confirmation of Duncan's parentage of the baby? 'Cause I think I'd remember that. Suppose Meg had a strong suspicion this baby wasn't Duncan's, yet led him to believe that in an effort to save the child from the real father?
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Post by Sue on May 7, 2006 7:52:10 GMT -5
Off to church.
Had an idea in the shower and want to put it "on paper" even tho I don't have time to write my reasons.
Wild, out of left field guess: Don Lamb.
Weird, I know and probably totally wrong, but I think it may be supportable.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 7, 2006 9:21:26 GMT -5
Not bad, except I don't think Veronica ever had sex with Logan. That's why she was totally focused on finding out who Duncan might have slept with. Unless we're presented with 11th hour information re: Duncan's partners, I think the Chlamydia came through Meg. Sadly, there are a few possibilities as to how SHE contracted it... and none of them appear to have been very pleasant. Which leads me to ask once again: has there ever been DNA confirmation of Duncan's parentage of the baby? 'Cause I think I'd remember that. Suppose Meg had a strong suspicion this baby wasn't Duncan's, yet led him to believe that in an effort to save the child from the real father? I'm kind of leaning in this direction too, because it would explain why Duncan never tried to go the paternity test route, which was something a lot of people pointed out after Donut Run.
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