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Post by Lurking Snark Mum on May 14, 2006 9:22:47 GMT -5
I can't read this article. It told me to click on an ad that doesnt exist. I figure it's my Ad blocking software, so I shut that off.. no go. So, I open the URL in IE with my Norton ad blocking off.. And I get a pop up window for Netflix.. but no way to continue ot the article. On top of htat, Ad-aware (which i forgot was also running) popped up twice telling me that a malicious code was trying to violate my sweet innocent computer at Salon.com. At this point, I said "Screw this." So, here's my thing.. would someone please re-copy the Salon article and post it here or somewhere? Because I tried to comply with Salon.com and I even read their Netflix ad. Vlad Thanks, Vlad and Sue - I ran into the same problem, and I didn't even want to try monkeying with Norton, let alone AdAware. I'm going to tape the finale today (if the baseball game doesn't run over and squish it). I've been reading the reviews and commentary all this season, so I think I can appreciate it at some level.
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Post by Michelle on May 14, 2006 17:11:58 GMT -5
Well, better late than never.... I actually flashed on Normal Again (and surprised no one else had mentioned it), with Hank and Joyce together and equally concerned with Buffy's wellfare. Plus, Buffy having had a "reawakening" over the summer she was dead. A time when she was the normal girl she always wanted to be. I may have issues with Buffy as Everywoman, but I can certainly understand the desire to have both her parents together, and them being a family again. Even if it meant being classified as a nutjob. Yes! Good observation. A lot of parallels between NA and Veronica's dream. Buffy had her parents together again, but didn't have Dawn. Veronica had her parents together, but wasn't friends with Wallace. Yes, I liked Mac with Butters too! I don't know what it is about Butters, but he is both likable and annoying. You either want to punch him in the arm or punch him in the nose. Someone speculated in LJ that Mac covered herself with a shower curtain. Makes sense because she was taking a shower when Cassidy stripped the room. Anyway, I think Matthew's speculation about this scene is on target. Mac practically has whiplash from the sudden stops and starts in her relationship with Beaver, and then she gets out of the shower expecting to head back to the party with him, and the bottom drops out. He's gone, her clothes are gone, the bedding is gone and her phone is gone. In the same situation, I think I might have a similar reaction! Thanks! I'm sorry others had problems reading it. Thank you, Sue, for posting it in its entirety. I should have thought of doing that myself. Does anyone know if this is written by the same Salon writer that wrote the negative article about Spike in Season 7 of Buffy?
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Post by Michelle on May 14, 2006 17:28:29 GMT -5
Also, scrimping by financially is a "plot" thing.. it will explain why Veronica keeps taking cases. She NEEDS the money. Very similar to last year with her mom running off with the 50K. Excellent point! And Veronica wouldn't be as interesting to me if she wasn't working hard for the money. (Cue Donna Summer song here.) I don't think Veronica would ever want to be beholden to Logan or Duncan in that way. That would essentially turn her into a Kendall wanna-be, wouldn't it? Especially if Logan loaned her money for her tuition while they were dating, things would get awkward. If she has sex with him, he would always wonder in the back of his mind if it was because he made it possible for her to go to school. If they have an argument, Veronica would never feel she could break up with him because of her obligation to him. If she did run away, do you think she'd change her name to Anne?
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Post by Sue on May 14, 2006 20:00:37 GMT -5
Well, better late than never.... I actually flashed on Normal Again (and surprised no one else had mentioned it), with Hank and Joyce together and equally concerned with Buffy's wellfare. Plus, Buffy having had a "reawakening" over the summer she was dead. A time when she was the normal girl she always wanted to be. I may have issues with Buffy as Everywoman, but I can certainly understand the desire to have both her parents together, and them being a family again. Even if it meant being classified as a nutjob. Yes! Good observation. A lot of parallels between NA and Veronica's dream. Buffy had her parents together again, but didn't have Dawn. Veronica had her parents together, but wasn't friends with Wallace. Yes, I liked Mac with Butters too! I don't know what it is about Butters, but he is both likable and annoying. You either want to punch him in the arm or punch him in the nose. Someone speculated in LJ that Mac covered herself with a shower curtain. Makes sense because she was taking a shower when Cassidy stripped the room. Anyway, I think Matthew's speculation about this scene is on target. Mac practically has whiplash from the sudden stops and starts in her relationship with Beaver, and then she gets out of the shower expecting to head back to the party with him, and the bottom drops out. He's gone, her clothes are gone, the bedding is gone and her phone is gone. In the same situation, I think I might have a similar reaction! Thanks! I'm sorry others had problems reading it. Thank you, Sue, for posting it in its entirety. I should have thought of doing that myself. Does anyone know if this is written by the same Salon writer that wrote the negative article about Spike in Season 7 of Buffy? No. Stephanie Zacherak was always a huge BtVS (and Spike) fan. She even presented at one of the academic conferences. If you google "salon" with "spike" and "buffy" you get about 600 hits. I clicked on one of them and got the following on page one. The one you are thinking of is in red: by Jamie Weinmann. Notice some of the others by Zacherak. (Actually if you go to Salon.com and search for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" it says they have 135 articles archived! (Altho I believe that includes letters to the editor.) Letters Spike was an abused sex toy -- and Gunn is no Oreo! Enraged "Buffy" and "Angel" fans fight back. [2003-11-06] Methadone for "Buffy" addicts Martyred vampire Spike is back (sort of!) on the new season of "Angel," which has recaptured at least some of the Buffyverse's magic. By Laura Miller [2003-11-05] A hole in our hearts The last-ever "Buffy" episode leaves Sunnydale destroyed, the Slayer alone but not alone and the surviving Scoobies headed who-knows-where on a school bus. By Stephanie Zacharek [2003-05-21] The man behind the Slayer "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon talks about why Buffy and Angel couldn't be together, how Willow might have stayed straight, and the end of the series that redefined cult TV. By Laura Miller [2003-05-20] Bye-bye, Buffy! Let's salute "Buffy the Vampire Slayer's" greatest accomplishment: A girl who not only kicked ass, but rejected the lonely-guy way of being a superhero. By Laura Miller [2003-05-20] Letters Readers respond to Jaime J. Weinman's rant "Why Spike Ruined 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'" [2003-05-14] Why Spike ruined "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Like Fonzie before him, this too-cool thug in a leather jacket has diverted a good show from its original mission: To celebrate the uncool outcasts of the world.
By Jaime J. Weinman [2003-05-13]Modern and mythical sexuality in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Here's the full text of the paper I presented at the academic conference Blood, Text and Fears: Reading Around "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-11-09] Deconstructing "Buffy" Scholarly Buffy-philes gather at an English university to discuss the "morphic resonance" and "perlocutionary acts" of TV's favorite ghoul-killin' gal. By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-11-09] Giddyup, spaceman Buffy's creator gallops into outer space with "Firefly," taking the connection between sci-fi and westerns a little too literally. By Carina Chocano [2002-10-03] The filth and the fury Conservative watchdogs at the Parents Television Council now have scientific proof: Sabrina is better for your kids than Buffy! And "Doc," starring Billy Ray Cyrus, is the best show on TV. By Carina Chocano [2002-08-29] Willow, destroyer of worlds The most disturbing "Buffy" season ever ends with our most beloved character becoming a monster -- without losing our sympathy. By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-05-22] Blue Glow Salon's TV picks for Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001 By Joyce Millman [2001-10-23] Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Post by Pixi on May 15, 2006 7:52:09 GMT -5
Thanks Sue - I actually hadn't read that - among the bazillion articles I had read (hee). Enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts subsequent to my last post - Lola, LadyDi, Vlad and while I know several things related to some questions posed - they probably fall under spoilers. (I see you disagreed with several of my comments Lola - hee, ah well can't always be in sync).
So now we wait to see if it's renewed.
If not- it was a great ride and I loved the finale so I'm content.
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Post by Michelle on May 15, 2006 10:51:09 GMT -5
No. Stephanie Zacherak was always a huge BtVS (and Spike) fan. She even presented at one of the academic conferences. If you google "salon" with "spike" and "buffy" you get about 600 hits. I clicked on one of them and got the following on page one. The one you are thinking of is in red: by Jamie Weinmann. Notice some of the others by Zacherak. (Actually if you go to Salon.com and search for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" it says they have 135 articles archived! (Altho I believe that includes letters to the editor.) Letters Spike was an abused sex toy -- and Gunn is no Oreo! Enraged "Buffy" and "Angel" fans fight back. [2003-11-06] Methadone for "Buffy" addicts Martyred vampire Spike is back (sort of!) on the new season of "Angel," which has recaptured at least some of the Buffyverse's magic. By Laura Miller [2003-11-05] A hole in our hearts The last-ever "Buffy" episode leaves Sunnydale destroyed, the Slayer alone but not alone and the surviving Scoobies headed who-knows-where on a school bus. By Stephanie Zacharek [2003-05-21] The man behind the Slayer "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon talks about why Buffy and Angel couldn't be together, how Willow might have stayed straight, and the end of the series that redefined cult TV. By Laura Miller [2003-05-20] Bye-bye, Buffy! Let's salute "Buffy the Vampire Slayer's" greatest accomplishment: A girl who not only kicked ass, but rejected the lonely-guy way of being a superhero. By Laura Miller [2003-05-20] Letters Readers respond to Jaime J. Weinman's rant "Why Spike Ruined 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'" [2003-05-14] Why Spike ruined "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Like Fonzie before him, this too-cool thug in a leather jacket has diverted a good show from its original mission: To celebrate the uncool outcasts of the world.
By Jaime J. Weinman [2003-05-13]Modern and mythical sexuality in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Here's the full text of the paper I presented at the academic conference Blood, Text and Fears: Reading Around "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-11-09] Deconstructing "Buffy" Scholarly Buffy-philes gather at an English university to discuss the "morphic resonance" and "perlocutionary acts" of TV's favorite ghoul-killin' gal. By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-11-09] Giddyup, spaceman Buffy's creator gallops into outer space with "Firefly," taking the connection between sci-fi and westerns a little too literally. By Carina Chocano [2002-10-03] The filth and the fury Conservative watchdogs at the Parents Television Council now have scientific proof: Sabrina is better for your kids than Buffy! And "Doc," starring Billy Ray Cyrus, is the best show on TV. By Carina Chocano [2002-08-29] Willow, destroyer of worlds The most disturbing "Buffy" season ever ends with our most beloved character becoming a monster -- without losing our sympathy. By Stephanie Zacharek [2002-05-22] Blue Glow Salon's TV picks for Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001 By Joyce Millman [2001-10-23] Buffy the Vampire Slayer Ah yes, thank you for doing that search! I remembered reading that article a while back. I tried to take an objective viewpoint, but in the end, I just couldn't agree with it. There were several problems with Season 7, but I don't think Spike was one of them. Maybe I'll browse through the reader's response to the article, but I don't think I can muster the strength to re-read the article itself. Jaime J. Weinman--I spit upon her (him?). Ptew! We shall speak of her (him?) no more! And to put this back on track to VM, check out the silly post on my LJ: fotada.livejournal.com/15310.html
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Post by leftylady on May 24, 2006 18:24:29 GMT -5
Did anybody else flash to Restless? Actually, I flashed to "It's a Wonderful Life" Me too. But those that thought of "The Wish" should remember that The Wish has also been compared to A Wonderful Life. Regarding the Restless dress comparison, I recently rewatch Restless and then reran my Not Pictured tape. Not only can I say that the 2 dresses look intentionally "girly", but the cut, color and the print of both are also very, very similar. (Although this dressmaker's daughter has to vote for the Not Pictured dress as the winner in styling!)
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Post by leftylady on May 24, 2006 18:27:59 GMT -5
Forget to say that, although I've gotten very late to the party, I enjoyed everyone's comments just as I very much enjoyed the finale!!! Fantastic way to wrap up the season, and I think Rob did it just right with enough open issues to start off next year.
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Post by William the Bloody on May 27, 2006 6:43:17 GMT -5
Something I noticed and meant to post a long time ago... Duncan Kane was at the murder trial...or at least outside the court room when Aaron was released. Watch the VERY beginning of the episode with all the press and everythign swirling about... he's right in the middle of one shot, centered out, wearing a grey suit and sunglasses. Vlad
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Post by Rob on May 27, 2006 8:17:06 GMT -5
Something I noticed and meant to post a long time ago... Duncan Kane was at the murder trial...or at least outside the court room when Aaron was released. Watch the VERY beginning of the episode with all the press and everythign swirling about... he's right in the middle of one shot, centered out, wearing a grey suit and sunglasses. Vlad If this is the pic you mean, the man in the sunglasses doesn't look much like Teddy Dunn. Do you mean a different shot?
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Post by SpringSummers on May 29, 2006 17:40:13 GMT -5
S’cubies! Hey, people, look alive!! The Veronica Mars review finale is now available. Go to www.soulfulspike.com and read :[/size] NOT PICTURED: The Facts of Life – by Spring Summers You can also access it directly by clicking on the image of a still very-much-alive Carol Channing, below:I hope you like the review – if so, give me your feedback over on the VM ep 2.22 thread. First, smile and say cheese . . . . . .then click on the pic above to enter the thread. If you don’t like the review, well – however wrong it turned out, it’s done. We’re people with lives and we will not obsess; we’ll move on. I’ll get my justice in my own way. (I’m thinking free gelato.)
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Post by Squeemonster on May 29, 2006 18:31:27 GMT -5
S’cubies! Hey, people, look alive!! The Veronica Mars review finale is now available. Go to www.soulfulspike.com and read :[/size] NOT PICTURED: The Facts of Life – by Spring Summers You can also access it directly by clicking on the image of a still very-much-alive Carol Channing, below:I hope you like the review – if so, give me your feedback over on the VM ep 2.22 thread. First, smile and say cheese . . . . . .then click on the pic above to enter the thread. If you don’t like the review, well – however wrong it turned out, it’s done. We’re people with lives and we will not obsess; we’ll move on. I’ll get my justice in my own way. (I’m thinking free gelato.) [/quote] Love the review, Spring!!#clap# I especially enjoyed this part: Wonderful observation--I'm kicking myself for not catching it. Job well done!
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Post by Karen on May 29, 2006 22:11:42 GMT -5
#claps# #bid# #claps# #bid# #claps# #bid# Excellent review, Spring! I really liked your season synopsis and next season questions (woo-hoo for next season!) I'll miss Aaron, though. Hopefully, next season there will be some flashback eps with him in it. I was disappointed we didn't see more of him this year. I imagine that Logan is going to have to come to terms with his father's abuse in order to heal and grow in the future. I wonder if we'll see more of Veronica's mom,too. That 50k can't last her forever. I'm most interested to see if the Logan/Veronica relationship will develop more fully next year or if something will keep them apart from the beginning. And Weevil! We must have a lot of Weevil goodness next year. It was a terrific finale episode! I had my doubts that they could wrap up the season so satisfactorily in such a short time, but RT certainly pulled it off. Real life may not be quite as under your control as your own private and somewhat cheesy fantasy camp. Notice how many times we see people taking pictures in this episode – people trying to create and preserve their vision. (Say cheese!) You didn't happen to be channeling "Restless" here, hmmm? Many thanks to both you and Sue for your most excellent reviews this year! You guys rock!
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Post by SpringSummers on May 30, 2006 13:27:13 GMT -5
S’cubies! Hey, people, look alive!! The Veronica Mars review finale is now available. Go to www.soulfulspike.com and read :[/size] NOT PICTURED: The Facts of Life – by Spring Summers [<snip> [/quote] Love the review, Spring!! I especially enjoyed this part: Wonderful observation--I'm kicking myself for not catching it. Job well done! [/quote] Thanks, Monnie. Yes - I loved all the Logan/Lover/Adulthood vs Keith/Daddy/childhood imagery also - --Right after Veronica's dad "dies," who shows up to be at her side? Logan. Logan, for whom her feelings are not "daughterly" but "womanly." --Who is there, answering to the cry "Dad!" when she wakes up? Who is actually "bringing home the bacon?" Logan. Again, someone the "woman" not the "little girl" in Veronica turns to in time of need. --She runs straight from Logan to Dad's arms . . . but then we see the next morning, she plans to ride with Logan, not Dad, to the airport. She's a girl in transition to womanhood, something that's being partly represented by her becoming a fully sexual human being, with Logan in the figurative "husband/equal partner" rather than "parent/child" role.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 30, 2006 13:32:54 GMT -5
Excellent review, Spring! I really liked your season synopsis and next season questions (woo-hoo for next season!) I'll miss Aaron, though. Hopefully, next season there will be some flashback eps with him in it. I was disappointed we didn't see more of him this year. I imagine that Logan is going to have to come to terms with his father's abuse in order to heal and grow in the future. Yes - as much as I loved the whole scene with Aaron's shooting - while watching himself on TV! - and the Duncan connection, I will miss Aaron too. I also do hope we see his slimly self in flashbacks. I'm wondering if we'll see LOGAN's mom! I thought the reintroduction of Hart was meant to remind us of her, perhaps deliberately. And notice all the "I thought you were dead!" vibes between Veronica and Keith . . . but look, he's not really dead. I wondered if it might not be paralleled with Logan and Lynn, at some point. You got me. I was thinking of Restless, but also referring to the "Say cheese" line that Lianne delivers in the end of the kitchen scene - and the crowd saying "cheese" at the beginning of the very next scene. It's probably a far out idea, but it made me wonder if Rob T wasn't deliberately paying homage to Restless. The girly dress Veronica was wearing reminded me of the girly dress that Buffy wore in part of her dream, in Restless. You're very welcome!
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