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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 14, 2006 10:45:11 GMT -5
Spring, I love your perspective on this episode! You pointed out some things that I hadn't noticed, and put a interesting spin on the things I did. I love this: Lots of exploration into bending, if not breaking the rules. Is Logan bad for taking 10 extra seconds on his test? Veronica doesn't seem to think so, but maybe that's in light of finding out Wallace had cheated. Everything can be viewed in shades of gray. Reminds me a little bit of the Beaver storyline last year. Turns out he was evil, and did some horrible things, but we also felt sorry for him for the things he had to endure from his family and his baseball coach. Which makes me think of Piz. He's being portrayed as Mr. Small Town Nice Guy, but there is also his inappropriate attempt to ask Veronica out when he knew she had a boyfriend. I also found his response to throwing a gutter ball--"Damn it straight to hell" a little telling. Anger issues, perhaps? Everyone else was having just having a fun little game, and he was getting seriously pissed. I don't know, I can't say I'm really invested in finding out who the rapist is, but so far, Piz is my main suspect. Thanks for the nice feedback, Fotada. Yes, I think Piz is a fine suspect - certainly as good as any other. I can't say I have a "main suspect." Piz does have the possible anger issues, and the added surprise element of being in the beginning credits (which could be done to throw us off), plus his immediate "no, she's not my type" reaction to Parker . . . when, well, she kinda does seem like she IS his type, since he's attracted to Veronica. She's somewhat the same physical type, and the way she was teasing him during bowling (his only exposure to her), somewhat like Veronica in personality as well.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 14, 2006 10:47:53 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts about Piz. I didn't get a serious-angry vibe from him, but I'll have to watch that scene again. Piz wasn't here the year before though, right? I would think that would take him off the suspect list.You might be right, I'm a little fuzzy on some details. But I think the first rape occurred during a prospective freshman visitation day, which would mean that Piz could have been on campus as a prospective freshman. Another rape occurred during the summer--that's the one that Mercer was charged with. But it's not out of the question that Piz could have come to campus over the summer. The other rapes (including the faked one) occurred after school started, so he was definitely around then. Maybe someone else can correct me on this? Oooh, I just remembered that a rape occured prior to visitation day--the Pacific Islander. So it would appear that Piz wouldn't be a logical suspect. Never mind. /Emily Litella Oh - I don't know. Prospective freshmen can visit a campus anytime. I know several people who took their kids around looking at campuses during their senior year - not necessarily on official "visitation" days. The timeline does make Piz less likely, but not impossible.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 14, 2006 12:04:17 GMT -5
Spring, I love your perspective on this episode! You pointed out some things that I hadn't noticed, and put a interesting spin on the things I did. I love this: Lots of exploration into bending, if not breaking the rules. Is Logan bad for taking 10 extra seconds on his test? Veronica doesn't seem to think so, but maybe that's in light of finding out Wallace had cheated. Everything can be viewed in shades of gray. Reminds me a little bit of the Beaver storyline last year. Turns out he was evil, and did some horrible things, but we also felt sorry for him for the things he had to endure from his family and his baseball coach. Which makes me think of Piz. He's being portrayed as Mr. Small Town Nice Guy, but there is also his inappropriate attempt to ask Veronica out when he knew she had a boyfriend. I also found his response to throwing a gutter ball--"Damn it straight to hell" a little telling. Anger issues, perhaps? Everyone else was having just having a fun little game, and he was getting seriously pissed. I don't know, I can't say I'm really invested in finding out who the rapist is, but so far, Piz is my main suspect. Thanks for the nice feedback, Fotada. Yes, I think Piz is a fine suspect - certainly as good as any other. I can't say I have a "main suspect." Piz does have the possible anger issues, and the added surprise element of being in the beginning credits (which could be done to throw us off), plus his immediate "no, she's not my type" reaction to Parker . . . when, well, she kinda does seem like she IS his type, since he's attracted to Veronica. She's somewhat the same physical type, and the way she was teasing him during bowling (his only exposure to her), somewhat like Veronica in personality as well. Of course, the rape victims were all different types... And he lives so far away (assuming that he actually is from Oregon) that it doesn't seem likely he'd have made that many trips down to SoCal before starting college. That's a lot of effort. Not that I'm saying he's not, it just seems really unlikely. I have no idea who the rapist might be at this point. I need to know what the connection is between all the victims.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 14, 2006 12:47:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice feedback, Fotada. Yes, I think Piz is a fine suspect - certainly as good as any other. I can't say I have a "main suspect." Piz does have the possible anger issues, and the added surprise element of being in the beginning credits (which could be done to throw us off), plus his immediate "no, she's not my type" reaction to Parker . . . when, well, she kinda does seem like she IS his type, since he's attracted to Veronica. She's somewhat the same physical type, and the way she was teasing him during bowling (his only exposure to her), somewhat like Veronica in personality as well. Of course, the rape victims were all different types... And he lives so far away (assuming that he actually is from Oregon) that it doesn't seem likely he'd have made that many trips down to SoCal before starting college. That's a lot of effort. Not that I'm saying he's not, it just seems really unlikely. I have no idea at this point. I need to know what the connection is between all the victims. That's an interesting point about the rape victims being all different types - there's the Hawaiian girl (Asian type), the black girl (African type) and Parker (European type) . . . quite the equal-opportunity rapist, passing out an opportunity no one wants. I wonder if that is coincidence or a clue of some kind? Is that "the connection" between them . . . for some sicko internal reason, the rapist is purposely targetting "different types?" PIZ: Who knows. I wouldn't discount him, but yes - I gotta agree that the timing makes him seem much less likely. To me, Oregon is "not far." I know it's a long drive to Southern California, of course, but some of the parents who come around here drive their kids all over the Eastern U.S. visiting places. If it is going to be Piz though, we'll almost have to have some overt reference to him making several visits to campus while trying to choose a college. If that happens, it'll be an "ah-hah!They're setting it up to be Piz!" kinda moment. If not, then - Piz is simply the new "regular kid/Duncan replacement" that he seems to be. For this season, anyhow.
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Post by Michelle on Nov 14, 2006 13:20:10 GMT -5
Of course, the rape victims were all different types... And he lives so far away (assuming that he actually is from Oregon) that it doesn't seem likely he'd have made that many trips down to SoCal before starting college. That's a lot of effort. Not that I'm saying he's not, it just seems really unlikely. I have no idea at this point. I need to know what the connection is between all the victims. That's an interesting point about the rape victims being all different types - there's the Hawaiian girl (Asian type), the black girl (African type) and Parker (European type) . . . quite the equal-opportunity rapist, passing out an opportunity no one wants. I wonder if that is coincidence or a clue of some kind? Is that "the connection" between them . . . for some sicko internal reason, the rapist is purposely targetting "different types?" PIZ: Who knows. I wouldn't discount him, but yes - I gotta agree that the timing makes him seem much less likely. To me, Oregon is "not far." I know it's a long drive to Southern California, of course, but some of the parents who come around here drive their kids all over the Eastern U.S. visiting places. If it is going to be Piz though, we'll almost have to have some overt reference to him making several visits to campus while trying to choose a college. If that happens, it'll be an "ah-hah!They're setting it up to be Piz!" kinda moment. If not, then - Piz is simply the new "regular kid/Duncan replacement" that he seems to be. For this season, anyhow. This probably means nothing, but I remember that Piz mentioned that he is in a band--The Black Licorice. So, like Oz at UC Sunnydale, he could have had some gigs at Hearst. Piz is still a viable suspect, then.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 14, 2006 13:24:49 GMT -5
That's an interesting point about the rape victims being all different types - there's the Hawaiian girl (Asian type), the black girl (African type) and Parker (European type) . . . quite the equal-opportunity rapist, passing out an opportunity no one wants. I wonder if that is coincidence or a clue of some kind? Is that "the connection" between them . . . for some sicko internal reason, the rapist is purposely targetting "different types?" PIZ: Who knows. I wouldn't discount him, but yes - I gotta agree that the timing makes him seem much less likely. To me, Oregon is "not far." I know it's a long drive to Southern California, of course, but some of the parents who come around here drive their kids all over the Eastern U.S. visiting places. If it is going to be Piz though, we'll almost have to have some overt reference to him making several visits to campus while trying to choose a college. If that happens, it'll be an "ah-hah!They're setting it up to be Piz!" kinda moment. If not, then - Piz is simply the new "regular kid/Duncan replacement" that he seems to be. For this season, anyhow. This probably means nothing, but I remember that Piz mentioned that he is in a band--The Black Licorice. So, like Oz at UC Sunnydale, he could have had some gigs at Hearst. Piz is still a viable suspect, then. Huh. That's a good point.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 15, 2006 17:52:26 GMT -5
Excellent insights again, Spring!
I love how you help me find the overarching themes each week.
The examples from this episode that you pointed out of rvialry and cheating, especially combined with the idea that things and people might not be what they appear at first fits soooooo well with the ep that follows. And with the season's arc and mystery, I would bet.
Cheating to do well in school, cheating in a relationship, or maybe even cheating on a bet . . . . I can see any of these being a factor in the rape mystery. Or perhaps, more significantly, the assumption that cheating has happened - whether true or false.
When you said:
it really made me think back to Veronica talking about the blame being placed on the fraternity. What do we really want? To get someone, or to get the correct someone? Do we want the truth?
This all feels like it's starting to gel for me, and yet I can't put my finger on a guilty party. But somehow I know that when we know the truth about the rapes, all the clues, hints and themes we've gotten will fit.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 15, 2006 17:56:05 GMT -5
2 thoughts occurred to me as I went to sleep last night: I like that we're seeing Wallace and Keith come off their pedastals a bit. They're becoming more than the best BFF or best father anyone could have and showing that they can be tempted to do the wrong in under certain circumstances. There's a lot about cheating so far in this mini-arc. Lots in this episode, but also in Welcome Wagon, Veronica used the internet during that in-class exercise and there was all that discussion about whether that was breaking the rules or not, and in Wichita Linebacker there was that deal with the play book. Since underlying themes usually tie into the big mystery, I'm expecting it to come into play, except I can't imagine how cheating/breaking the rules could be a serial rapist's motivation. It's the dean? "Don't tell my wife." But say he knows she's cheating on him and wants revenge on her (and women in general). We know he eats behind her back; watches violent sports behind her back; and doesn't like college kids. So why not cheat (violently) on her behind her back too? We know he's willing to break the law and be violent to get what he wants. Besides, I don't feel like we know anybody else well enough to make them (TA, Mercer, various profs) being the bad guy really relevant. ETA: Since I missed solving both seasons one and two by a mile I'd take this as pretty much a total shot in the dark. (Maybe it's Harmony's husband.) Hey, it's a theory that could work. Well, except for Harmony's husband. Somehow I don't see that being the solution. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Nov 15, 2006 18:03:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice feedback, Fotada. Yes, I think Piz is a fine suspect - certainly as good as any other. I can't say I have a "main suspect." Piz does have the possible anger issues, and the added surprise element of being in the beginning credits (which could be done to throw us off), plus his immediate "no, she's not my type" reaction to Parker . . . when, well, she kinda does seem like she IS his type, since he's attracted to Veronica. She's somewhat the same physical type, and the way she was teasing him during bowling (his only exposure to her), somewhat like Veronica in personality as well. Of course, the rape victims were all different types... And he lives so far away (assuming that he actually is from Oregon) that it doesn't seem likely he'd have made that many trips down to SoCal before starting college. That's a lot of effort. Not that I'm saying he's not, it just seems really unlikely. I have no idea who the rapist might be at this point. I need to know what the connection is between all the victims. That really would be the key to solving - what do the victims have in common?
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