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Post by Lola m on Feb 13, 2007 23:02:39 GMT -5
yeah - weird, weird pacing in this episode. Very very unusual to have an ongoing mystery and to also have the "case of the week" not get wrapped up in that week's ep.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 13, 2007 23:04:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry but pouring your heart out to someone on their voicemail is not all that you can do to say your sorry. That's just insane. He is so much more pathetic laying around being a hermit and pouting than he would be if he was chasing V around and begging for her forgiveness. IMHO. Too true. Although, he's been down this road before, and maybe he's just resigned to believing that he's a loser and not deserving of Veronica. Looked like he might have gotten his mojo back there at the end, tho. Yeah. The snarky grin and the apple for teacher.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 13, 2007 23:06:34 GMT -5
Strange ep. I'm not sure how I felt about it. The ending was rather abrupt and how come we now have two murder mysteries to solve? How long is the coach's murder going to play out? And, again, with the Weevil not seeing straight when it comes to V asking a favor and offering money. It's making me think that the two murders are going to end up being connected in some way. And yeah, we're getting a running theme with Weevil. I hope this doesn't mean we'll see him arrested again.
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Post by jeff on Feb 13, 2007 23:28:33 GMT -5
I really liked the episode. The Girl was cute. One of Dicks best episodes. He was hilarious, in his own Dickness. Putting logan on the balcony so the hotel could clean the room. Getting married. TOES! that was hilarious.
Is that my shirt?
Logan getting therapy from an 11 year old and a Mariokart game.
Stay away from the Porn.
Got to see a little of Cliff, sherriff Lamb, and Wallace. Not enough of them mind you but a little can get you through a week.
V baking cookies! LOL
and I thought they moved the plot along on the Dean pretty well tonight.
I dont know why but Logan coming out of his shell was fun to watch, The part I didnt like was when he was standing next to Veronica. I like the snarky, just being himself Logan. To me I think he can not be himself when he is with Veronica. I know I am in the Minority but iI liked Logan the first half of season 1 when he was really on his game. Throwing out the 1 liners left and right. With V he is so toned down. I think this is why their relationship does not feel right to me.
anyway great episode. Looking foward to next weeks.
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Post by Sue on Feb 14, 2007 10:46:59 GMT -5
General observations:
I liked it. (I can always tell by whether it holds my attention vs. reading the paper or glancing at the clock.)
I liked it better than the morning after pill/miscarriage storyline.
I liked that Weevil was semi-reluctant to be seen with PCHers, even tho his attitude made no sense whatsoever in light of his willingness just last week to steal and crush Madison's car.
The men's voices arguing....that was the Dean and Hank, right? We saw O'Dell confront the two of them in the hotel room, carrying his gun, correct?
Was there some significant reason the camera panned up to the guy on the upper bunk as b-ball guy ate Veronica's cookies? (not thinking of Buffy, not thinking of Buffy's cookie dough)
I really liked that the coach's murder wasn't solved. Probably the single thing I most detest in any television show is when they back themselves into any kind of storytelling formula or format and never deviate.
Reading thru the comments I see that all of you expected the young girl to help Logan shape up. Oddly, I did not. I thought it was an unusual method of pulling him out of his funk, but clearly the rest of you were not surprised. It's soooo good for Logan to be aware that he is not the only person in the world with problems/issues/pain. But he certainly does woobie-face most excellently.
I'm okay with him taking time to heal and he and Veronica being apart. Given good writing and characters I'd probably be okay if they wound up with other people (or back with each other) in the future. But in a perfect world this would take time (lots of it). Unfortunately in the world of network TV time is not always available.
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Post by KMInfinity on Feb 14, 2007 12:15:29 GMT -5
It's making me think that the two murders are going to end up being connected in some way. ITA. Maybe the issue will have to do with some college business, and the same person murdered both? Makes me worry that we won't have a backstory well developed enough to support the climax...but trusting RT. Or, maybe instead of the Dean's murder being related to college business it's personal (wifey?) and s/he was seen by the BB coach, hence his murder? Do we know anything of the BB coach previously, other than his earlier scenes with Wallace? Veronica smuggling in the cookies was stupid...I'm sure she didn't also include a file, but it'll be hard to prove with her prints on a hollowed out book. The alibi for the prof was very weak. It's entirely plausible that wifey fell asleep, Hank rented the movie, left it play while he did the murder, and watched it some other time. I really enjoyed the "cute kid" w/Logan angle, despite groaning for a minute when I realized were it was headed. It played very well imo, despite it's potential for terminal cuteness. I'm kinda worried that Veronica has become such a hard-ass she'll be too unlikeable to root for.
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Post by Sue on Feb 14, 2007 13:50:28 GMT -5
It's making me think that the two murders are going to end up being connected in some way. ITA. Maybe the issue will have to do with some college business, and the same person murdered both? Makes me worry that we won't have a backstory well developed enough to support the climax...but trusting RT. Or, maybe instead of the Dean's murder being related to college business it's personal (wifey?) and s/he was seen by the BB coach, hence his murder? Do we know anything of the BB coach previously, other than his earlier scenes with Wallace? Veronica smuggling in the cookies was stupid...I'm sure she didn't also include a file, but it'll be hard to prove with her prints on a hollowed out book. The alibi for the prof was very weak. It's entirely plausible that wifey fell asleep, Hank rented the movie, left it play while he did the murder, and watched it some other time. I really enjoyed the "cute kid" w/Logan angle, despite groaning for a minute when I realized were it was headed. It played very well imo, despite it's potential for terminal cuteness. I'm kinda worried that Veronica has become such a hard-ass she'll be too unlikeable to root for. They really are polar opposites with the way they handle emotional pain, aren't they? Veronica puts up the hard shell, throws herself into all other ares of her life (we mostly see the work part), denies and ignores. Even snaps at Wallace for even (as a friend should do) asking how she's doing re Logan. She's " not thinking about him." Logan, on the other hand, does nothing but think about Veronica. Think, think, think, moan, moan, moan, wallow, wallow, wallow. Shuts out and withdraws from everything (except, apparantly, room service food). And take all the blame on himself.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 14, 2007 14:20:01 GMT -5
I've already read lots and lots of commentary about this and it's kind of hard for me to go back to my original mindset but honestly, it was just a great episode. I mean look what the writer did. She took our problems and gave us solutions.
Tired of mopey, emo Logan? Look he's back all cocky and smirky and he brought an apple. (bwah!)
Want Logan to interact with someone other than Veronica? Hire an amazing guest star who has fabulous chemistry with him (though only 11), give her fabulous lines that she delivers perfectly and throw in a Nick Lachey song. (which bwah again!)
Want to focus on the Dean's murder? Get both Keith and Veronica invested with a great letter (sniff), good performances by Landry and Mindy and ramp up the interest.
Sick and tired of never seeing people like Wallace and Weevil? Give them screen time and some snark-filled lines. (1/2 a grade here because I would have loved more Wallace but I'll take what I can). Weevil was goooooooood baby. Loved him last night.
Sick of random hookers? Throw in some more character continuity. Hey it's Arturo (sorry - bwah again!)and he's the head PCHer now. So seriously great. And Ratner and the desk clerk girl and no, it can't be. It is. Cliff my man you're here, you're here. Stop going away. I miss you.
Don't want to see any who stole the playbook mysteries? Throw in a murder. It was a freaking murder people. And it was a cliffhanger. There's two murders now. Love, love, love it.
So bravo to the writers who got it right. Kudos to the actors who were pretty damn great. (Special note however: KB did not deliver a winning performance. She was too emotional and over the top with Keith and sadly lacking any kind of emotion whatsoever when she interacted with Logan in the elevator. Sorry Miss Bell - no acting apple for you).
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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2007 17:28:33 GMT -5
I really liked the episode. The Girl was cute. One of Dicks best episodes. He was hilarious, in his own Dickness. Putting logan on the balcony so the hotel could clean the room. Getting married. TOES! that was hilarious. The toes bit was sooooo classic Dick. I forgot about that line. ;D And then she gave such a good "ewww" face. I can't help but feel that there is some kind of connection between the shooting deaths of two faculty members. Even if it is just a connection of theme and not killer. We did indeed get quite a lot of info about the Dean's mystery. Enough that I am getting a bit concerned about Keith's safety. I have a great fondness for snarky Logan myself. Me too.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2007 17:32:48 GMT -5
General observations: I liked it. (I can always tell by whether it holds my attention vs. reading the paper or glancing at the clock.) I liked it better than the morning after pill/miscarriage storyline. I liked that Weevil was semi-reluctant to be seen with PCHers, even tho his attitude made no sense whatsoever in light of his willingness just last week to steal and crush Madison's car. The men's voices arguing....that was the Dean and Hank, right? We saw O'Dell confront the two of them in the hotel room, carrying his gun, correct? That is what I am assuming. And it is therefore very suspicious that Mrs. O'Dell is not telling Keith about the visit her husband made to the room. Ooooh, I thought that looked possibly significant too. Not just a "my cell mate has his eye on my cookies" moment, I think. I was expecting it but I still liked it. Primarily because of the interaction between them and the actress herself. Not too cutesy, but just sufficiently kid-like. Not acting too old or sophisticated for her age. Ah, yes. If TV were like real life in that respect . . . well, we probably wouldn't watch it, would we?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2007 17:35:57 GMT -5
It's making me think that the two murders are going to end up being connected in some way. ITA. Maybe the issue will have to do with some college business, and the same person murdered both? Makes me worry that we won't have a backstory well developed enough to support the climax...but trusting RT. Or, maybe instead of the Dean's murder being related to college business it's personal (wifey?) and s/he was seen by the BB coach, hence his murder? Do we know anything of the BB coach previously, other than his earlier scenes with Wallace? **nods** I think they at least are meant for us to examine and compare. One meant to give us ideas about the other, and so on. Smuggling in something was supremely dumb on her part! So much so that I am wondering what else is behind it all. The movie alibi is basically no alibi at all, as far as I am concerned. For either Hank or Mrs. O'Dell! And yet, the more it looks like it was one of them, the more I lean toward thinking it was someone else. ;D I ended up liking it very much, particularly because the potential for excessive cuteness was avoided rather nicely.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2007 17:37:23 GMT -5
ITA. Maybe the issue will have to do with some college business, and the same person murdered both? Makes me worry that we won't have a backstory well developed enough to support the climax...but trusting RT. Or, maybe instead of the Dean's murder being related to college business it's personal (wifey?) and s/he was seen by the BB coach, hence his murder? Do we know anything of the BB coach previously, other than his earlier scenes with Wallace? Veronica smuggling in the cookies was stupid...I'm sure she didn't also include a file, but it'll be hard to prove with her prints on a hollowed out book. The alibi for the prof was very weak. It's entirely plausible that wifey fell asleep, Hank rented the movie, left it play while he did the murder, and watched it some other time. I really enjoyed the "cute kid" w/Logan angle, despite groaning for a minute when I realized were it was headed. It played very well imo, despite it's potential for terminal cuteness. I'm kinda worried that Veronica has become such a hard-ass she'll be too unlikeable to root for. They really are polar opposites with the way they handle emotional pain, aren't they? Veronica puts up the hard shell, throws herself into all other ares of her life (we mostly see the work part), denies and ignores. Even snaps at Wallace for even (as a friend should do) asking how she's doing re Logan. She's " not thinking about him." Logan, on the other hand, does nothing but think about Veronica. Think, think, think, moan, moan, moan, wallow, wallow, wallow. Shuts out and withdraws from everything (except, apparantly, room service food). And take all the blame on himself. **nods vigorously** And each of their reactions fits what we know of their character. Even when we want to smack both of them. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2007 17:41:54 GMT -5
I've already read lots and lots of commentary about this and it's kind of hard for me to go back to my original mindset but honestly, it was just a great episode. I mean look what the writer did. She took our problems and gave us solutions. Tired of mopey, emo Logan? Look he's back all cocky and smirky and he brought an apple. (bwah!) Want Logan to interact with someone other than Veronica? Hire an amazing guest star who has fabulous chemistry with him (though only 11), give her fabulous lines that she delivers perfectly and throw in a Nick Lachey song. (which bwah again!) Excellent actress, wasn't she? And how can you not love the opportunity for Keith to be genuinely noble? You can fire me, but you can't take me off the case! Yay, Keith! Weevil was very good. And I'll throw in an eetah to Sue's appreciation for him at least reminding Veronica about his issues with parole. Oh, Cliff. I love that man so. ;D Very intrigued by this second murder.
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Post by Rob on Feb 14, 2007 19:51:28 GMT -5
To a degree, I liked this episode. Dick was not the highest-quality person to get Logan back on his feet, but it turns out he unwittingly managed it. Of course, just about everything Dick does isn't terribly...witting. :-) The girl who played Heather did a really nice job. She and Logan had adorable chemistry.
Dean mystery deepens...although precious little. We always knew the Mrs. O'Dell was lying, since the Dean was shown visiting the Neptune Grand that night. Therefore, not much new ground broken, really. Though we learn to like the Dean a little more...and the sleazy and dangerous bookie/Hearst booster might have been leaning on the Dean to fire the basketball coach to settle the gambling debt. It would make for a nice red herring, at least. Too obvious to make the cigar-chomping gangster-type the killer.
Wait a minute...a storyline of the basketball coach being murdered! If ever there were a perfect reason to usher in some quality bonding time between Veronica and her own grown-up version of Heather, this would be it. She needs to heal, too. They can talk through things while investigating the murder! Nice job, writers!
Oops. Looks like I spoke too soon. Rather than do all that neat stuff I described above, Wallace instead gets a two-scene cameo.
What a load of B.S. I feel annoyed, betrayed and disgusted. And a few more adjectives, once they come to me.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 15, 2007 9:06:09 GMT -5
Rob - I don't blame you for being frustrated. This was a perfect episode to have Wallace featured and they really should have used him more than they did.
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