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Post by Lola m on Sept 23, 2005 22:47:31 GMT -5
Dude! And you know, it's interesting how Tigh was smart enough to act like he believed that it was a "joke" (so they could both understand each other but continue to put a good "face" on it) and that he was smart enough to know that it wasn't a joke.
Reminds me that Tigh does have value and intelligence or he wouldn't be where he is. He blurs that too often with his weaknesses and his drinking, but there is something under all that. Yes, Adama values Tigh - and his loyalty. I must say goodnight, too. It's been lovely chatting with you guys. And, Lola, I read your awesome 'Lost' review and will comment on that thread tomorrow when I have more than one braincell. Lots of good and layered thoughts there.  Thanks, Karen! I'll take the compliment even though I am actually feeling like it is pretty slapdash.  |
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Post by Karen on Sept 23, 2005 22:53:53 GMT -5
Were they turning into the very creatures that they were bent on destroying? I thought it very strange how they didn't seem all that happy to find more humans alive. I'll have to rewatch for signs that they were - I'm sure there were a few that were happy they weren't so alone. Oh what a wonderful way of putting it!! Turning into the creatures they are hunting! Man, that sort of makes me think of the Reavers . . . **shivers** They didn't look happy, did they? They were all . . . glum and stern and so on when they first landed. And all they talked about was the stuff that Galactica had, like booze or female cylons to "have fun with". Plus, they were only sharing their stuff with the other military guys and not with the rest of the fleet. Not a good sign. Oooooh! And Admiral Kane was all "welcome back to the fleet", like they were the ones that Galactica and the others were the outsiders they were letting in. Not the way it really is, that Galactica and the civilian ships are the Fleet now and they should be saying "welcome back" to the Pegasus folks! That's very telling. It made me think of the Reavers, too, as soon as I posted that. *shiver 3* And yes! The Pegasus is the outsider here - to heck with rank. The President outranks them all, and no way would she ever agree to that bitca Admiral taking control of the whole fleet. Those cocky military guys really pissed me off. Were there any other women in their crew except for the Admiral? I would fear for the civilian and military women in Galactica's fleet if I were the President. |
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Post by Karen on Sept 23, 2005 22:55:34 GMT -5
Yes, Adama values Tigh - and his loyalty. I must say goodnight, too. It's been lovely chatting with you guys. And, Lola, I read your awesome 'Lost' review and will comment on that thread tomorrow when I have more than one braincell. Lots of good and layered thoughts there. Thanks, Karen! I'll take the comment even though I am actually feeling like it is pretty slapdash. Stop that! It was very good and made me think and laugh out loud. The laughing part being the most important, 'cause the thinking - that can get me in trouble.  Really going now!! #bighug# |
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Post by Matthew on Sept 24, 2005 0:01:22 GMT -5
Of course, I could be wrong, since she asked the doctor to examine her Cylon prisoner and gave in to his requests.  *Snort*.   Only because he phrased it as if he just wanted to play mind games with the cylon, now that they've beaten and raped all they are going to get out of her that way. |
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Post by Matthew on Sept 24, 2005 8:56:12 GMT -5
Went to Wisteria's Livejournal entry on this episode, looking for the screencap review that she may not do. She's rather somber in this entry, and makes a lot of insightful comments. She also references something called a "podcast" which, when I researched it, turned out to be DVD-type commentary downloadable from SciFi.com for each episode. Here's the address for the downloads: If your system is set up to play them directly, you can right-click and hit "Save target as" to download the files when you click on the links. Fascinating stuff. |
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Post by Sara on Sept 24, 2005 18:50:34 GMT -5
3 cheers for Adama! I think the Pegasus is very much in denial about the real situation they are all in. This is the last of humanity that is left! Each one of them needs to start looking at being more adaptive and less rigid. Also, they need to think less about hunting down cylons (especially when they lose lots of people that way - people they can't afford to lose). Pegasus is gonna have a big shock when they start having to deal with the civilian population as well! They've been their own little world for too long. Makes me wonder how much of this is how they were already and how much is caused by cracking under the strain of thinking they were all alone. Were they turning into the very creatures that they were bent on destroying? I thought it very strange how they didn't seem all that happy to find more humans alive. I'll have to rewatch for signs that they were - I'm sure there were a few that were happy they weren't so alone. I had a thought when I was out on the mower today along these lines, as I tried to decide how much Kane knew about her interrogator's methods or what her crewmen did to Six afterwards. I think we'd all agree that rape isn't usually about the sexual aspect of the act--it's about exerting power over another human being. From what I could tell, there seemed to be very few women among the crew of the Pegasus--we saw a female pilot early on, but after that it was all men. So on that ship you've got a situation where a whole bunch of guys are all under the command of a near-dictatorial woman. Making me wonder if Six was, for at least some of those guys, either a surrogate for a woman they are essentially powerless against or a "safe" way for them to express their rage toward Kane. Not that I'm trying to excuse them or place the blame for their actions directly at her feet--more like I'm trying to figure out why the Pegasus crewmen had so little regard for women in general, as demonstrated when they joked about raping Six in front of female crewmembers. |
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Post by Karen on Sept 25, 2005 8:23:20 GMT -5
Were they turning into the very creatures that they were bent on destroying? I thought it very strange how they didn't seem all that happy to find more humans alive. I'll have to rewatch for signs that they were - I'm sure there were a few that were happy they weren't so alone. I had a thought when I was out on the mower today along these lines, as I tried to decide how much Kane knew about her interrogator's methods or what her crewmen did to Six afterwards. I think we'd all agree that rape isn't usually about the sexual aspect of the act--it's about exerting power over another human being. From what I could tell, there seemed to be very few women among the crew of the Pegasus--we saw a female pilot early on, but after that it was all men. So on that ship you've got a situation where a whole bunch of guys are all under the command of a near-dictatorial woman. Making me wonder if Six was, for at least some of those guys, either a surrogate for a woman they are essentially powerless against or a "safe" way for them to express their rage toward Kane. Not that I'm trying to excuse them or place the blame for their actions directly at her feet--more like I'm trying to figure out why the Pegasus crewmen had so little regard for women in general, as demonstrated when they joked about raping Six in front of female crewmembers. Yes, it was quite disturbing - their attitude. Unfortunately, we've seen this in rl, too. I think it is a case of them becoming dehumanized by the very act of raping the cylon who looks like a woman. It has to get into their psyche and change them. Makes them forget who and what they really are. Blurs the lines. I rewatched the episode last night, and noticed the conversation between Tyrol and the chief from the Pegasus. Laird, I believe. Laird used to be an aeronautics engineer, but was 'constricted' into service when the Pegasus - I can't remember the word he used - 'took over' was the impression I got - his ship. He said 'things changed'. Sounds like Kane used the same kind of tactics with his ship as she is trying to use with the Galactica. Take out the best and most independent fighters/people (Kara and Apollo, Tyrol and Helo - and Adama) and then take over the ship and 'assimilate' the crew even more. Nasty piece of work, she. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 25, 2005 14:56:13 GMT -5
**nods nods nods** Question them, even a clean kill, yes. They are at war and each side is trying to kill the other. But that was . . .  A definite violation of the Geneva convention, that's for sure. Apparently, that does not apply in the future. ;D BSG is not set in the future. In that 'verse Earth is a colony of Kobol, not the other way around. |
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Post by Onjel on Sept 25, 2005 20:32:45 GMT -5
A definite violation of the Geneva convention, that's for sure. Apparently, that does not apply in the future. ;D BSG is not set in the future. In that 'verse Earth is a colony of Kobol, not the other way around. That's what I get for coming to the party late. Thanks, Becca! |
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 21:58:06 GMT -5
I had a thought when I was out on the mower today along these lines, as I tried to decide how much Kane knew about her interrogator's methods or what her crewmen did to Six afterwards. I think we'd all agree that rape isn't usually about the sexual aspect of the act--it's about exerting power over another human being. From what I could tell, there seemed to be very few women among the crew of the Pegasus--we saw a female pilot early on, but after that it was all men. So on that ship you've got a situation where a whole bunch of guys are all under the command of a near-dictatorial woman. Making me wonder if Six was, for at least some of those guys, either a surrogate for a woman they are essentially powerless against or a "safe" way for them to express their rage toward Kane. Not that I'm trying to excuse them or place the blame for their actions directly at her feet--more like I'm trying to figure out why the Pegasus crewmen had so little regard for women in general, as demonstrated when they joked about raping Six in front of female crewmembers. Yes, it was quite disturbing - their attitude. Unfortunately, we've seen this in rl, too. I think it is a case of them becoming dehumanized by the very act of raping the cylon who looks like a woman. It has to get into their psyche and change them. Makes them forget who and what they really are. Blurs the lines. I rewatched the episode last night, and noticed the conversation between Tyrol and the chief from the Pegasus. Laird, I believe. Laird used to be an aeronautics engineer, but was 'constricted' into service when the Pegasus - I can't remember the word he used - 'took over' was the impression I got - his ship. He said 'things changed'. Sounds like Kane used the same kind of tactics with his ship as she is trying to use with the Galactica. Take out the best and most independent fighters/people (Kara and Apollo, Tyrol and Helo - and Adama) and then take over the ship and 'assimilate' the crew even more. Nasty piece of work, she. Aye!!! **nods** Fanatical piece of work, is my fear. |
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Post by Lola m on Sept 25, 2005 21:59:24 GMT -5
A definite violation of the Geneva convention, that's for sure. Apparently, that does not apply in the future. ;D BSG is not set in the future. In that 'verse Earth is a colony of Kobol, not the other way around. Yes! It's like, same timeline as us, right? (I am not remembering the last season or so of the old series very well.) Like, if they find Earth, they'd find . . . us . . . right? |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 26, 2005 6:35:45 GMT -5
3 cheers for Adama! I think the Pegasus is very much in denial about the real situation they are all in. This is the last of humanity that is left! Each one of them needs to start looking at being more adaptive and less rigid. Also, they need to think less about hunting down cylons (especially when they lose lots of people that way - people they can't afford to lose). Pegasus is gonna have a big shock when they start having to deal with the civilian population as well! They've been their own little world for too long. Makes me wonder how much of this is how they were already and how much is caused by cracking under the strain of thinking they were all alone. Were they turning into the very creatures that they were bent on destroying? I thought it very strange how they didn't seem all that happy to find more humans alive. I'll have to rewatch for signs that they were - I'm sure there were a few that were happy they weren't so alone. Why should they be happy? They've been fighting the war this whole time, the others have spent the whole time running away. Without the President's presence I reckon she'd have the Galactica up for desertion in the face of the enemy. Thinking they were the last humans in the galaxy, the Galactica and flock set out to find a safe haven and start making more humans. Thinking they were the last humans in the galaxy, the Pegasus set out to take as many of the other guys with them as they could when they finally died. she said that attacking the Cylons was about 'the best defence' being a good offence, but if there is nothing to defend? The other week they had that person saying they were all taught, when going into battle, to think of themselves as dead. Galactica have the hope of Earth to keep them thinking alive. Pegasus? |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 26, 2005 6:38:09 GMT -5
Were they turning into the very creatures that they were bent on destroying? I thought it very strange how they didn't seem all that happy to find more humans alive. I'll have to rewatch for signs that they were - I'm sure there were a few that were happy they weren't so alone. Oh what a wonderful way of putting it!! Turning into the creatures they are hunting! Man, that sort of makes me think of the Reavers . . . **shivers** They didn't look happy, did they? They were all . . . glum and stern and so on when they first landed. And all they talked about was the stuff that Galactica had, like booze or female cylons to "have fun with". Plus, they were only sharing their stuff with the other military guys and not with the rest of the fleet. Not a good sign. Oooooh! And Admiral Kane was all "welcome back to the fleet", like they were the ones that Galactica and the others were the outsiders they were letting in. Not the way it really is, that Galactica and the civilian ships are the Fleet now and they should be saying "welcome back" to the Pegasus folks! That's very telling. why 'really'? She outranks them. She therefore has been in charge of the fleet since things all went wrong. The Galactica just didn't know it. but, really, there is a President and all the other machinery of government, civilization. Pegasus can welcome Galactica back to the Fleet, G can welcome P back to civilization. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 26, 2005 6:41:35 GMT -5
The President outranks them all, and no way would she ever agree to that bitca Admiral taking control of the whole fleet. Does the President outrank them in the BSG 'verse? They just had a big fight over the President interfering with the military if she is the boss, then would that have happened? |
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Post by Karen on Sept 26, 2005 9:21:51 GMT -5
BSG is not set in the future. In that 'verse Earth is a colony of Kobol, not the other way around. That's what I get for coming to the party late. Thanks, Becca! Better late than never! And I'm still confused about the whole timeline. |
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