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Post by Lola m on Jan 6, 2006 23:02:08 GMT -5
And they're plotting to slit each others' throats... simultaneously.... " starting with Adama"?! That's what's worrying me too.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 6, 2006 23:02:43 GMT -5
Whoa. She's going to infiltrate Galactica, with marines! And he's doing the same thing with Starbuck. Wow. They are thinking the same thing! That's fabulous! Both are planning the assassination of each other! Think of how scary good they'd be if they channelled their intelligence into working together. ;D They might actually kick the Cylon's butts.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 6, 2006 23:03:57 GMT -5
I'm worried that Cain's plan is for much more than just an assasination. The way she said "start with Adama". Bugger. I had to lower the volume so as not to disturb dad, and I missed that little nuance. She's planning a complete take-over of the ship. And we know how well she handled taking over the civilian ships . . .
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Post by Onjel on Jan 6, 2006 23:05:06 GMT -5
Bugger. I had to lower the volume so as not to disturb dad, and I missed that little nuance. She's planning a complete take-over of the ship. And we know how well she handled taking over the civilian ships . . . Exactly what I was thinking!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 6, 2006 23:20:01 GMT -5
And we know how well she handled taking over the civilian ships . . . Exactly what I was thinking! It's skeeery, isn't it? And now, I think I need to toddle off bedwards!
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Jan 7, 2006 11:32:38 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to?
Julia, ever the optimist
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Post by Matthew on Jan 7, 2006 13:40:48 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to? Julia, ever the optimist True: his conscience is bothering him on it something fierce, or he wouldn't be shriving himself with Tigh. He has the perfect opportunity: she's given the orders to make the Marines "picked men" even if she wants that to mean "utterly faithful to ME" it doesn't have to. I'm wondering if it's not his arm holding the gun on her in the previews for next week, where she is saying "Frak you" with her hands raised. hmmm.
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Post by Sara on Jan 7, 2006 20:34:07 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to? Julia, ever the optimist True: his conscience is bothering him on it something fierce, or he wouldn't be shriving himself with Tigh. He has the perfect opportunity: she's given the orders to make the Marines "picked men" even if she wants that to mean "utterly faithful to ME" it doesn't have to. I'm wondering if it's not his arm holding the gun on her in the previews for next week, where she is saying "Frak you" with her hands raised. hmmm. My money's on it being her Cylon prisoner--the hand holding the gun is shaking, and I thought I saw a red band around the wrist. Plus, as I recall, it's an awful small hand--smaller than I typical associate with men.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 8, 2006 12:49:05 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to? Julia, ever the optimist That's my only hope. That he's been desperately looking for some way out and finding the rest of the fleet and a civilian authority is the answer. But Cain is right when she thinks of him as weak and that can work against her, but also for her. He might be too afraid to truly break from her in that way. I mean, it's one thing to drunkenly tell the story to another person and hope that they will take care of it - it's another to act yourself.
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Post by Karen on Jan 8, 2006 13:33:28 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to? Julia, ever the optimist I got the impression when we first met the Pegagus XO, that he has not great love for his commander. I'll buy your theory. I was interrupted so many times during this episode that I could barely follow it. Have I mentioned how I hate cell phones?
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Post by Sara on Jan 8, 2006 19:36:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who ended up wondering, later on, if Adama would have been plotting Cain's assassination long before Roslin suggested it if Cain had been a man? Did it take another woman to really understand and acknowledge the threat Cain truly posed? Or was it more a matter of Roslin having a different perspective because she wasn't in the military, and thus didn't share Adama's sense of duty, respect and deference towards a superior officer--enabling Roslin to have a clearer head when it came to Cain and her actions?
Thoughts, comments?
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Post by Onjel on Jan 8, 2006 21:29:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one who ended up wondering, later on, if Adama would have been plotting Cain's assassination long before Roslin suggested it if Cain had been a man? Did it take another woman to really understand and acknowledge the threat Cain truly posed? Or was it more a matter of Roslin having a different perspective because she wasn't in the military, and thus didn't share Adama's sense of duty, respect and deference towards a superior officer--enabling Roslin to have a clearer head when it came to Cain and her actions?Thoughts, comments? That's what I am thinking. My impression is that being outside of the military did give her more of an objective perspective regarding Cain and her motives/actions and the threat that she posed. The respect for the chain of command is ingrained in Adama, and I think that it would not have mattered had Cain been a man.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 9, 2006 10:31:17 GMT -5
So, UMF and I watched the ep last night (finally), and I gotta eat and get ready for work, but I just wanna say this: during the first ad break, I said, "Can we not just shoot her in the head? I don't like her. Can we just shoot her?" To which he replied, "It wouldn't be a very exciting piece of conflict for the show if they just shot her, would it?" And as the credits started to roll, I looked over at Dave and said, "MY plan." "It IS your plan!" And I got to be all smug for the rest of the evening.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 9, 2006 10:32:44 GMT -5
OK, but... do you really think that Cain's officer is going to follow her orders this time, when there is another chain of command he can look to? Before, if he refused an illegal order, there was no refuge. Isn't the existance of Gallactica and a civilian authority something he can look to? Isn't that what the drinking scene was leading up to? Julia, ever the optimist That's what I thought, too - she's sending the wrong person. I only hope he's not so afraid of her that he just does it and worries about the karma later, as per usual.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 9, 2006 11:12:49 GMT -5
Am I the only one who ended up wondering, later on, if Adama would have been plotting Cain's assassination long before Roslin suggested it if Cain had been a man? Did it take another woman to really understand and acknowledge the threat Cain truly posed? Or was it more a matter of Roslin having a different perspective because she wasn't in the military, and thus didn't share Adama's sense of duty, respect and deference towards a superior officer--enabling Roslin to have a clearer head when it came to Cain and her actions?Thoughts, comments? That's what I am thinking. My impression is that being outside of the military did give her more of an objective perspective regarding Cain and her motives/actions and the threat that she posed. The respect for the chain of command is ingrained in Adama, and I think that it would not have mattered had Cain been a man. Although it IS interesting, from the point of view that Dave and I have argued now, twice, about whether it's okay to shoot her in the head. I may just be more bloodthirsty than he is, but I was all over killing her the second she sentenced his men to death (actually, from the second I discovered she endorsed rape and torture of prisoners), while he's still arguing that she's a victim of circumstance. Not that she's not a monster, but that she might not be a native monster. I figure her for a waste of oxygen from Day 1, just looking for an excuse to become what she is now. So maybe it does take another woman to just go, "She's not worth trying to save."
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