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Post by Matthew on Feb 17, 2006 23:08:37 GMT -5
Yup. Heroic death. But he was still a lousy commander. A good and noble engineer, but a lousy commander. "He was used to working with machines." Well, hammer home the whole Cylon dilemna, why don't you? Commander Apollo! Woot! Break out the champagne and the babes! OMG. Prosecute the Gemenese girl? Aren't you happy enough that the law went your way? "I insist." Oooooh, don't say that to Roslin. Um. Hate to say it, but "pound of flesh" wouldn't be a phrase these people would be using. Just to be all nitpicky. Buck authority and get away with it. And there's the heart of their problems. Damn, Six! Work that dress, girl. Oh, Baltar. You're right, but you're just as self serving with your decision and announcement as Roslin was. So maybe he just lied to her about the figures, eh? And that's why they seemed wonky to us? Um, Yola? I said that to myself a few times this season, on a lot of the things that they've said that were based out of this culture. Then I invoked the intercontinental ballistic penguin-missle-launchers, on myself: they write in English, speak in U.S. Navy terms, and basically are "us in space" So I let them have the references, mysself: I think of it as being along what Asimov said when he wrote Nightfall, that the culture is herewith presented to us in symbols we most clearly recognize. You know, similar to that scene in Hunt for Red Oktober where they say a word that's the same in both languages and zippie! They are speaking in English all of a sudden. Just so we can understand em without subtitles. Only more comprehensive. In reality, I'm sure that the people on BSG all have EIGHT arms, and sixteen ears, and are represented this way to us for Thermian-like reasons.
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Post by Karen on Feb 17, 2006 23:19:52 GMT -5
Ok, so maybe he was a little like Scotty. Interesting how Starbuck, Apollo and Garner excelled when they each were where they were meant to be. Nicely put. When they got to do the things they loved, in the way that was right for them, they succeeded. Coolness. So, if Roslyn gets kicked out as President, will she become a Zarak-like rebel? Because I'm thinking she really doesn't like being President and would rather teach and champion human rights.
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Post by Karen on Feb 17, 2006 23:21:49 GMT -5
Oh jesus. This guy is NOT a command officer. Ah, and billy-mourning. I like the new Billy replacement. Of course, she'll probably end up being a shithead. Also liked one of the new pilots - a woman, and some of the new pilot men were pretty, too.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 18, 2006 13:28:41 GMT -5
Yup. Heroic death. But he was still a lousy commander. A good and noble engineer, but a lousy commander. "He was used to working with machines." Well, hammer home the whole Cylon dilemna, why don't you? Commander Apollo! Woot! Break out the champagne and the babes! OMG. Prosecute the Gemenese girl? Aren't you happy enough that the law went your way? "I insist." Oooooh, don't say that to Roslin. Um. Hate to say it, but "pound of flesh" wouldn't be a phrase these people would be using. Just to be all nitpicky. Buck authority and get away with it. And there's the heart of their problems. Damn, Six! Work that dress, girl. Oh, Baltar. You're right, but you're just as self serving with your decision and announcement as Roslin was. So maybe he just lied to her about the figures, eh? And that's why they seemed wonky to us? Um, Yola? I said that to myself a few times this season, on a lot of the things that they've said that were based out of this culture. Then I invoked the intercontinental ballistic penguin-missle-launchers, on myself: they write in English, speak in U.S. Navy terms, and basically are "us in space" So I let them have the references, mysself: I think of it as being along what Asimov said when he wrote Nightfall, that the culture is herewith presented to us in symbols we most clearly recognize. You know, similar to that scene in Hunt for Red Oktober where they say a word that's the same in both languages and zippie! They are speaking in English all of a sudden. Just so we can understand em without subtitles. Only more comprehensive. In reality, I'm sure that the people on BSG all have EIGHT arms, and sixteen ears, and are represented this way to us for Thermian-like reasons. **snickers** Yeah, I know I know. #smirk# And I can usually make myself not notice that kind of stuff. Every now and then it just pokes ya in the eye, ya know? **goes back to happy fanwanking place** ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 18, 2006 20:06:10 GMT -5
Lee and Dualla really together
The beast and the bucket.
getting back to pegasus, that's good. workplace politics. day in the life.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 18, 2006 20:15:26 GMT -5
Lee/Kara dynamics
In-group/out-group
The "Kara" problem
I like the new commander of the pegasus.
Billy. sniff. New presidental aide.
the Campaign. good.
Who is going to vote for CrazyBaltar?
Interesting that the power is in the fleets, transportation-->politics
That's who the woman is. Abortion issue again. Religious conflict. interesting. Abortion in the face of extinction, different than abortion in the face of overpopulation.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 18, 2006 20:23:45 GMT -5
Political Intrigue! Will Rosslyn compromise her principles to stay above what's his name? She did before when she nominated Baltar for vice president.
Adama's thinking what I'm thinking.
Distress call!?
Oy, Kara.
Is Lee with Dualla because she's more stable? Just comfort because it's what he needs but no deep connection?
The "you shot me" conversation.
Cylon trap?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 18, 2006 20:30:07 GMT -5
Pondering succession of Pegasus commanders. Flavor of the Pegasus.
Six!! Wowsers.
18 years to extinction.
Interbreeding with the cylons?
Does Roslin's decree apply to Sharon as well?
Effect of Roslin's decree on treatment of women?
Nukes!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 18, 2006 20:43:56 GMT -5
Is this the end of the Pegasus?
parallel between pegasus commander and starbuck, transitioning to leadership, letting go of what they started off doing.
Lee at the con? Wow!
like the upside down shot of Kara
Lee the diplomat.
"He was used to machines, command is about people."
machines-cylons.
Lee put in charge of Pegasus for real, Wow!! and Aw....
Bad Ass Roslin!
So both Lee and Dualla are together on the Pegasus now?
Kiss, Kiss!! handholding. Kiss, Kiss!!
Baltar getting his politics on!
Love the ending with the clapping echoing.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 21, 2006 13:15:18 GMT -5
Thinking about Roslin's anti-abortion stance and thinking back to Adama's comment to Kara about not assassinating Cain because "we have to be worthy of surviving." Roslin's gone counter to her beliefs for the sake of survival of humanity (or so she thinks).
I've been thinking about looking up stuff about population dynamics and such, but haven't yet. The stuff I learned in school has been bouncing around my head a bit, but I want to have my facts straight. I might post on it, by and by.
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Post by Karen on Feb 21, 2006 16:40:27 GMT -5
Do we know if human women can become pregnant by a Cylon?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2006 17:24:50 GMT -5
Thinking about Roslin's anti-abortion stance and thinking back to Adama's comment to Kara about not assassinating Cain because "we have to be worthy of surviving." Roslin's gone counter to her beliefs for the sake of survival of humanity (or so she thinks). I've been thinking about looking up stuff about population dynamics and such, but haven't yet. The stuff I learned in school has been bouncing around my head a bit, but I want to have my facts straight. I might post on it, by and by. I'll look forward to reading any info about it, as I want to know if Baltar was "cooking the numbers" at all to set Roslin up. I also have been wondering about the limited space available - I mean, the fleet is a finite amount of room to store people. Not to mention the shortages of supplies they are already experiencing. If they really want a baby boom (and I'm not completely convinced they truly need one), they might have trouble housing and feeding them. Finding a colonisable planet or two might be the answer, as would be increasing their reasources to supply and potentially build more ships.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2006 17:27:00 GMT -5
Do we know if human women can become pregnant by a Cylon? I'm not sure if we have definitive proof. I mean, we saw pregnant human women at the baby farm but I tend to assume they were artificially inseminated (as they tried to so with Starbuck). Interesting question, actually . . . . especially with all the emphasis being put on Boomer's baby.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 21, 2006 17:34:28 GMT -5
Thinking about Roslin's anti-abortion stance and thinking back to Adama's comment to Kara about not assassinating Cain because "we have to be worthy of surviving." Roslin's gone counter to her beliefs for the sake of survival of humanity (or so she thinks). I've been thinking about looking up stuff about population dynamics and such, but haven't yet. The stuff I learned in school has been bouncing around my head a bit, but I want to have my facts straight. I might post on it, by and by. I'll look forward to reading any info about it, as I want to know if Baltar was "cooking the numbers" at all to set Roslin up. I also have been wondering about the limited space available - I mean, the fleet is a finite amount of room to store people. Not to mention the shortages of supplies they are already experiencing. If they really want a baby boom (and I'm not completely convinced they truly need one), they might have trouble housing and feeding them. Finding a colonisable planet or two might be the answer, as would be increasing their reasources to supply and potentially build more ships. Well, Tyrol built a fighter with his own two hands and some spare engines. They've got mining ships and such: I imagine that they could build (or retrofit some other ship) into a flying drydock, to breed more ships as they need more space, if they are going to continue to be a nomadic macro-life culture. Join ships together and build structures between them, that sort of thing. And there's gotta be quite a few that have engines that can push more mass than they already are: especially if they don't worry about making them landable. They are gonna need hydroponics farms, animal ranches, the whole shebang, if they are not gonna either go back and try to take a colony world (which I think would be suicidal) or if they are not gonna scavenge planets as they go on their trip to Terra. I get a strong feeling that a lot of ships are gonna be refitted to industrial work, as time goes on. Too bad they don't have controlled transmutation. That would simplify things so much. And Baltar was SOOO cooking the numbers!!! "Extinction" in eighteen years, when their youngest citizens are not yet even born, and the majority of the fleet looks to have at least sixty-seventy percent of their women in child-bearing age? To make a self-sustaining and increasing healthy population, you need a minimum of something like forty females of child-bearing age, fifteen to twenty males for the genetic diversity, and some luck on not getting wiped out.* *Figures Plucked from A...air: I can't find a citation. More is better, and they got plenty. If Baltar was basing it off onboard supplies and consumption of same, and production levels of foodstuffs in the fleet? They are a hell of a lot richer, yet. A population drive would DEcrease their ability to feed, in that eventuality. NO reason to instill an abortion ban: in a "survivor" culture, where children are regarded as vital (and they will be), social dissaprobation will result in the majority of women bearing them to term and adopting them out, as a cultural duty to the fleet. Those that feel the need to have an abortion will do so quietly, if such service is available, but they'll be fairly rare. Girls too young to BEAR children, or rape victims, or women too old to bear healthy children. Baltar pulled that data from some place that doesn't recieve a lot of sunshine. Or he farked with the data to make it come out wrong, JUST to set her up. I cannot see 49,000 + of all phenotypes and genotypes not being a viable population.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 21, 2006 21:28:57 GMT -5
I'll look forward to reading any info about it, as I want to know if Baltar was "cooking the numbers" at all to set Roslin up. I also have been wondering about the limited space available - I mean, the fleet is a finite amount of room to store people. Not to mention the shortages of supplies they are already experiencing. If they really want a baby boom (and I'm not completely convinced they truly need one), they might have trouble housing and feeding them. Finding a colonisable planet or two might be the answer, as would be increasing their reasources to supply and potentially build more ships. Well, Tyrol built a fighter with his own two hands and some spare engines. They've got mining ships and such: I imagine that they could build (or retrofit some other ship) into a flying drydock, to breed more ships as they need more space, if they are going to continue to be a nomadic macro-life culture. Join ships together and build structures between them, that sort of thing. And there's gotta be quite a few that have engines that can push more mass than they already are: especially if they don't worry about making them landable. They are gonna need hydroponics farms, animal ranches, the whole shebang, if they are not gonna either go back and try to take a colony world (which I think would be suicidal) or if they are not gonna scavenge planets as they go on their trip to Terra. I get a strong feeling that a lot of ships are gonna be refitted to industrial work, as time goes on. Too bad they don't have controlled transmutation. That would simplify things so much. And Baltar was SOOO cooking the numbers!!! "Extinction" in eighteen years, when their youngest citizens are not yet even born, and the majority of the fleet looks to have at least sixty-seventy percent of their women in child-bearing age? To make a self-sustaining and increasing healthy population, you need a minimum of something like forty females of child-bearing age, fifteen to twenty males for the genetic diversity, and some luck on not getting wiped out.* *Figures Plucked from A...air: I can't find a citation. More is better, and they got plenty. If Baltar was basing it off onboard supplies and consumption of same, and production levels of foodstuffs in the fleet? They are a hell of a lot richer, yet. A population drive would DEcrease their ability to feed, in that eventuality. NO reason to instill an abortion ban: in a "survivor" culture, where children are regarded as vital (and they will be), social dissaprobation will result in the majority of women bearing them to term and adopting them out, as a cultural duty to the fleet. Those that feel the need to have an abortion will do so quietly, if such service is available, but they'll be fairly rare. Girls too young to BEAR children, or rape victims, or women too old to bear healthy children. Baltar pulled that data from some place that doesn't recieve a lot of sunshine. Or he farked with the data to make it come out wrong, JUST to set her up. I cannot see 49,000 + of all phenotypes and genotypes not being a viable population. **nods to pretty much all of this** I've been thinking the same thoughts about building more ships, making it a truly nomadic self-sustaining (with the exception of raw materials gathered as they pass by planets or asteroids, etc.) ship-based civilization. Provided the Cylons don't wipe them all out again. And your pulled out of A . . . numbers sound closer to what I was thinking, too. I had this vague memory of reading something about there being enough genetic diversity even with a population of something around or less than 100! It'll be interesting to read what sources and info Liz turns up. The 18 years to extinction is a very odd figure when I think about it. I mean, extinction? When, as you mention, there appears to be a large, relatively young population, including some children? Of course, I'm also wondering even more about Baltar. I mean, did he really come up with these figures months ago? Why? Or did he lie about that too?
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