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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:17:14 GMT -5
Dave made me laugh, Dave made me laugh, la la la la....Dave made me laugh! Dave, count me among one of your many fans! -Lee Hollins
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:17:40 GMT -5
//I just saw "Enemies" last night on FX for the first time. I had heard that Angel faked being Angelus to trap Faith in an episode, so I wasn't surprised about that, but I do have a few questions: -Did Angel sleep with Faith? I wasn't sure. -When did Buffy/Giles figure it out? When did they plan the charade? Anyone know? //
Angel and Faith never slept together, but Faith pushed really hard for it. Angel never really turned into Angelus, he was only play-acting, and sleeping with Faith would have been a line that he knew if he'd crossed he'd have never been able to return to things with Buffy. The Mayor hired the shaman to take Angel's soul. Apparently the shaman was a friend of Giles', indebted to him, and apparently came to Giles first. At least that was the impression I always got, otherwise how would Giles have known which shaman to contact that had been hired by the mayor?
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:18:02 GMT -5
//Flirting is wrong. It is forbidden by The Powers that Be. //
Oh, I'll be burning in hell for a lot more than just that, my dear.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:18:25 GMT -5
//I would have no chance of posting spoilers anyway... I live in France (I am french), so anything I get I get much later than you guys. //
You know you can download the episodes from Kazaa only a few days after they air in the states, for both Buffy and Angel. Since you seem to speak English very well, you can wow your French friends by being up on Angel and Buffy a whole season ahead of them.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:19:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I thought about the shaman. Normally, on other less-intelligent tv shows, they do a "this is how it all happened" thing, but we didn't get that. This ep puts the whole "shaman in Angel" thing into perspective, though, and loved Giles' comment about introducing the shaman to his wife - very funny. Since Angel told Buffy that he went farther as Angelus than he'd expected (or something like that) and since Faith wasn't whining about not getting to sleep with Angel/Angelus, I wasn't sure about that part.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:19:56 GMT -5
First of all, I apologize if this post repeats anything that has already been said before. I read a lot of posts in the previous threads, but not all of them... I couldn't keep up. As mostly everything has been said, I just wanted to add some minor comments: - Tim Minear, the writer of the final episode, said in an online chat (I can give you the URL) that Gunn's visitor was not a black panther, but a black leopard. I didn't even know those existed. - Tim Minear also added this very interesting comment about Connor's fate: Quote: ------------------------------- Tim Minear: The irony of the battle-for-free-will arc wasn't lost on me when I wrote this. Or when I wrote Connor talking about how all love is a lie and you "can't be saved by a lie." I'm irony guy! -------------------------------------- - A friend of mine, when he saw the episode, thought absolutely obvious that (a) the girl in the elevator and the black panther/leopard was the same person and (b) that she was a were-panther (or a were-leopard) and that was the gift that Gunn received... the ability to become a were-something, the ability to turn himself in a leopard. I didn't think any of this was "obvious"... but I find his opinion interesting. I like werewolves and werecreatures, I like their symbolism and mythology. It would be a fascinating way of connecting the symbolism (Gunn has been empowered) and the reality (he now has real abilities to show for it). Anne Guero
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:20:33 GMT -5
//What is with the dissapearing and reappearing? I know you were with us when we first formed the Super Secret S'cubie E-mail page way back when, and then you dropped off the face of the planet for a while.// Thanks Watergal and Diane for the Welcome Back... Yes, I have really been here since the beginning (I think I even posted a few times when we were the all things Spike, James Marsters board) and I was definitely even lurking during the original episode discussions that drove this place to be started... So welcome all new people, even though I feel like at this point you know the place better than I do. The problem is that I was borrowing a fast computer at home for awhile, but I had to give it back, so now I have internet access at work but often no privacy to post in (people here seem to think I'm paid for working on things that actually have to do with my job, it's so weird), and my computer at home is six years old, and just not fast enough to keep up with the pace of the Scubies. (but I try, sometimes.) I'm going to get a new computer soon, since I'm going to law school in a few months, I just haven't really had time to shop for one lately. However, even when I'm not posting, I'm with you all in spirit... actually, that's part of the reason I don't post as much... I really like to read everything people have to say and it takes a LONG Time to catch up.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:21:10 GMT -5
More on the E! stuff -- the video interviews are really fascinating, especially Tony Head and James Marsters both speaking in their real accents. I've heard James before, but it still takes getting used to because he comes across so authentic on the show (at least to my untrained ear). James' comments about Spike's redemption are also some of the most interesting comments of the videos. Everyone else had softball questions to answer, his was the deepest, most probing of the lot.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 10, 2003 16:21:47 GMT -5
//- A friend of mine, when he saw the episode, thought absolutely obvious that (a) the girl in the elevator and the black panther/leopard was the same person and (b) that she was a were-panther (or a were-leopard) and that was the gift that Gunn received... the ability to become a were-something, the ability to turn himself in a leopard. I didn't think any of this was "obvious"... but I find his opinion interesting. I like werewolves and werecreatures, I like their symbolism and mythology. It would be a fascinating way of connecting the symbolism (Gunn has been empowered) and the reality (he now has real abilities to show for it).// Okay, I didn't pick up ANY of that... I'm not sure how I feel about Gunn having supernatural abilities... I kind of liked him human... although, I guess we have Wesley and Fred, so we don't NEED him to be the "non super" one.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:02:27 GMT -5
David, this is exactly what I am doing... downloading the episodes on Kazaa. But I didn't want to mention it obviously at first, thinking that it might get frowned upon here... As I buy all the ME DVDs, I think it balances my evil deed, though. (Jasmine said we should all love each other, though. Did this include flirting?)
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:02:48 GMT -5
This is from last section, but I'm pretty sure it was Spike rather than Anya who Joss said was the Cordy replacement. The reason I think that's right is because I remember thinking when I read it, "Why would he say SPIKE was replacing Cordy, when it's obvious that ANYA was replacing Cordy?" Of course, I could be delusional. But if you think back to Something Blue, in particular, Spike's role is a lot like Cordy's role. He's not really an insider in the group, and he's willing to say blatantly what they are all pretending isn't true. He never really stopped doing that, but then Anya sort of took over that job when she got more integrated into the scoobies.And then spike's role in season four was very different from what it became when he fell for Buffy.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:03:43 GMT -5
Julie, I didn't pick on any of these either. I just thought it was an interesting interpretation. I can see your point about the supernatural abilities, though. Sure, Wesley and Fred are "normal" humans... but Fred is super smart and Wesley is highly trained, extremely litterate and is a former watcher. So neither of them is exactly average. If Gunn gets "something special", we won't have any average human in the team... not Xander-like average, anyway. (And God knows I absolutely love Xander.)
Anne Guero
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:04:29 GMT -5
//Tim Minear, the writer of the final episode, said in an online chat (I can give you the URL) that Gunn's visitor was not a black panther, but a black leopard. I didn't even know those existed. // That much I'm sure is true. As a kid I always thought the black panther was an interesting animal and read as much as I could about it. Turns out, there's no such thing -- what we normally think of as a black panther is really a variation on the leopard family. As for the woman in the elevator turning into the panther, that could be interesting. I did find it interesting that she didn't go into the white room with him, even though she was on the elevator. Every other time anyone has taken a trip to the white room, everyone on the elevator went to the room; it hasn't been like those situations where "it's only for you to go, I cannot accompany you." But the white room has always also been about prophecy ("The answer is among you"), so whether the woman became the panther or not, the panther wasn't as much about her as it was about Gunn. What it meant specifically about Gunn, hopefully we'll find out. David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:05:16 GMT -5
Saw Mrs Brown, loved it, also JD's short but wonderful part as Elizabeth I in Shakespeare in Love. I think her Oscar for that was basically a combo for both queens, as she should have won the year before. I want to be Judi Dench when I grow up... Actually, I think there are probably a lot of "older" actresses out there who would be great additions to Angel, or any other TV show. Now all we need to do is convince the PTBs that us "women of a certain age" are still audience draws. By the way, I would have to wish you luck bossing around the souled "boys" - I have enough trouble with my daughters, and one of them is still shorter than me. I can see it now - "Spike, stop teasing Angel, or no Passions for a week!". Too silly, too silly.
Anne Davis
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Post by Dalton on Oct 14, 2003 11:05:51 GMT -5
/I'm not sure how I feel about Gunn having supernatural abilities... I kind of liked him human... although, I guess we have Wesley and Fred, so we don't NEED him to be the "non super" one. // I sort of like having the majority of the Fang Gang being not super, even though they are all battle-proven. So I agree, I'm not sure I want to see Gunn getting super-powers, at least not battle-type super-powers. Maybe some sort of confidence or prophetic sense, but not like super-strength or agility.
David Crenshaw
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