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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 1, 2007 6:08:02 GMT -5
Jaffy1979 on the scifi.com boards has a rather interesting Grand Unifying Theory about the show. Once upon a time, on a planet known as Earth man created robots to fulfill his needs. Man being Man, he also used his robots to wage war against his enemies. Trapped on his isolated island home, Man's warfare destroyed the planet, rendering it uninhabitable.
The survivors of this holocaust formed a rag tag fleet of space vessels who left Earth in search of a new home. As they traveled through space, they left markers that would lead them back to Earth one day, when the planet had healed itself. The robots looked after the surviving humans and guided them through space to their new home, which they named Kobol.
As time wore on, the memory of Man faded and he forgot his own history and came to believe that his robot caretakers were in fact Gods-- and the robots were content to allow this illusion to persist- it only served their own purpose, which was to protect Man until the time came for a return to Earth. But the humans came to despise these "gods" and rose up against them. War ensued and Kobol was turned into the same sort of war zone Earth had become. The robots lamented how all this had happened before-- and realized that because of the nature of Man to destroy himself, all this would happen again.
The robots developed a plan. They would cease to be gods and live as humans. They would forget who they were, allow their programming and true identity to be hidden from even themselves until the time they would be needed again. They lived lifetime after lifetime, as man destroyed Kobol and split into twelve colonies, the Five robots lived like humans growing old and dying transmitting their programming and robot identity with each new generation- their spouses not knowing that their child was not, in fact, human at all. All the time humanity flourished and forgot about its robot companions, who now were remembered only as shadowy Gods
And once again Man found a way to destroy himself. When scientists discovered (not knowing they were rediscovering) artificial intelligence and robotics, the Five, unknowing even to themselves, made sure that this new breed of robot: The Cylon would serve their original purpose. The Earth, now eons of time had passed had cleansed itself and it was time for Man to return home.
But Humanity had grown comfortable on the 12 colonies. Even after the devastation of the Cylon War, they had no desire to look for some myth known as Earth. So, the new breed of Cylons, directed by their programming (which they saw as God) set out to destroy all but a shred of humanity- and hunt them and force them to seek out their mythic place of refuge. Even the Cylons didn't understand why, after successfully ridding their corner of the universe of humans, they felt compelled to find Earth as well.
As the Fleet neared Earth, the original Five, whose personality had been hidden for centuries, woke up to complete their mission: The safe return of humanity to Earth. But there is more to their plan. While Man forgets time and again his cruelty and self-destruction, the Five have seen it happen again and again. So they do not intend to repopulate Earth with Man, who will undoubtedly destroy it yet again, but with the next generation of life- a cross between Cylon and Human. There are two, a boy and a girl and they alone will inherit the Earth.
That is, unless somebody (or rather, three women) stop them.Very cool! Does he say who the 3 women are? No, but I was thinking he was referring to Roslin, Athena, and Caprica. re: their opera house dream.
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Post by Karen on Apr 1, 2007 9:50:39 GMT -5
Very cool! Does he say who the 3 women are? No, but I was thinking he was referring to Roslin, Athena, and Caprica. re: their opera house dream. That's who I assumed, too, but really - at least 2 of them aren't technically 'women'.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:41:24 GMT -5
Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. Were they actually triggered? Or did they just sort of figure it out? I have not seen the episodes yet where Sharon was triggered, or any other Cylon for that matter , so I am not sure, but it does not seem like they were triggered to me, or at least not what was my Idea of what would happen when they were triggered. Excellent distinction!! When Boomer was "triggered", it seemed to happen all at once. IMHO, she . . . did the task that she was sent there to do and became aware of herself as a cylon at the same time. The final 5 could be "special" in that they don't have a task or role that they are triggered to do, just the awareness that they are cylon. OR they could have a separate triggering for awareness and then action.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:47:27 GMT -5
Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon. I agree , I would like to see it be her as well, although I dont think it is, she never once mentioned or seemed like she could here all along the watchtower, so I just dont know. Another question, If Starbucks ship blew up, how did she get another, and more importantly how did she survive? was the ship she was in Cylon? If so I have to put my money on her, They would not supply her with a Cylon ship for nothing would they? Another good question. Was the ship's destruction an . . . illusion of some kind? Was it really the leap to another area of space, where she found earth? Or did she find another ship in another way?
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Post by Rachael on Apr 2, 2007 16:47:46 GMT -5
Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. Were they actually triggered? Or did they just sort of figure it out? I have not seen the episodes yet where Sharon was triggered, or any other Cylon for that matter , so I am not sure, but it does not seem like they were triggered to me, or at least not what was my Idea of what would happen when they were triggered. I dunno. It seemed to me there was a definite aspect of "trigger" about it - the way they all arrived in the same place at the same time.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:49:43 GMT -5
Teaser Old school shaving. Phone sex? So she's back on the stand again. It's gonna end Tyrol's hearing the music too. No credits again. Boo. I like the credits. I guess they're trying to optimize their time. Tory and Anders? Wow. Does Seelix have a crush on Anders and that's why she's peeved? I can't decide if that is the issue. Or if she was cranky about having sex in the pilot room. Or because she doesn't like Tory (lingering issues from New Caprica). Or if she sees it as a betrayal of Starbuck's memory. Or . . . . Nice comparison!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:54:36 GMT -5
Part II Ah, I see his game. Lee didn't see that coming. Father-son issues, for the whole world to see. Yup. If nothing else, it really did force that issue. Make everyone look at how much of all this is really issues between Adama and Apollo. Make Adama and Apollo look at how much is just all about them, too. I was very glad to see this point brought up. Because it's logical. And logic has been very missing from this trial. ;D True!! Although, I kind of see it like . . . pulling the scab off. Like . . . they let Apollo's rant go on because they needed the release. Even tho' it wasn't correct court procedure, once it got going the entire courtroom needed to hear it.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:57:22 GMT -5
Part III Like everything human, justice is flawed. Imperfections separate us from machines and makes us worth saving. Coming back to this again. Not guiltly. Baltar Apologists. He cries! He really didn't think that he would be aquitted. Baltar Haters. Chaos. And Baltar's back to his slimy self. So what is Baltar going to do with himself now, I wonder? Close ups again. A book tour. Naturally. What about me? Don't worry, Baltar. You always manage to survive. Grandpa Adama was an not honest man. Boy am I curious about him now. Glasses on again. Leaves the cane behind. Of course. Not guilty is not the same as innocent. Yep. Adama's principles come through again. It's been a while. No one's asking anyone to forget, or forgive. Interesting in context of what Lee said about everyone being forgiven. They're at the nebula. Roslin felt something before the power went on the fritz. Interesting. That is the one thing that is making me leave Roslin on the "possible final cylon" list - her reaction to the power thing. Otherwise, I'm still rooting for Baltar. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 16:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:00:47 GMT -5
I can't decide. It's so very obviously a probably bad thing that . . . it could very well be the exact opposite. Well, except for the issue I've always had with the whole "find Earth" concept, in the original series and this one. Which is, speaking as a person on Earth, I don't know that we're all that appreciative of you guys bringing a whole bunch of homicidal machines to our world. ;D Didn't Farscape have that same problem? I wonder if the show is going to touch on this. It would be very biblical, to find the Promised Land only to discover that it's already occupied. **nods** One of the things that I love about Farscape is how much John realizes that what he has done has endangered earth. And he tries to mitigate it as much as he can. Plus, I love the cynicism it gives him when he actually gets back to earth.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:02:16 GMT -5
Were they actually triggered? Or did they just sort of figure it out? I have not seen the episodes yet where Sharon was triggered, or any other Cylon for that matter , so I am not sure, but it does not seem like they were triggered to me, or at least not what was my Idea of what would happen when they were triggered. In the first season, Boomer sort of... lost time and did things. SHe felt an affinity with a capture Raider. Then finally, other copies of her model revealed themselves to her. Not really the same. I think. Yeah. I don't think she "knew" she was cylon until she actually . . . acted.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:06:02 GMT -5
When he started talking about Ellen . . . . I felt so sorry for him! Denial and duty is all he's got now. I don't think it's denial. I think Sharon Agathon set an excellent example. Free will, human or Cylon. I'm all for it. Well put.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:06:53 GMT -5
After that speech, Adama had to vote to acquit or he would be entering into an area where I would seriously question why he is leading. He should have disqualified himself from the panel in the first place but bottom line, the prosecutor didn't prove their case. And Felix is a lying liar who lies. Interesting. Walking on the dark side big time. I'm glad he ended up NOT being a Cylon because that would have been too easy. Felix is a smug bastard. And he has stupid hair. Yeah. You soooooo want him, I can tell.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:08:31 GMT -5
Jaffy1979 on the scifi.com boards has a rather interesting Grand Unifying Theory about the show. Once upon a time, on a planet known as Earth man created robots to fulfill his needs. Man being Man, he also used his robots to wage war against his enemies. Trapped on his isolated island home, Man's warfare destroyed the planet, rendering it uninhabitable.
The survivors of this holocaust formed a rag tag fleet of space vessels who left Earth in search of a new home. As they traveled through space, they left markers that would lead them back to Earth one day, when the planet had healed itself. The robots looked after the surviving humans and guided them through space to their new home, which they named Kobol.
As time wore on, the memory of Man faded and he forgot his own history and came to believe that his robot caretakers were in fact Gods-- and the robots were content to allow this illusion to persist- it only served their own purpose, which was to protect Man until the time came for a return to Earth. But the humans came to despise these "gods" and rose up against them. War ensued and Kobol was turned into the same sort of war zone Earth had become. The robots lamented how all this had happened before-- and realized that because of the nature of Man to destroy himself, all this would happen again.
The robots developed a plan. They would cease to be gods and live as humans. They would forget who they were, allow their programming and true identity to be hidden from even themselves until the time they would be needed again. They lived lifetime after lifetime, as man destroyed Kobol and split into twelve colonies, the Five robots lived like humans growing old and dying transmitting their programming and robot identity with each new generation- their spouses not knowing that their child was not, in fact, human at all. All the time humanity flourished and forgot about its robot companions, who now were remembered only as shadowy Gods
And once again Man found a way to destroy himself. When scientists discovered (not knowing they were rediscovering) artificial intelligence and robotics, the Five, unknowing even to themselves, made sure that this new breed of robot: The Cylon would serve their original purpose. The Earth, now eons of time had passed had cleansed itself and it was time for Man to return home.
But Humanity had grown comfortable on the 12 colonies. Even after the devastation of the Cylon War, they had no desire to look for some myth known as Earth. So, the new breed of Cylons, directed by their programming (which they saw as God) set out to destroy all but a shred of humanity- and hunt them and force them to seek out their mythic place of refuge. Even the Cylons didn't understand why, after successfully ridding their corner of the universe of humans, they felt compelled to find Earth as well.
As the Fleet neared Earth, the original Five, whose personality had been hidden for centuries, woke up to complete their mission: The safe return of humanity to Earth. But there is more to their plan. While Man forgets time and again his cruelty and self-destruction, the Five have seen it happen again and again. So they do not intend to repopulate Earth with Man, who will undoubtedly destroy it yet again, but with the next generation of life- a cross between Cylon and Human. There are two, a boy and a girl and they alone will inherit the Earth.
That is, unless somebody (or rather, three women) stop them.Whoa. Well, it fits the whole "everything has happened before and will happen again" theme.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 2, 2007 17:09:43 GMT -5
Were they actually triggered? Or did they just sort of figure it out? I have not seen the episodes yet where Sharon was triggered, or any other Cylon for that matter , so I am not sure, but it does not seem like they were triggered to me, or at least not what was my Idea of what would happen when they were triggered. I dunno. It seemed to me there was a definite aspect of "trigger" about it - the way they all arrived in the same place at the same time. Oooh, it's an English!Rachael post! ;D
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