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Post by Sara on Mar 29, 2007 12:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I pretty much had that part figured out. The old BSG made it clear that the events were concurrent with Earth of today. Nevertheless, that should mean that they'd have been developing in isolation for many milennia, and the customs and fashions and habits would be a bit different. Still, it seems an odd choice. The particular song. New theory, though: the music is from Earth. Contemporary Earth. Like, when they get here, it's gonna be NOW, or not too far from now. Which is an old idea, from the old show - but it could conceivably explain the music and Starbuck still being alive. Plus, until Ron Moore himself confirms for me that those four are Cylons, I'm unconvinced. So if there's an interview out there where he says "those are four of them, yeah", someone point me to the link? Ask and ye shall receive. From the same interview: When did you break it to the actors that they were going to be Cylons?Pretty late in the game. Not literally when we shot it, but pretty late in the season. I'm thinking especially of Michael Hogan, who plays Colonel Tigh — he was, for me, the most surprising choice, and certainly the most ironic.Michael's very low-key. Michael went [nonchalantly] ''Wow. Okay. Very shocking. Shocking stuff.'' [Chuckles] He talked about it a little bit, wanted to understand it, but he liked it from the get-go and was very, very supportive of it. They all were pretty intrigued by it. I think Aaron [Douglas, who plays Chief Galen Tyrol] was the most hesitant. ''Are you sure? I want to make sure we're not losing something.'' I had to talk with Aaron a little bit longer than the others. It's interesting that Aaron was the one who was the most hesitant, because his character has spent the most time on the series wrestling with the idea that he actually is a Cylon.His chief objection — no pun intended — was that he's the common man in a lot of ways, the blue-collar guy, the salt-of-the-Earth character. And he was concerned that we would turn him into a master villain or something. I said, ''No, no, no, you are still going to be Tyrol.'' He doesn't even know why he's a Cylon, or what it means. It's a process of discovery for him, and trying to figure out what it means for him as a character. As it is for all four of them.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 12:29:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I pretty much had that part figured out. The old BSG made it clear that the events were concurrent with Earth of today. Nevertheless, that should mean that they'd have been developing in isolation for many milennia, and the customs and fashions and habits would be a bit different. Still, it seems an odd choice. The particular song. New theory, though: the music is from Earth. Contemporary Earth. Like, when they get here, it's gonna be NOW, or not too far from now. Which is an old idea, from the old show - but it could conceivably explain the music and Starbuck still being alive. Plus, until Ron Moore himself confirms for me that those four are Cylons, I'm unconvinced. So if there's an interview out there where he says "those are four of them, yeah", someone point me to the link? Ask and ye shall receive. From the same interview: When did you break it to the actors that they were going to be Cylons?Pretty late in the game. Not literally when we shot it, but pretty late in the season. I'm thinking especially of Michael Hogan, who plays Colonel Tigh — he was, for me, the most surprising choice, and certainly the most ironic.Michael's very low-key. Michael went [nonchalantly] ''Wow. Okay. Very shocking. Shocking stuff.'' [Chuckles] He talked about it a little bit, wanted to understand it, but he liked it from the get-go and was very, very supportive of it. They all were pretty intrigued by it. I think Aaron [Douglas, who plays Chief Galen Tyrol] was the most hesitant. ''Are you sure? I want to make sure we're not losing something.'' I had to talk with Aaron a little bit longer than the others. It's interesting that Aaron was the one who was the most hesitant, because his character has spent the most time on the series wrestling with the idea that he actually is a Cylon.His chief objection — no pun intended — was that he's the common man in a lot of ways, the blue-collar guy, the salt-of-the-Earth character. And he was concerned that we would turn him into a master villain or something. I said, ''No, no, no, you are still going to be Tyrol.'' He doesn't even know why he's a Cylon, or what it means. It's a process of discovery for him, and trying to figure out what it means for him as a character. As it is for all four of them. Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon.
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Post by Sara on Mar 29, 2007 12:40:52 GMT -5
Ask and ye shall receive. From the same interview: When did you break it to the actors that they were going to be Cylons?Pretty late in the game. Not literally when we shot it, but pretty late in the season. I'm thinking especially of Michael Hogan, who plays Colonel Tigh — he was, for me, the most surprising choice, and certainly the most ironic.Michael's very low-key. Michael went [nonchalantly] ''Wow. Okay. Very shocking. Shocking stuff.'' [Chuckles] He talked about it a little bit, wanted to understand it, but he liked it from the get-go and was very, very supportive of it. They all were pretty intrigued by it. I think Aaron [Douglas, who plays Chief Galen Tyrol] was the most hesitant. ''Are you sure? I want to make sure we're not losing something.'' I had to talk with Aaron a little bit longer than the others. It's interesting that Aaron was the one who was the most hesitant, because his character has spent the most time on the series wrestling with the idea that he actually is a Cylon.His chief objection — no pun intended — was that he's the common man in a lot of ways, the blue-collar guy, the salt-of-the-Earth character. And he was concerned that we would turn him into a master villain or something. I said, ''No, no, no, you are still going to be Tyrol.'' He doesn't even know why he's a Cylon, or what it means. It's a process of discovery for him, and trying to figure out what it means for him as a character. As it is for all four of them. Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon.Eetah to the wordieth power.
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Post by Karen on Mar 29, 2007 13:45:55 GMT -5
Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon.Eetah to the wordieth power. Heh. Will she put herself out the nearest airlock?
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Post by Onjel on Mar 29, 2007 13:49:05 GMT -5
Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon.Eetah to the wordieth power. I'll join you in the town of "I wishville".
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 16:51:27 GMT -5
I'm with you, in that I agree that Adama votes to acquit. Don't know if there will be two votes for acquittal, though. After that speech, Adama had to vote to acquit or he would be entering into an area where I would seriously question why he is leading. He should have disqualified himself from the panel in the first place but bottom line, the prosecutor didn't prove their case. And Felix is a lying liar who lies. Interesting. Walking on the dark side big time. I'm glad he ended up NOT being a Cylon because that would have been too easy. I too really like that Gaeta continues to be more "dark side" and yet is not a cylon.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 16:55:45 GMT -5
I think number 5 is still up for grabs. Yup, I'd have to agree—we still don't know with any certainty who the fifth Cylon was. Unless... Kara said she'd been to Earth and could show the fleet the way, right? What if that's because Earth is where Kara woke up in a new Cylon body? Of course, if Earth is where Kara just came from it implies it'll only take a few weeks for the fleet to reach Earth... Which in and of itself might make for some interesting drama, I suppose... Eh, I really shouldn't be trying to think this early in the morning anyway. See this is another reason why I was wondering earlier if the choice of an actual "earth" song was just for atmosphere or if it means more. 'Cuz I'm thinking the whole ship was both broadcasting (a signal to the cylon fleet to find them - "it's in the ship" said Tigh) and receiving (a signal to awaken the remaining cylons - but not a signal generally known about in the cylon community - a secret signal). And if the ship was receiving, and if Earth is that close, then maybe it was receiving radio signals from Earth and it's a clue to the time frame. In other words, they are arriving during our actual time now.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 16:58:37 GMT -5
You were right to be worried. Interesting how Tigh was the one who took the lead in saying that it didn't matter. Of course, he'd go completely bonkers if he really stopped to think about it, so denial is the best course of action for him. [Grumble, grumble. Sometimes I forget I'm on "preview" and try to make a change and hit backspace and it trashes my whole, long fascinating post. grumble, grumble.] [Also, disclaimer---I watch unregularly.] So they are exploring a number of interesting concepts here: --Nature vs nurture of course, but I think it's deeper than that. --Free-will and self determination. (Go Tigh, whom I've never been fond of until now.) --Are the Cylons really planting "sleeper agents" who they hope will be traitors to the humans or are they actually conduction complex sociology experiments proving that if the pre-conception toward "racial bias" is removed (you don't know they are Cylons) everybody could get along and live together? Smaller thoughts: Wondering if all the newly revealed Cylons will continue to be "loyal" to the humans. All 3 men maybe, but I don't trust that woman. So we have another hybrid baby? Are we still supposed to wonder if either Roslyn or Starbuck might be the 5th Cylon. [Really, folks, do you all think the writers have even decided who it is yet? ] Sigh. The original post was much more thoughtful. Well, I thought this was pretty thoughtful. I think you are right that we are meant to question ideas of self determination, etc. And I am now leaning toward a plan or experiment or something that involves both the humans and the cylons. I mean, I think the cylons think they are running the plan, but . . .
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 16:59:59 GMT -5
Bluntly? No. Destruction is all that's in store, save for a few side-switchers who vote with their hearts, like Athena. POSSIBLY some assimilation, as the humaniforms CAN interbreed with the regular humans, but one side or the other is gonna be on top. And I wonder when it is, here on Terra. Far enough in the future that "All Along the Watchtower" is a thousands of years-old folk ballad that survived? Or are we going (as I kind have been all along, as it's so close to U.S. aircraft carrier stuff) with Asimov's "we present this story to you in symbols you are familliar with, to avoid distracting too much from the story we are telling"? ETA: "Bluntly? No." in disagreement about the "can't we all just get along" bit, not about whether or not you have a brain, as you most assuredly do, woman. Hee! Thanks. I was thinking about the timeline, too. Say they land on earth prehistoric, how far in the past will that be? Pre-bibilical? Or further back than that? Then I got to thinking how if Tyrol is confirmed as a Cylon - then that means his son - Nicky - is a hybrid, like Hera. Of course, my brain went to the Adam (Nicky) and Eve (Hera) place, and then exploded. Interesting, tho - Adama/Adam. Can't see how that all figures in - unless Nicky ends up being raised by the Adama family. (And there is a hint that he might be raised by another - Callie mentioned her fear of that happening.) Ok - enough weirdness. I better go get some coffee. Nicki and Hera in a garden somewhere . . . . ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 17:00:36 GMT -5
After that speech, Adama had to vote to acquit or he would be entering into an area where I would seriously question why he is leading. He should have disqualified himself from the panel in the first place but bottom line, the prosecutor didn't prove their case. And Felix is a lying liar who lies. Interesting. Walking on the dark side big time. I'm glad he ended up NOT being a Cylon because that would have been too easy. He's a bit too much like Baltar. There's a love/hate thing going between them. I'm interested in seeing where they take that relationship. Me too. I want to learn more about what happened on New Caprica.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 17:02:09 GMT -5
anyone else worried that Starbuck showing up with a Cylon fleet in tow is a bad thing? That the whole "I have been to earth, I will take us there" thing is *cough, cough, bullshit, cough* Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. **nods nods nods**
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 17:03:21 GMT -5
"All Along The Watchtower"? Are they frakking kidding me with this? So, the real question, then, is...do we believe it? Are those really the five? Or is it some sort of mind game. 'Cause you know, if they are really "it", then there's another half-Cylon baby in the fleet. Also? 2008? What the frak? That's NINE months away! From the EW interview with Ron Moore: ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, Ron, what was with including Bob Dylan's ''All Along The Watchtower'' in the finale?RONALD MOORE: I had always had this idea of using that particular song in the show as a marker that there were other things going on here. There was this idea developed early in the series, that one of the Colonial scriptures says, ''All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again,'' that certain elements and situations and even people repeat in a cycle of destruction and rebirth and exodus and chase, etc. One of the ideas I wanted to play was, okay, if you found a song that we, the audience, recognize, you realize that you have a connection to this world too, and suddenly other pieces start to fit. Well, why do they wear suits and ties? Why do they look so much like us? What is the connection between them and us? It would put in stark relief the idea that there is a connection between the people on Galatica and our experience on Earth. Hmmmm. So this could mean that it is our timeframe, or it could just be a more metaphorical "everything keeps happening over and over" thing.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 29, 2007 17:04:57 GMT -5
Eetah to the wordieth power. Heh. Will she put herself out the nearest airlock?
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Post by jeff on Mar 29, 2007 17:54:08 GMT -5
anyone else worried that Starbuck showing up with a Cylon fleet in tow is a bad thing? That the whole "I have been to earth, I will take us there" thing is *cough, cough, bullshit, cough* Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. Were they actually triggered? Or did they just sort of figure it out? I have not seen the episodes yet where Sharon was triggered, or any other Cylon for that matter , so I am not sure, but it does not seem like they were triggered to me, or at least not what was my Idea of what would happen when they were triggered.
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Post by jeff on Mar 29, 2007 17:59:53 GMT -5
Ask and ye shall receive. From the same interview: When did you break it to the actors that they were going to be Cylons?Pretty late in the game. Not literally when we shot it, but pretty late in the season. I'm thinking especially of Michael Hogan, who plays Colonel Tigh — he was, for me, the most surprising choice, and certainly the most ironic.Michael's very low-key. Michael went [nonchalantly] ''Wow. Okay. Very shocking. Shocking stuff.'' [Chuckles] He talked about it a little bit, wanted to understand it, but he liked it from the get-go and was very, very supportive of it. They all were pretty intrigued by it. I think Aaron [Douglas, who plays Chief Galen Tyrol] was the most hesitant. ''Are you sure? I want to make sure we're not losing something.'' I had to talk with Aaron a little bit longer than the others. It's interesting that Aaron was the one who was the most hesitant, because his character has spent the most time on the series wrestling with the idea that he actually is a Cylon.His chief objection — no pun intended — was that he's the common man in a lot of ways, the blue-collar guy, the salt-of-the-Earth character. And he was concerned that we would turn him into a master villain or something. I said, ''No, no, no, you are still going to be Tyrol.'' He doesn't even know why he's a Cylon, or what it means. It's a process of discovery for him, and trying to figure out what it means for him as a character. As it is for all four of them. Good enough for me. Then we have two Cylon/human babies, four deep-cover agents, and either Starbuck or the President for the last Cylon...I really hope it's Roslin. I'd pay good money to see her find out she's a Cylon. I agree , I would like to see it be her as well, although I dont think it is, she never once mentioned or seemed like she could here all along the watchtower, so I just dont know. Another question, If Starbucks ship blew up, how did she get another, and more importantly how did she survive? was the ship she was in Cylon? If so I have to put my money on her, They would not supply her with a Cylon ship for nothing would they?
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