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Post by Sue on Mar 26, 2007 13:05:56 GMT -5
[Grumble, grumble. Sometimes I forget I'm on "preview" and try to make a change and hit backspace and it trashes my whole, long fascinating post. grumble, grumble.] [Also, disclaimer---I watch unregularly.] So they are exploring a number of interesting concepts here: --Nature vs nurture of course, but I think it's deeper than that. --Free-will and self determination. (Go Tigh, whom I've never been fond of until now.) --Are the Cylons really planting "sleeper agents" who they hope will be traitors to the humans or are they actually conduction complex sociology experiments proving that if the pre-conception toward "racial bias" is removed (you don't know they are Cylons) everybody could get along and live together? Smaller thoughts: Wondering if all the newly revealed Cylons will continue to be "loyal" to the humans. All 3 men maybe, but I don't trust that woman. So we have another hybrid baby? Are we still supposed to wonder if either Roslyn or Starbuck might be the 5th Cylon. [Really, folks, do you all think the writers have even decided who it is yet? ] Sigh. The original post was much more thoughtful. Good thoughts, Sue. So, you don't trust the woman, huh? Is it the hair? Roslin did burn her in the last episode. I think that depending on what's going on at the moment, that these 4 can go either way, although I'd put most of my money on Tyrol doing the right thing most of the time, because he's a 'good' man/potential Cylon. Sam, too. We don't know all that much about Roslin's aid. Heck, I'm not even sure of her name. Tory? Really, there isn't all that much difference between either breed as far as their capability for doing evil and for doing good, depending on the circumstances.I think I don't like her acting. But I'd love Pixi's opinion on that. Totally agree with your last line. Am interested in what you all think of what the NRC (new-revealed cylons) do now? Do the 'fess up? They know quite well how Sharon was treated. Do they tell her. Come "out of the closet" as it were? Lots and lots of potential intrigue. How programmed are they?
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Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2007 13:25:52 GMT -5
From Wikipedia, re: "Along the Watchtower" as we heard it last night: An Indian themed cover version of the song is heard during the last minute of the last episode. It was composed by Bear McCreary with his brother Brendan, aka Bt4, on vocals and former Oingo Boingo guitarist Steve Bartek playing various guitars and sitars.[4] If you want to read more about the song itself, here's the entry.
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Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2007 14:40:53 GMT -5
EW has post-finale interviews with Mary McDonnell, Edward Olmos and Ron Moore up on its site here. But I absolutely have to share this portion of the article intro with everyone: Okay, so, President Laura Roslin's cancer is back, former president and human outcast Gaius Baltar is not guilty of crimes against humanity, and four of the final five Cylons are: Chief Galen Tyrol, former lover of known Cylon Sharon Valeri (whoa!); Samuel Anders, Starbuck's widowed husband (double whoa!); Tory Foster, President Roslin's right-hand woman and Anders' recent lover (triple whoa!); and Colonel Saul Tigh, the hard-scrabble Galatica XO and the most rabid Cylon-hater this side of New Caprica (quadruple-scoop-fall-on-your-face whoa!).Totally cracked me up...
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Post by Karen on Mar 26, 2007 15:43:57 GMT -5
EW has post-finale interviews with Mary McDonnell, Edward Olmos and Ron Moore up on its site here. But I absolutely have to share this portion of the article intro with everyone: Okay, so, President Laura Roslin's cancer is back, former president and human outcast Gaius Baltar is not guilty of crimes against humanity, and four of the final five Cylons are: Chief Galen Tyrol, former lover of known Cylon Sharon Valeri (whoa!); Samuel Anders, Starbuck's widowed husband (double whoa!); Tory Foster, President Roslin's right-hand woman and Anders' recent lover (triple whoa!); and Colonel Saul Tigh, the hard-scrabble Galatica XO and the most rabid Cylon-hater this side of New Caprica (quadruple-scoop-fall-on-your-face whoa!).Totally cracked me up... No kidding - lots of whoa moments. Little whoas, too - like Gaeta perjuring himself and Romo revealing to Lee his little con game. Interesting answer to this question to Mary M. Do you think Starbuck is the fifth Cylon?I really don't know. I think she just has an extraordinary destiny, and her struggle to come to terms with that is what I find interesting about the whole story. Not whether or not she is a Cylon, but her struggle. We have this stunningly beautiful, very macho hotshot pilot who actually has a phenomenal internal spirituality that she resists. I'd rather talk about her the whole time, because I think she's just a really great character for young women to look [up to]. You do not divide yourselves, women, into male and female. Get it together. And men, as well! Stop living this divided, dual consciousness and bring your masculine and feminine [sides] together, because it can be extraordinary. That's how I see her.[/color]
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Post by Matthew on Mar 26, 2007 18:03:04 GMT -5
I STILL think that the last cylon is whack-ball-crazy Baltar. Though I wonder how in hell Kara made it to Terra. Vipers don't have FTL like Raptors, Cylon Raiders and Heavy Raiders, etc, do they? So she must have been taken along by Leoben or some other cylon, or some faction of them. So WTF IS going on? Dammit. Nine freaking months. Time to batten the hatches on the speculation and such, as it's just gonna make me crazy-(er). Woohoo! We get a depressing Admiral Cain Abandons Civilians and shoots her XO in the face storyline for the fall! NOT quite the way Dr. Who does it, really...
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Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2007 21:33:16 GMT -5
And now that the season is over, it's safe to share the BSG season three gag reel: Part 1Part 2WARNING! These are most definitely R-rated, and feature a little bit of commentary on our current administration to boot. Consider yourselves warned.
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Post by jeff on Mar 26, 2007 21:58:33 GMT -5
And now that the season is over, it's safe to share the BSG season three gag reel: Part 1Part 2WARNING! These are most definitely R-rated, and feature a little bit of commentary on our current administration to boot. Consider yourselves warned. those were outstanding! I loved them.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 10:49:27 GMT -5
"All Along The Watchtower"? Are they frakking kidding me with this?
So, the real question, then, is...do we believe it? Are those really the five? Or is it some sort of mind game.
'Cause you know, if they are really "it", then there's another half-Cylon baby in the fleet.
Also?
2008?
What the frak? That's NINE months away!
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 10:51:07 GMT -5
So now we've got four people who can hear the music, and Kara still unaccounted for. Which, obviously, makes five if you count her. And yet it almost seems too easy, doesn't it? Hmm... Precisely. Although the song lyrics are worrying. "Let us not talk falsely now; the hour's getting late." Might be the real thing. I'm wondering now if Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan were/are Cylons. You realize that we're probably all human/Cylon hybrids....
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 10:58:38 GMT -5
anyone else worried that Starbuck showing up with a Cylon fleet in tow is a bad thing? That the whole "I have been to earth, I will take us there" thing is *cough, cough, bullshit, cough* Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 11:04:07 GMT -5
I think number 5 is still up for grabs. Yup, I'd have to agree—we still don't know with any certainty who the fifth Cylon was. Unless... Kara said she'd been to Earth and could show the fleet the way, right? What if that's because Earth is where Kara woke up in a new Cylon body? Of course, if Earth is where Kara just came from it implies it'll only take a few weeks for the fleet to reach Earth... Which in and of itself might make for some interesting drama, I suppose... Eh, I really shouldn't be trying to think this early in the morning anyway. I'd say we don't know with absolute certainty who the other four are, either. Odds are good that we've seen them, but...until I see one return from the dead, or get something for confirmation other than their own assertions, I'm not gonna be 100% sure.
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Post by Sara on Mar 29, 2007 11:04:51 GMT -5
"All Along The Watchtower"? Are they frakking kidding me with this? So, the real question, then, is...do we believe it? Are those really the five? Or is it some sort of mind game. 'Cause you know, if they are really "it", then there's another half-Cylon baby in the fleet. Also? 2008? What the frak? That's NINE months away! From the EW interview with Ron Moore: ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, Ron, what was with including Bob Dylan's ''All Along The Watchtower'' in the finale?RONALD MOORE: I had always had this idea of using that particular song in the show as a marker that there were other things going on here. There was this idea developed early in the series, that one of the Colonial scriptures says, ''All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again,'' that certain elements and situations and even people repeat in a cycle of destruction and rebirth and exodus and chase, etc. One of the ideas I wanted to play was, okay, if you found a song that we, the audience, recognize, you realize that you have a connection to this world too, and suddenly other pieces start to fit. Well, why do they wear suits and ties? Why do they look so much like us? What is the connection between them and us? It would put in stark relief the idea that there is a connection between the people on Galatica and our experience on Earth.
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Post by Karen on Mar 29, 2007 11:14:51 GMT -5
anyone else worried that Starbuck showing up with a Cylon fleet in tow is a bad thing? That the whole "I have been to earth, I will take us there" thing is *cough, cough, bullshit, cough* Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. My co-worker, who doesn't talk about this on any boards, is certain that the Cylon's end game is perfection. That's why they are putting so much stress on both the Cylons and the humans. Like coal gets turned into diamond, they are searching /trying to make the perfect being. "But why?" I asked him. And he said because that's what humans do - strive for perfection, and humans made the Cylons....
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 11:17:04 GMT -5
"All Along The Watchtower"? Are they frakking kidding me with this? So, the real question, then, is...do we believe it? Are those really the five? Or is it some sort of mind game. 'Cause you know, if they are really "it", then there's another half-Cylon baby in the fleet. Also? 2008? What the frak? That's NINE months away! From the EW interview with Ron Moore: ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, Ron, what was with including Bob Dylan's ''All Along The Watchtower'' in the finale?RONALD MOORE: I had always had this idea of using that particular song in the show as a marker that there were other things going on here. There was this idea developed early in the series, that one of the Colonial scriptures says, ''All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again,'' that certain elements and situations and even people repeat in a cycle of destruction and rebirth and exodus and chase, etc. One of the ideas I wanted to play was, okay, if you found a song that we, the audience, recognize, you realize that you have a connection to this world too, and suddenly other pieces start to fit. Well, why do they wear suits and ties? Why do they look so much like us? What is the connection between them and us? It would put in stark relief the idea that there is a connection between the people on Galatica and our experience on Earth. Yeah, I pretty much had that part figured out. The old BSG made it clear that the events were concurrent with Earth of today. Nevertheless, that should mean that they'd have been developing in isolation for many milennia, and the customs and fashions and habits would be a bit different. Still, it seems an odd choice. The particular song. New theory, though: the music is from Earth. Contemporary Earth. Like, when they get here, it's gonna be NOW, or not too far from now. Which is an old idea, from the old show - but it could conceivably explain the music and Starbuck still being alive. Plus, until Ron Moore himself confirms for me that those four are Cylons, I'm unconvinced. So if there's an interview out there where he says "those are four of them, yeah", someone point me to the link?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 29, 2007 11:18:55 GMT -5
Actually, I'm completely up in the air about what even constitutes a "bad" thing re: the Cylons now. I mean, if these are truly the final five, then they're deep-cover, whole-life, grew-up-as-human models. And they're still themselves despite being triggered. So far. One wonders now what the real Cylon end game is. My co-worker, who doesn't talk about this on any boards, is certain that the Cylon's end game is perfection. That's why they are putting so much stress on both the Cylons and the humans. Like coal gets turned into diamond, they are searching /trying to make the perfect being. "But why?" I asked him. And he said because that's what humans do - strive for perfection, and humans made the Cylons.... Hmm. Seems to me, then, that their understanding of human nature is deeply flawed. Since most of us become worse people under pressure, not better. Creating a utopian world where there was always enough food, shelter, and whatnot for everyone to live in luxury would possibly work better. Nah. Even then, we'd be trying to take other people's stuff so we could have more....
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