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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:50:05 GMT -5
Let your imagination go. If SMG quits after Season 7, what and who would you like to see in a spinoff? Keep in mind that Emma Caulfield (Anya) has said she will not sign for a Season 8.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:51:08 GMT -5
I want Spike to be in the spinoff. As what, I'm not sure. I'm trying, but can't think why Spike needs to become an official slayer for a spinoff. He already has nearly the strength Buffy has. He heals just as fast. He has an advantage in being even less killable than Buffy, being already dead (e.g., Buffy drowned, he can't). If he were made a slayer somehow, could he be allowed to function in sunlight? That would be his main weakness, but since most of his slaying victims would appear at night this would be a minor problem. The male slayer theory is a nice thought for keeping Spike around, but I think I would prefer his acting as a Watcher for Dawn, if she inherits Buffy's mantle. Dawn is getting a little snarky herself lately, so teaming up with Mr. Snarky himself, Spike, would work. It would be fun watching Xander try to come to terms with Spike. That conflict would carry a spinoff a long way. Now, how would Willow fit in? It would be interesting to watch her powers unfold.
Dawn has slayer blood. I would write her as a SIT also, because of the slayer blood she carries. Blood always has such an important presence on BtVS. How can Dawn be full of slayer blood and not be a SIT? If Faith dies (sorry, Dushku fans), Dawn can be called and a new show is born.
Spike would be a totally different kind of Watcher than Giles was. He has so much experience to draw on and knowledge of the demon world, he'd be a natural. He'd also be out patrolling with Dawn a lot rather than reading musty books. Their adventures could go farther afield than Sunnydale if necessary. And him trying to be a father figure for Dawn would be a comedy element in itself, while he's trying to hide his latest romantic shenanigans from an impressionable teen. Okay, I'd watch that.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:52:57 GMT -5
Spike as a Watcher would be very interesting. Due to the demise of the Council, he could rebuild it however he saw fit. Definitely move the action out of Sunnydale. Sort of a traveling vigilante, policing late night diners and other night spots. Of course he would need his DeSoto to move by day. Watching him drive around and listen to punk rock would be a series in itself.
I'm not sure about Dawn as a slayer. She has grown on me this season( watching her slap Andrew was hysterical!) but she has a ways to go before she could hold my interest every week. I'm hoping one of the SITs is interesting enough to spin off as the slayer.
Either way, a spinoff would be great. Even though I started late, I am very hooked on the residents of Sunnydale. I might even have to start watching Angel. Actually, I might start doing that anyway since its moving to Wednesdays. Are there repeats of the first few seasons running anywhere?
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:53:30 GMT -5
Here in California I only know of: The cable station Fx where Buffy plays Monday thru Friday 6-8 PM (two episodes) and again from 7-9 AM (same two episodes repeated from the previous night). The Warner Bros channel where Buffy plays Saturdays at 9 PM and Sundays at 4 PM. Of course, Buffy plays on UPN for the first run episodes Tuesdays 8 PM. I understand that a Season 6 episode will play on UPN next week. It is called "Normal Again". You can look up the summary on www.buffyworld.com Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:53:58 GMT -5
Spike isn't very good at taking orders, except from Buffy. He'd probably tell any new council who tried to control him to get bent. He'd be more like a rogue watcher. Unless Giles became the head of the new council. I could see a working relationship there. Both the snarking and the alliance would work really well.
I've been in the *No, No, not Dawn!* camp, but if Spike was her watcher I could give it a chance. The high frequency screaming would have to go tho because it sets off my car alarm.
If SMG works out a deal where she does a few eps in Season 8, what form would her relationship to Spike take? Long distance Spuffy? She's off on a Slayage world tour? A meditation retreat in Tibet? Dean of Women at the Little Choosen Ones Slayage Academy? Lost in an alternate dimension?
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:55:01 GMT -5
Even though I'm in Pennsylvania I watch the repeats on a California station on Sunday 8 o'clock our time. Probably the same one. And then Sunday nights our local UPN airs a totally different episode.
I was hoping for Angel repeats so I could catch up. Especially on the crossover episodes. But I guess they are no where to be found unless I buy the DVD.
Thanks for the info!
Maggie M
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:56:30 GMT -5
Rusty asked, "If SMG works out a deal where she does a few eps in Season 8, what form would her relationship to Spike take? Long distance Spuffy? She's off on a Slayage world tour? A meditation retreat in Tibet? Dean of Women at the Little Chosen Ones Slayage Academy? Lost in an alternate dimension?"
Geez, hard question. I think it would be difficult to maintain any long distance Spuffy relationship and have the viewers satisfied. I guess it somewhat depends on what Spike winds up as at the end of this season - vampire with a soul, or human (if he is dusted that takes care of our puzzle.)
Would we Spikettes rather he grew away from Buffy and stood alone as he learned to believe in himself, like his new soul, and let go of loving Buffy? I see the problem as more what do we want from the Spike character, rather than what ever happened to Buffy? Is it okay for him to move on and have a life without her? If he has Dawn, Xander, Willow and maybe an occasional guest starring role for Giles, that might be enough. Buffy is not the prime slayer and she could guest star in a few episodes like Angel did. Buffy managed to carry on after Angel left. Spike can carry on after Buffy leaves. If Buffy knows that Dawn is the slayer, and Spike is her watcher, I think Buffy could release Dawn's protection to him. She has many times in the past.
Is it too late for Spuffy? Can we enjoy Spike finding someone else to love? Can Spike manage to enjoy life without pining for someone or loving someone? Up to now, the Spike character needed someone to love (because he was so needy for love himself). Granted he stayed with one person for a long time and was very loyal to his loves. But the new Spike needs to find who he is before any relantionship will work successfully.
If you prefer, one the the slayers-in-training can become the new slayer and Dawn can go off with Buffy.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:57:53 GMT -5
I think Kennedy could become slayer...Buffy is still around but as she's not slaying she's off doing other things and thus not needed so much. Obv it wouldn't be Kennedy The Vampire Slayer...maybe simply titled 'Sunnydale' this way there's no exit for anyone really...Dawn would be her best friend, Willow her girlfriend and what reason would Xander or Spike have to leave just because someone new has the title...it'd be the same show with a new girl and 10 less episodes with Buffy in them...simple...
OR My buffy spin off, i've just Finished the Season 4 finalé and am 5 episodes into season 5 now, about to introduce a new character...this show featured Dawn (S 1 - 3) and Willow as a guest star (1 - 6) and had appearances by Giles, Dru and Oz. I'm still trying to work Spike into it somewhere but i aint to sure just where yet. If i get a good response i'll post a guide of 6 eps a time.
Lewy Kulshore
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 22:58:52 GMT -5
Lewy said, "OR My buffy spin off, i've just Finished the Season 4 finalé and am 5 episodes into season 5 now, about to introduce a new character...this show featured Dawn (S 1 - 3) and Willow as a guest star (1 - 6) and had appearances by Giles, Dru and Oz. I'm still trying to work Spike into it somewhere but i ain't too sure just where yet. If i get a good response i'll post a guide of 6 eps a time."
I'm interested but confused. Are you starting your spinoff at Season 5, episode 5 "No Place Like Home" where Glory appears? Or is your series totally different from start to finish? Do you have synopses of the episodes for your series?
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:00:54 GMT -5
Certainly I'm liking how Buffy has been treating Spike better overall in S7, although her brutalities from S6 are still sorta fresh in my mind and heart.
Therefore at this point, I would only want for Spike to be HAPPY with SOMEONE he loves; of course right now that person is still Buffy. Ideally I'd hope Spike's love interest would treat him at least as well as he treats her. So far that's never been the case with him.
But - and it took me a long time to learn this myself - for others to really respect and love you, you must first respect and love yourself. Many have been saying this regarding Spike, and I wholeheartedly agree. Under all his bravado lies a hurting and insecure heart. He must turn his wish to be loved inward and love himself.
Buffy treated Spike horribly in S6, but he certainly didn't have to stay and keep taking it (...and I shudder to think what all he put up with from DRU for nearly 100 years - ouch!). He may not have been able to stop loving her, but he sure as hell could've said "Sod this, b*tch!" and left her. Oh, but easier said than done... he is / was the "fool for love", confusing unselfish love with allowing himself to be used as a doormat. Once he gets past that, he can be loved by someone who deserves his love - and if that someone's a grown-up, wiser and kinder Buffy, then so be it.
As far as Spike's role in a spinoff series, I'd like to see him do something in line with an action / scifi / fantasy / horror genre much like BTVS and ATS are, but in a new capacity we've not seen from any of the characters before - something different from the Slayer or Watcher role (or anything resembling a Council of Watchers role), but yet still tied into fighting the forces of evil.
Oh yes - and any Spike spinoff would have to include at least ONE shirtless (or more) scene in every ep! ;-)
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:01:24 GMT -5
Assuming the character continues, Spike definitely needs to find a new love. I would not like to see him pining over Buffy, who shows up one or twice a year for guest shots.
He needs someone as tough and passionate and independent as Buffy, so basically I would want to see them introduce someone new. How about this . . . Dawn is The Slayer. She gets an attractive, tough, smart FEMALE Watcher, who is quite suspicious of Spike and his role in Dawn's life. There is a lot of conflict and sparkage over what’s best for Spike’s Niblet.
Of course, Spike & Ms Watcher eventually end up madly in love and in bed together, and Dawnie has the happy parents she’s always wanted!! Also a bonus would be seeing jealousy from Buffy when she makes guest appearances.
Miss Pamela, on the shirtless thing, I am thinking that Spike could be subjected to some kind of curse early on in the new series. . . he loses his soul if he’s not shirtless at least 16 hours a day . . . something like that.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:02:00 GMT -5
You're all missing something here.
Dawn's now 16. That's how old Buffy was when the show began. That's also how old Buffy was when her relationship with Angel started.
Next year Dawn'll be 17. That's how old Buffy was when the relationship with Angel got, um, consummated.
Spike doesn't age.
Dawn might have started as Spike's "Niblet," but she's growing up. And growing prettier. And smarter. And braver. And snarkier.
Think about it.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:02:55 GMT -5
Already thought about that - a lot. Dawn and Spike would be okay with me on many levels. He already cares about her in a selfless way and is protective of her. She has had a crush on him in the past. They HAVE a past together that is very strong and tested. Spike would get someone who might love the best and worst of him - he wouldn't have to hide any of his past. I can see them being snarky to each other without any real damage to their relationship. Dawn is not actually "normal" either being a beautiful green ball of energy. She won't have to worry about Spike's reaction to her odd past. And Dawnie looked pretty mature in "Him" where she was dancing with the football player. If the viewers bought 241 year old Angel with 17 year old Buffy, I think they would accept a 17 year old Dawn with a much younger vampire (grin).
I think this spinoff would allow the writers a lot of tension with Spike starting as Dawn's Watcher while she slowly realizes she wants more from him. She has to get past Spike's history with her sister. Spike has to get past his history with her sister. Spike would initially resist Dawn's interest as something a teenager goes through. It isn't real. And he doesn't want to fall for someone who only has a crush on him that will fade leaving him alone again. Because once he falls in love, he's in it for the duration. He'd want to avoid any more heartache. A classic older man, younger woman scenario that is always very popular when the man is trying to be noble and resisting the younger woman. Spike would need some kind of job though. Maybe he could own the Magic Box so the two of them could continue working out in the back room. (Here is where we could work in some shirtless Spike. Not sure we could manage 16+ hours a day though...)
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:05:07 GMT -5
Think about it? Oh Diane, do I gotta?
The thought of Spike with Dawn gives me the major, major creeps. Spike may not age, but Marsters does. He’s old enough to be Michelle’s father, and he looks it.
Also, Spike has always had a protective, fatherly view of Dawn - to allow himself a sexual interest would be a gross betrayal of that. Not to mention the betrayal it would be of Buffy’s trust in Spike when it comes to Dawn, and what it would do to Buffy, his former lover, who is much like a mother to Dawn.
I know Angel and Buffy got together despite age concerns, but Buffy’s starry-eyed youthful innocence, and her much, much, much lesser level of romantic experience, bothered me in that relationship as well. To his credit, it often seemed to bother Angel too – not enough to keep him out of her pants, but still, he was aware of the inappropriateness involved.
Angel & Buffy didn’t have as big a “visible” age difference between them. But the biggest difference is that Angel & Buffy didn’t have a pre-established “father/daughter” type relationship, nor had Angel had a torrid affair with Joyce. . .
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Post by Dalton on Jan 9, 2004 23:05:37 GMT -5
Well, speaking just for myself, I don't think that's a point I'm missing as much as it is one I'm *avoiding*. Because of the history between Spike and Dawn, seeing them two function more in a platonic / sibling relationship, I really would have trouble seeing it go beyond that in the near future - even once Dawn turned 17. Sorta like I'd be uneasy seeing Buffy with Giles.
You're absolutely correct, though, about Dawn's age vs. Buffy's age when she fell in love with Angel (16) and then consummated the relationship with him (17). Once Dawn turned 17, she'd be no more in the wrong to have a more intimate relationship with a man / vamp than Buffy was - but I just wouldn't be comfortable seeing her with Spike like that - at least not for maybe another few years. Let her (and him) grow up a "Bit" more first.
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