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Post by Sara on May 30, 2008 8:10:42 GMT -5
A great season finale; though I'm quite peeved about the ending. I think they should have saved Locke's demise for the final season.
I'm squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing about the Desmond/Penny reunion -finally, a happy ending for someone !
Does Desmond know that Penny's father is behind the orders-to-kill expedition?
Who is Kate sleeping with/married to in the most current future?
I personally think that Sawyer and Juliette are going to become an item, at least until Jack and Kate return.
Is Benry still connected to the island? Why is he the island's spokesman to Jack again? And why is the island, through Claire, sending a different message to Kate?
It's kind of sad that after finally getting the recognition he wanted, and followers, Locke is dead just two years later.
I hope that Sun takes down Whidmore, any way she can, to avenge Jin's death.
I liked the way that Michael and Jin worked together, and that Michael urged Jin to leave, to be with his pregnant wife; they have both loved her.
In the end of the series, I have the feeling that Jack will end up leading both factions of the Island; though I think Walt might stay there too - he seems to be very much at loose ends living with Grandma.
G.
I want Juliet and Sawyer to hook up, adopt Vincent, and live together as one big happy fair-haired family. ;D
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Post by Sara on May 30, 2008 8:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Sara on May 30, 2008 8:51:45 GMT -5
Fun Lost fact to know and tell: Aaron as a toddler is portrayed by one of the many kids who played him as a newborn.
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Post by Sara on May 30, 2008 8:59:23 GMT -5
Some interesting facts from the Lostpedia entries for "No Place Like Home": - Each year the producers have a special name for a secret scene in that year's finale. This year's special name turned about to be literal - "Frozen Donkey Wheel", referring to the frozen wheel Ben has to turn to activate the teleportation of the island.
- During the airing of Part 3, a commercial for Octagon Global Recruiting aired. This organization is looking for applicants for the DHARMA Initiative. Their recruitment drive begins in San Diego on July 24th - 27th, 2008. This is the same date as ComicCon '08.
- During her flash-forward dream sequence, Kate receives a garbled phone call. When played backwards, the message states: "The Island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late."
- Membata, the name of the island Oceanic claimed the Six lived on, is Indonesian for "doubt" or "uncertainty".
- A Geronimo Jackson record jacket can be seen near the DJ at Hurley's party.
- As we see the Geronimo Jackson record, a kid, with the number 42 on his jersey comes in and out of frame. Another child has a jersey with the number 23.
- The mirror Ben uses is called a heliograph, or signaling mirror. They were commonly used by military forces in the early half of the 20th century. They are still included in survival kits for emergency signaling to search and rescue aircraft. They typically have directions printed on the non-reflective side.
- At Hurley's surprise birthday party, Sayid is seen sporting a wedding band, implying that he and Nadia have been married by this point.
- What can be seen of Ben's mirror message, interpreted in Morse code, translates to "seise" [1]. The reply was "sii" [2] (although there may have been another letter after the "s" while Locke was raising his binoculars).
- Hurley can be seen holding a bag from Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack while entering his house.
- Tripometers, where the lower four numbers (2342) appeared on Hurley's birthday car, were not standard on the 1970-1972 Camaro, so it seems Hurley's father replaced the original speedometer unit with an aftermarket model when he refurbished the car.
- The logo for the Orchid in Daniel's journal confirms that the Orchid is the logo on Ben's parka in the Sahara.
- On the enhanced version of the episode with new footage that was shown before part 2 it was revealed that Boone, Libby, and Charlie are the other 3 that, in the cover up, died on the island. Coincidentally, these three characters are the only characters that have appeared in prominent visions of other characters after their demise: (Boone appearing to Locke, Libby appearing to Michael and Charlie appearing to Hurley).
- Claire does not appear in this episode. Additionally, this is the first episode to have Aaron appear without his mother.
- The Oceanic 6 were aboard a United States Coast Guard (USCG)[3] Lockheed HC-130[4] search and rescue transport aircraft being flown by two USCG Lieutenants (O-3).
- The Lockheed HC-130 number 1717 was acquired by the USCG under an US Air Force (USAF) aircraft purchase contract addendum in 1986[5].
- The Oceanic 6 landed at Kalaeloa Airport[6], home of the Coast Guard Air Station (CGAS) Barbers Point[7], as indicated by the plane's markings and the distinctive air traffic control tower[8].
- The press conference was most likely held in the CGAS hangars[9].
- Several large sea turtles can be seen on the daytime beach shots.
- Carole Littleton is played by Susan Duerden in this episode. When she first appeared in "Par Avion", she was played by Arlene Newman-Van Asperen. Her part in that episode had no speaking lines.
- This is the only episode of season 4 in which all credited cast members appear.
- This is the second time an episode of Lost features footage filmed outside of the United States. The London scene between Sun and Charles Widmore was filmed in London due to Alan Dale performing on stage in the West End production of Spamalot during filming of the second block of Season 4. The first time was during "The Shape of Things to Come" (the scene between Ben and Widmore was shot in London for the same reason).
- Two alternate endings were also shot with Sawyer and Desmond in the coffin.
- Malcolm David Kelley's first speaking role since "Through the Looking Glass."
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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2008 12:30:27 GMT -5
I'm still living in denial land that he did and he will later wash up on the shore of the island. It's lovely in Egypt. Vincent has retreated to his secret bunker where he will acutally control the move of the Island while allowing his idiot minions Locke and Benry to think they are in charge.
Benry told Jack that the Island wants all of them back - I bet that "all" includes Michael; which would give credence to your theory that Vincent is the One Behind It All - he wants his boy back...
Alas, poor Locke!
G.Oooh, you mean Walt? (Because while I'm still holding out hope against all odds that Jin jumped overboard and survived, I think Michael is definitely dead, what with the being right next to the bomb and Mystical!Island!ChristianorishereallyJacob telling him he was free now/could go now.) That is an excellent point. I mean when Locke said they "all" had to return, how many were involved in that "all"? Like, is Desmond included, even though he was on the Island long before the Losties?
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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2008 12:35:51 GMT -5
A great season finale; though I'm quite peeved about the ending. I think they should have saved Locke's demise for the final season.But now we'll have that whole thing where we know his future (or possible future) and get to watch him march toward it, which is cool in its own right. Very good question! How much of the "we're hired by Whidmore" did he hear on the freighter before it went boom? And I also want to know how much Penny knows about what her father is up to and how involved (or not) she is with it. Is she doing the same thing that Sun is, for example? Well, now that his one-true-love Hurley has left the island, you may be right. All the little moments were so wonderful - Michael's smile when Sun told him about the pregnancy; Michael and Jin sticking it out while Desmond ran out to try and get people to safety; Michael sending Jin out to be with Sun. **sniffles again** [/color][/quote]
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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2008 12:37:48 GMT -5
I loved this. I loved Sawyer - self-sacrificing action hero. I loved Desmond and Penny's romantic reunion. I loved Ben's kickass villainry and reaction to blowing up the boat. I loved Hurley playing chess with Mr. Eko. I loved Locke in the coffin. Awesome finale Lost. Well done. Lots of action, lots of emotion, lots of quiet moments and dramatic moments! And a nice juicy WTF moment, with the Giant Frozen Island-moving Machinery. I'm betting it was built by the Giant Four-toed Island Inhabitants, long looooong ago!
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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2008 12:40:15 GMT -5
A great season finale; though I'm quite peeved about the ending. I think they should have saved Locke's demise for the final season.
I'm squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing about the Desmond/Penny reunion -finally, a happy ending for someone !
Does Desmond know that Penny's father is behind the orders-to-kill expedition?
Who is Kate sleeping with/married to in the most current future?
I personally think that Sawyer and Juliette are going to become an item, at least until Jack and Kate return.
Is Benry still connected to the island? Why is he the island's spokesman to Jack again? And why is the island, through Claire, sending a different message to Kate?
It's kind of sad that after finally getting the recognition he wanted, and followers, Locke is dead just two years later.
I hope that Sun takes down Whidmore, any way she can, to avenge Jin's death.
I liked the way that Michael and Jin worked together, and that Michael urged Jin to leave, to be with his pregnant wife; they have both loved her.
In the end of the series, I have the feeling that Jack will end up leading both factions of the Island; though I think Walt might stay there too - he seems to be very much at loose ends living with Grandma.
G.
I want Juliet and Sawyer to hook up, adopt Vincent, and live together as one big happy fair-haired family. ;D Excellent! I can see both of them, running about the island, always slightly wet and somewhat undressed, hair flopping madly as they romp on the beach, string of tiny tow-headed kiddies dancing after them as Vincent looks on fondly and continues to pull all the Island strings.
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Post by Lola m on May 30, 2008 12:47:32 GMT -5
Sara - once again you are the fabulous fact finder/bringer. So, anyone ready to speculate about the next season yet? We have 2 more seasons, yes? So, I'm thinking that next season we'll split our time between the wacky machinations of the outside world, (Whidmore and Benry and Dharma and Paik and the Losties trying to either gather together or hide, trying to get to or run from the Island), and the IslandJumpers, (finding out what goes so very horribly wrong that sends Locke out to hunt them all down in the future). And then the end of the season the Losties all manage to return and the big dramatic season ender is that they find a giant four-toed Vincent running the Island with an Iron Paw. Then, for the last season, the Island and all the inhabitants leave Earth and have rollicking adventures as space pirates.
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Post by RAKSHA on May 30, 2008 14:38:42 GMT -5
Benry told Jack that the Island wants all of them back - I bet that "all" includes Michael; which would give credence to your theory that Vincent is the One Behind It All - he wants his boy back...
Alas, poor Locke!
G.Oooh, you mean Walt? (Because while I'm still holding out hope against all odds that Jin jumped overboard and survived, I think Michael is definitely dead, what with the being right next to the bomb and Mystical!Island!ChristianorishereallyJacob telling him he was free now/could go now.) That is an excellent point. I mean when Locke said they "all" had to return, how many were involved in that "all"? Like, is Desmond included, even though he was on the Island long before the Losties? Yes; I meant Walt; having a prematurely senior moment, I suppose.
What's intriguing is that, given the fast-forward segments, Locke and the Island appear to be at odds. Didn't Kate or Hurley say that Locke-a.k.a.-Beckham had told them to go back to the Island? Yet, the Claire avatar told Kate specifically to not to go back. And I think a hint of post-exodus trouble was revealed, things haven't gone well for the people on the island...
G.
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Post by RAKSHA on May 30, 2008 14:51:01 GMT -5
I want Juliet and Sawyer to hook up, adopt Vincent, and live together as one big happy fair-haired family. ;D Excellent! I can see both of them, running about the island, always slightly wet and somewhat undressed, hair flopping madly as they romp on the beach, string of tiny tow-headed kiddies dancing after them as Vincent looks on fondly and continues to pull all the Island strings. Heeeee! ;D Works for me! Juliette and Sawyer would have pretty kids; and Sawyer might even loosen her up a bit. Rose and Bernard could be god-parents.
I can definitely see Sawyer becoming leader of the Island-Losties-in-Jack's absence. Maybe, if he wants to put up with the aggravation.
Meanwhile, the Great and Powerful Vincent will be taking care of the island, in between playing 'fetch' with Sawyer's Clan of the Tow-heads.
G.
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Post by Sara on May 30, 2008 22:57:31 GMT -5
Of course, no one will notice that it's not an airline life raft. Well, on the island they're gonna use the story that they were on another island and this raft was blown to them, so I think that will jibe with their little fiction. One, get a really big box. Two, put the Locke in the box. Three, make Jack open the box. And that's the way you do it, put a Locke in a box! Something tells me you'll get a kick out of this avatar by mysticxf:
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 11:25:08 GMT -5
No Place Like Home II Teaser Picking up right from where we left off at the end of last season. And the fugly beard is back. The funeral was for Jeremy Bentham. Who's Jeremy Bentham? Jeremy Bentham visited them and told them to go back. A visitation like Hurley had with Charlie. All the horrible things that happened on the day that they left. I guess we're going to hear about those horrible things tonight. Three years since they got off the island. So it's early 2008. Also, Kate would be breaking parole if she went back. Jack and Sawyer, buddy movie style. They've reached the Orchid. Hurley! Peeing. Hee. And there's Locke. Not going down into the station like Ben told him to. That was weird. Pondering the explosives problem. Desmond did ordinance disposal in the army. So he knows how the explosive works, but not enough to diffuse it. Boom.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 11:36:08 GMT -5
Part I
Back at the Orchid.
Ah, Locke's trying to find a way in. Might have been nice if Ben had shared that piece of information.
Locke wants to speak to Jack but not Sawyer and Hurley. Ugh.
Jack feels similarly to me.
Hurley reveals that Ben and the commandos are on their way to the helicopter.
What makes Ben so important? Excellent question. I'm surprised that Keamy even cares enough to ask it.
About whether Widmore authorized killing Alex. Did Widmore even know about Alex?
Back at the helicopter. Oops, Frank got found out.
Kate! This is the same trick that The Others used to capture Kate and Sayid, isn't it? That means The Others and Sayid and Kate are working together, at least temporarily.
Whispers again.
Firefight. Explosion. Running, running. Kung fu fighting.
Keamy's dead. That means that the freighter's going to blow up, isn't it?
Ah, the arrangement was that Sayid and Kate help free Ben and The Others let them off the island. "let them of the island." Hmm.
So they get off the island by helicopter, not zodiac.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 31, 2008 12:04:19 GMT -5
Part II
Hurley in the mental institution.
Still with food issues, I see.
Are you Hurley? Are you dangerous?
Ah, this is Walt's grandma. And there's Taller Walt. But not a ghost this time.
I like the way grandma did her hair.
Jeremy Bentham visited Walt too.
Lying to protect everyone who didn't come back.
Michael "didn't come back" either.
So Jack and Locke are having a powwow. Meanwhile, the real leaders of the island (Sawyer and Hurley) wait outside.
Hurley shares crackers with Sawyer. Aw. Sawyer doesn't like 15 year old crackers. Hee.
Hurley asks about Claire and the baby.
Locke asks Jack not to leave the island. Is this a break up scene?
Jack and Locke air their grievances. I'm almost completely on Jack's side on this one. Bygones.
Jack's not supposed to go home. Why not? Without a compelling reason to stay, that argument doesn't hold any weight at all.
The fate vs coincidence argument again.
Again, your argument needs a lot more substance, Locke. Crashing on the island may have been a great experience for you, but it sure as hell wasn't for anyone else. You're like a missionary who goes around saying "believe in my god" without explaining the nature of your god or the principles of your faith or what benefit believing might bring to other people.
Locke tells Jack to lie about everything in order to protect the island. If the island is so powerful, why does it need protecting?
Locke really is sincere here.
It's not an island. Then what is it? It's a place where miracles happen. That happens to look like an island. Mmm-hmm.
I think this is All About Locke. If the status quo changes, Locke stands to lose his fantasy land.
No such thing as miracles. Whoa, cynical much? And does Jack even know that Locke was paralyzed before the crash? Might have helped his argument if Locke had, ya know, mentioned that or something.
I feel like Locke should be forced to attend a writing class or a debate class or something, cause his persuasive skills suck.
We'll just have to see who's right. I guess we will then!
Ben's back! The party's just getting started! #dance#
You didn't find the [something, something] did you? I don't know what they look like! Hee!
Now Jack is curious.
No, you didn't *try* to tell Jack, Locke. Sheesh.
Lie to them, Jack. If you lie to them half as well as you lie to yourself, they'll believe you. Ooh! Burn!
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