|
Post by Onjel on Oct 10, 2008 13:52:13 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing: Electors don't technically have to vote in line with the popular vote so would it be so very different? Maybe having a third party (assuming reps from that party can get elected to Congress) wouldn't have a deleterious effect on the process. In all likelihood, unless another party is adequately represented in Congress there would be no effect at all, bringing into play your comment that no other party has ever suceeded, Rachael. I don't know. I'd have to ponder the issue some more. I know! Elect me Dictator for Life on the S'cubie platform and all our problems would be solved. ;D No. Really.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 14:03:08 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing: Electors don't technically have to vote in line with the popular vote so would it be so very different? Maybe having a third party (assuming reps from that party can get elected to Congress) wouldn't have a deleterious effect on the process. In all likelihood, unless another party is adequately represented in Congress there would be no effect at all, bringing into play your comment that no other party has ever suceeded, Rachael. I don't know. I'd have to ponder the issue some more. I know! Elect me Dictator for Life on the S'cubie platform and all our problems would be solved. ;D No. Really. I, for one, would welcome you as Our New S'cubie Overlord. ;D
|
|
|
Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 10, 2008 15:31:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 10, 2008 16:42:23 GMT -5
And then there's this: NY election mix-up: 'Osama' on the ballot. In an upstate New York county, hundreds of voters have been sent absentee ballots in which they could vote for "Barack Osama." The election commissioners said it was a typo, human error. The elections office faxed a statement in which the two commissioners, Democrat Edward McDonough and Republican Larry Bugbee, said they regret the error but never acknowledge what the error was.
"It's human error, it's very unfortunate, it's an embarrassment to our office, obviously," McDonough said in a later phone interview. "We wish we could turn back the clock, but we can't."*Looks at the keyboard, and the distance between the two letters* I got two letters for them: B. and S. Anne, and in that order
|
|
|
Post by Vlad on Oct 10, 2008 17:45:29 GMT -5
I doubt (at least I hope) that this kid hasn't "ruined his life" but it sure will take a BIG detour that neither he or his parents expected. How utterly stoopid. What did he think? That hacking someone's email was like reading their diary? Hey, kid: would you think it was legal to take something out of someone's snailmailbox and open it and read it? Huge, huge federal offense. The kid who hacked Palin's email: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_el_pr/palin_hackedI feel a tiny bit sorry for him, but, uh, NO, we really can't have that kind of behavior go unpunished. And not just a slap on the wrist. It really, really stretches the definition of "hacked" though: he guessed her password. The whole situation is full of foolishness, starting with Palin using Yahoo Mail, one of the least secure webmail services, for official communications, and ending with the dimwit who did it posting about it on 4chan. Julia, humans find new ways to disappoint me every day. Hacked is hacked. The point is, there was a password. Palin had the reasonable expectation that her messages were locked form outside scrutiny. If I put a 1 dollar lock on my door, one that with a good yank would break and fall open, the mere presence of that lock says "You do not come in here without a key or combination." The police could not enter my house without a warrant (or in case of emergency) because my door was secured. A person that yanked on that lock and entered is breaking and entering. Even if the would-be thief finds the key I hid under a rock at the corner of the house, it's still unlawful entry. Vlad
|
|
|
Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 10, 2008 17:51:08 GMT -5
It really, really stretches the definition of "hacked" though: he guessed her password. The whole situation is full of foolishness, starting with Palin using Yahoo Mail, one of the least secure webmail services, for official communications, and ending with the dimwit who did it posting about it on 4chan. Julia, humans find new ways to disappoint me every day. Hacked is hacked. The point is, there was a password. Palin had the reasonable expectation that her messages were locked form outside scrutiny. If I put a 1 dollar lock on my door, one that with a good yank would break and fall open, the mere presence of that lock says "You do not come in here without a key or combination." The police could not enter my house without a warrant (or in case of emergency) because my door was secured. A person that yanked on that lock and entered is breaking and entering. Even if the would-be thief finds the key I hid under a rock at the corner of the house, it's still unlawful entry. Vlad Which is all well and good from an ethical point of view, but what I have tried, repeatedly, to emphasize, is that the dimwit who did this did not use elite hacker powers, and, more importantly, email does not enjoy the same level of legal protection as physical mail, and until it does we all need to keep that in mind when chosing email services, passwords, and the information we put in our communications.
|
|
|
Post by Vlad on Oct 10, 2008 17:55:05 GMT -5
So...it may sound insane, but I'm actually starting to research stock market investing...assuming we don't completely go down in flames, soon will be the time to buy. Not yet. I think we still have a ways to go. But possibly the week before the general election, I might drop a small amount on the market and see what happens. 8300. That's the number Cramer predicts. I'm going to up the percentage of my 401K when we get close, and also put the balance in cash..CD market for now, to hedge my bets. Gas prices in Omaha are as low as $2.86/gallon. Instead of having to spend $120 to drive out here and back, it's only going to set us back $80. Funny how this seems to happen around election time. Now all we need is a major terrorist attack before the election, and both of my conspiracy theories will have come true by the end of the year. Gah...watching Cspan this morning...they really need to change the color of McCain's makeup. It looks like he has a liver problem...very yellow cast. Gas prices in Wichita are $2.75. And don't worry... mark my words.. 2 weeks before the election there will be a "profound" development in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Bin Ladin will be "found" or will "issue" a new tape, or we will see a huge surprise attack that absolutely callls for us to maintain our presence. We've seen it all the time. And the scary thing: the majority of the public seems to fall for it every time. Vlad
|
|
|
Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 17:56:54 GMT -5
YEAH THAT! Lovely. Doesn't help my seriously conservative Christian friends who are between a huge rock and extremely hard place. Whether you can ever see their point or not, if you start with one of your basic axioms that every abortion is murder (I"m not asking you to agree, I'm saying I know intelligent, lovely, not hateful or small-minded, thoughtful people who hold this as a basic tenet of life) then Obama is an awfully tough pill to swallow. Many of them could probably find their way around the gay marriage stuff, and it's not like they really like McCain or believe any of the crap he's pushing about Obama, but it really does come down to endorsing (in their minds) a vile, heinous, many million (?) times, act. WFBjr doesn't have the mountain to jump over. [Don't really want to get into a debate over abortion or abortion rights. Just saying that there are people who seriously don't want to vote for McCain but can NOT bring themselves to vote for Obama. I don't envy them. I'm doing everything I can to convince them that they need to balance a whole ton of other stuff against the abortion thing. But I respect those (of my personal aquaintance) who just can't get past it.]
|
|
|
Post by Vlad on Oct 10, 2008 17:57:43 GMT -5
I agree about the gas prices, but the sinking economy..I believe..has also been engineered. Right there with ya. Been saying that for a while now. I predicted it would happen. And it did. Right on schedule. I have often wondered if this had been Happening before the majority of hte primaries, how well Ron Paul would have fared on the republican side. I would suspect he might have made several 2nd place showings. Vlad
|
|
|
Post by Vlad on Oct 10, 2008 18:18:34 GMT -5
Hacked is hacked. The point is, there was a password. Palin had the reasonable expectation that her messages were locked form outside scrutiny. If I put a 1 dollar lock on my door, one that with a good yank would break and fall open, the mere presence of that lock says "You do not come in here without a key or combination." The police could not enter my house without a warrant (or in case of emergency) because my door was secured. A person that yanked on that lock and entered is breaking and entering. Even if the would-be thief finds the key I hid under a rock at the corner of the house, it's still unlawful entry. Vlad Which is all well and good from an ethical point of view, but what I have tried, reperatedly, to emphasize, is that the dimwit who did this did not use elite hacker powers, and, more importantly, email does not enjoy the same level of legal protection as physical mail, and until it does we all need to keep that in mind when chosing email services, passwords, and the information we put in our communications. I don't disagree with you; I was simply talking from a standpoint of : Guy bypassed a security system to get at data that was not his own. As far as "elite" hacker powers go... what he did was very hacker-ish: he found the weak point in the system and found a way to bypass/trick it to achieve his purposes. But I completely agree with you: she was an idiot to trust something as piddly as a web-based email for anything "important." And it is yet another glowing example of the many reasons it would be terrifying to have this person a heartbeat away from the Presidency. But then, I forget we had a President that actually thought it would be a good thing to bug his own office and have that be fairly common knowledge. Vlad
|
|
|
Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 19:47:09 GMT -5
abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6004368&page=1Alaska legislature finds that Palin exercised "unlawful abuse of power" in firing Walt Monegan Oh, and, of course that finding immediately also leads to the conclusion that she lied about it. Who IS Sarah Palin? (Yeah, that was petty of me.)
|
|
|
Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 19:52:32 GMT -5
Reaping what you sow, but I think it's a pretty amazing piece of video: McCain defending Obama, video is embedded. www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.htmlHere is some of the text: John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." McCain was responding to a town hall attendee who claimed he was concerned about raising a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers." Despite the fact that McCain and his campaign have repeatedly used Ayers to hammer Obama in recent days, the Arizona Senator tried to calm the man. "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running." The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball. "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab." "No, ma'am," McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. "He's a decent, family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
At another point, McCain declared, "If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." Supporters booed then also. "I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," McCain responded. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
|
|
|
Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 19:56:15 GMT -5
And, finally, I can't yet find video, but I"m guessing Huffington will have it up soon. Chris Matthews pushed and pushed (in the way only CM can do) on Hardball at Pat Buchanan about what exactly Mc/Pa was really saying by constantly using the word terrorist, etc until Pat finally blurted out "Because he's not one of us!"
Ouch.
|
|
|
Post by SpringSummers on Oct 10, 2008 20:19:28 GMT -5
Reaping what you sow, but I think it's a pretty amazing piece of video: McCain defending Obama, video is embedded. www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.htmlHere is some of the text: John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." McCain was responding to a town hall attendee who claimed he was concerned about raising a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers." Despite the fact that McCain and his campaign have repeatedly used Ayers to hammer Obama in recent days, the Arizona Senator tried to calm the man. "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running." The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball. "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab." "No, ma'am," McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. "He's a decent, family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
At another point, McCain declared, "If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." Supporters booed then also. "I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," McCain responded. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
McCain's boxed himself into a corner here . . . he's allowed his campaign to stoop lower than he's really got the stomach for, and now he's got to deal.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 20:38:26 GMT -5
8300. That's the number Cramer predicts. I'm going to up the percentage of my 401K when we get close, and also put the balance in cash..CD market for now, to hedge my bets. Gas prices in Omaha are as low as $2.86/gallon. Instead of having to spend $120 to drive out here and back, it's only going to set us back $80. Funny how this seems to happen around election time. Now all we need is a major terrorist attack before the election, and both of my conspiracy theories will have come true by the end of the year. Gah...watching Cspan this morning...they really need to change the color of McCain's makeup. It looks like he has a liver problem...very yellow cast. Gas prices in Wichita are $2.75. And don't worry... mark my words.. 2 weeks before the election there will be a "profound" development in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Bin Ladin will be "found" or will "issue" a new tape, or we will see a huge surprise attack that absolutely callls for us to maintain our presence. We've seen it all the time. And the scary thing: the majority of the public seems to fall for it every time. Vlad Gas prices dropped here 10 cents yesterday and 10 cents today. 3.63 is the lowest I saw it tonight. I think it must be because the pipeline opened up again. Although the time is a little suspicious. And yeah, *sigh*, I've been worried about that too.
|
|