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Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 20:57:07 GMT -5
I should watch more NPT.
George Soros for Economic Czar.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 21:17:11 GMT -5
On the subject of fluctuating gas prices, I've heard about this movie called Gashole which argues that the fluctuating gas prices are very deliberately manipulated by the government-corporation complex. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm very interested to hear their argument, because it's very thought provoking.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 21:38:54 GMT -5
I should watch more NPT. George Soros for Economic Czar. NPT?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 10, 2008 21:52:11 GMT -5
Reaping what you sow, but I think it's a pretty amazing piece of video: McCain defending Obama, video is embedded. www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.htmlHere is some of the text: John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." McCain was responding to a town hall attendee who claimed he was concerned about raising a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers." Despite the fact that McCain and his campaign have repeatedly used Ayers to hammer Obama in recent days, the Arizona Senator tried to calm the man. "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running." The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball. "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab." "No, ma'am," McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. "He's a decent, family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
At another point, McCain declared, "If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." Supporters booed then also. "I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," McCain responded. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
The campaign is also speaking out of both sides of its face (again): So...defending the bigots and blaming it on Barack Obama, eh? Classy.
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Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 22:16:39 GMT -5
I should watch more NPT. George Soros for Economic Czar. NPT? National Public Television. You know, like NPR, except with pictures. ;D Bill Moyers' Journal, to be specific. It looks like it will repeat later tonight and again on Saturday and Sunday. George Soros was the first guest and did a fascinating analysis of the economic situation. Then he was followed by a woman who has written a book about "Dirty Politics" who had some extremely interestings things to say. And there was no shouting.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 22:20:25 GMT -5
Tonight, I attended a viewing of The End of Suburbia, which is about Peak Oil and suburban sprawl at the library and afterward we had a discussion about it. The whole thing was very enlightening. I remember in college (back in 2000) learning that the world had about 50 years of oil left but I didn't learn until last year about the concept of peak oil (and in hindsight, I can't believe that I didn't put it together myself ). This film was made in 2004 and talked about projections of oil peaking within 5 years, and what the effects they describe sound an awful lot like the economic crisis we're experiencing right now. I don't mean to add to all the doom and gloom, but I thought it was important to spread the word in order to help people prepare for it whether it's actually happening now, or will happen next year, or 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Luckily, a lot of the preparations for Peak Oil are also "green" lifestyle changes and I think most of us here are ahead of the curve on that. However, the reality of Peak Oil does require a shift in expectations we might have about our own future and the future of the world we live in which can be rather sobering. At the very least, I want to encourage everyone to at least educate themselves about what effects Peak Oil will have and what preparations should be made just so you won't be surprised by will happen. There is tons of information available on the web, so you can just google Peak Oil and take it from there, but Post Peak Living is a good place to start.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 22:20:59 GMT -5
National Public Television. You know, like NPR, except with pictures. ;D Ah.
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Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 22:22:23 GMT -5
National Public Television. You know, like NPR, except with pictures. ;D Bill Moyers' Journal, to be specific. It looks like it will repeat later tonight and again on Saturday and Sunday. George Soros was the first guest and did a fascinating analysis of the economic situation. Then he was followed by a woman who has written a book about "Dirty Politics" who had some extremely interestings things to say. And there was no shouting. Liz, I added some info.
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Post by Sue on Oct 10, 2008 22:23:27 GMT -5
Tonight, I attended a viewing of The End of Suburbia, which is about Peak Oil and suburban sprawl at the library and afterward we had a discussion about it. The whole thing was very enlightening. I remember in college (back in 2000) learning that the world had about 50 years of oil left but I didn't learn until last year about the concept of peak oil (and in hindsight, I can't believe that I didn't put it together myself #duh ). This film was made in 2004 and talked about projections of oil peaking within 5 years, and what the effects they describe sound an awful lot like the economic crisis we're experiencing right now. I don't mean to add to all the doom and gloom, but I thought it was important to spread the word in order to help people prepare for it whether it's actually happening now, or will happen next year, or 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Luckily, a lot of the preparations for Peak Oil are also "green" lifestyle changes and I think most of us here are ahead of the curve on that. However, the reality of Peak Oil does require a shift in expectations we might have about our own future and the future of the world we live in which can be rather sobering. At the very least, I want to encourage everyone to at least educate themselves about what effects Peak Oil will have and what preparations should be made just so you won't be surprised by will happen. There is tons of information available on the web, so you can just google Peak Oil and take it from there, but Post Peak Living is a good place to start. Mr. Soros was making some similar points about necessary changes in lifestyle.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 10, 2008 22:41:55 GMT -5
Tonight, I attended a viewing of The End of Suburbia, which is about Peak Oil and suburban sprawl at the library and afterward we had a discussion about it. The whole thing was very enlightening. I remember in college (back in 2000) learning that the world had about 50 years of oil left but I didn't learn until last year about the concept of peak oil (and in hindsight, I can't believe that I didn't put it together myself #duh ). This film was made in 2004 and talked about projections of oil peaking within 5 years, and what the effects they describe sound an awful lot like the economic crisis we're experiencing right now. I don't mean to add to all the doom and gloom, but I thought it was important to spread the word in order to help people prepare for it whether it's actually happening now, or will happen next year, or 5 years from now or 10 years from now. Luckily, a lot of the preparations for Peak Oil are also "green" lifestyle changes and I think most of us here are ahead of the curve on that. However, the reality of Peak Oil does require a shift in expectations we might have about our own future and the future of the world we live in which can be rather sobering. At the very least, I want to encourage everyone to at least educate themselves about what effects Peak Oil will have and what preparations should be made just so you won't be surprised by will happen. There is tons of information available on the web, so you can just google Peak Oil and take it from there, but Post Peak Living is a good place to start. Mr. Soros was making some similar points about necessary changes in lifestyle. How about that. I don't have a tv anymore, so I won't be watching NPT the normal way. However, I was impressed by Bill Moyer's interview of Rev Wright. If he's worth watching regularly, I can try making an effort to do so somehow. ETA: Oh, OK. It looks like Bill Moyer's interviews are available on his website. I'll try to listen to the one with George Soros tomorrow.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 11, 2008 9:37:53 GMT -5
abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6004368&page=1Alaska legislature finds that Palin exercised "unlawful abuse of power" in firing Walt Monegan Oh, and, of course that finding immediately also leads to the conclusion that she lied about it. Who IS Sarah Palin? (Yeah, that was petty of me.) Um, yeah... Also, standard strategy to accuse your opponent before they have a chance to accuse you. A lot of Palin's attacks could easily apply to herself.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 11, 2008 9:56:46 GMT -5
Reaping what you sow, but I think it's a pretty amazing piece of video: McCain defending Obama, video is embedded. www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/mccain-defends-his-rabid_n_133710.htmlHere is some of the text: John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." McCain was responding to a town hall attendee who claimed he was concerned about raising a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers." Despite the fact that McCain and his campaign have repeatedly used Ayers to hammer Obama in recent days, the Arizona Senator tried to calm the man. "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running." The crowd groaned with disapproval. Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball. "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab." "No, ma'am," McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. "He's a decent, family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
At another point, McCain declared, "If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." Supporters booed then also. "I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," McCain responded. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
Well, at least he's saying something. On the other hand, he made his bed and now he has to lay it in it. And this does nothing to change the perception that his campaign lacks serious focus.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 11, 2008 18:07:38 GMT -5
Anti Proposition 8 ad which should damned well be shown everywhere just because. Julia, warning: long bit of the New Testement included, but one anyone who's been to a wedding knows
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Post by Sue on Oct 11, 2008 22:20:42 GMT -5
Carolyn has been an Obama supporter pretty much all along, but she did go through quite a period of "I don't really like either one." But now she's gotten sucked into the campaign, has been to a fund-raiser and today spent the day in Lake County, Indiana taking folks to early vote (see article linked for the early voting hassles in Lake County.) [She's also been given a TON of grief from her conservative Catholic friends. I'm always stunned to find that there are women graduating from Princeton University who are using the rhythm method of birth control. Really boggles the mind. I guess I should give them props for being broad-minded enough to remain friends with Carolyn, who votes for "baby-killers". (their attitude)] Anyway, the women she worked with has been with the campaign for a while and raised quite a bit of money so received 2 tickets to the party at Campaign Headquarters on election day. Her boyfriend doesn't want to come so she offered the 2nd ticket to Carolyn. Carolyn says "gee, do you think I should skip my Econ class to be at Obama Chicago HeadQ when he wins the election?" ;D We're not clear on whether he would actually come down to HQ (remember she lives in Hyde Park) or whether there is a more rarified, discerning gathering in some hotel ballroom somewhere. Still..... Also, this woman has promised to pass Carolyn's resume along to Michelle O. Now, whether that means diddly, and how many other resumes from campaign workers (he's got thousands and thousands who have worked much harder than C has) there are. Still, she does have both the Princeton and U of C connections....... Well, fun to dream about. One of the people they canvased today said that she really likes Obama but happens to do a lot of business in AK and once upon a time sat and talked with SP while she was mayor of Wasilla and "how often do you get to vote for someone you've actually sat and talked with." urp. Carolyn's email: here's the deal with lake county: ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5je7iUUHdLEdyp0t_i8TCg78JpoJwD93MH9200www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-tippecanoe-county-indiana.htmlfurthermore, i went to a talk at harris by obama's campaign COO last week. he said when in doubt, watch how the candidates run their campaigns. made the case that obama leads neatly from the inside, and when necessary, from above. but is adept and humble as a leader on the inside. and has been both on the ground and above from day 1 and has said they will stick to the same message and same principles throughout the entire campaign. if barack obama can organize hundreds of field offices to get himself elected, i think he can organize the nation. at this point either man is going to have a tough time no matter what his policies are. even if i'd started off a mccain supporter, i think i might consider switching to obama just because i think he'll be so much more effective, even if i didn't agree with him. www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/us/politics/12ground.html?emunfortunately the more i work for him to get elected, the more i want him to get elected.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 12, 2008 19:35:19 GMT -5
Mr. Soros was making some similar points about necessary changes in lifestyle. How about that. I don't have a tv anymore, so I won't be watching NPT the normal way. However, I was impressed by Bill Moyer's interview of Rev Wright. If he's worth watching regularly, I can try making an effort to do so somehow. ETA: Oh, OK. It looks like Bill Moyer's interviews are available on his website. I'll try to listen to the one with George Soros tomorrow. I finally listened to it. Fascinating discussion. Soros is very astute. What he said about the end of consumerism and the need to invest in improving infrastructure and renewable energies and such, that's what you were referring to, Sue, right? One of the things that stuck out most is that no one in government really understands what's going on so their being reactive rather than proactive. I've been peeved in general about the attitude of the Bush Administration about this who was all "Oh no, there's no problem, no problem at all," and then "we need to do something right now, don't think, just do it," so it's interesting that Soros suggests that they should have acted earlier. The economic crisis makes me think about the description of what caused the Apollo 13 accident. A whole bunch of little problems and each one by themselves had no effect and weren't worries about, but all together one thing led to another causing an explosion. I think it's the forgetting of all the intricate connections in life that gets us into trouble every time.
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