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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 19, 2008 15:45:43 GMT -5
Rachael, that picture: Guh.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 19, 2008 15:50:37 GMT -5
Rachael, that picture: Guh. I know. I really didn't want to get on the "P-E is a hottie" bandwagon, but...he so is.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Nov 19, 2008 19:40:32 GMT -5
Rachael, that picture: Guh. I know. I really didn't want to get on the "P-E is a hottie" bandwagon, but...he so is. I see no picture? Also, Mark Begich, new senator from Alaska, is the son of the man who Hale Boggs was campaigning for when the plane they were both in disappeared in 1972. Julia, Begich the elder won, but then was inconveniently dead already or at least has never been found.
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Post by Sue on Nov 19, 2008 19:58:34 GMT -5
Rachael, that picture: Guh. I know. I really didn't want to get on the "P-E is a hottie" bandwagon, but...he so is. Will Smith must be salivating. (MMP of the "Life Of B.O", anyone?)
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Post by Sue on Nov 19, 2008 19:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Nov 19, 2008 20:30:53 GMT -5
The line-up for presidential pardons is getting long. Julia, eek.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 19, 2008 21:09:12 GMT -5
Julia, are you still not able to see the pic...and have you dumped your history and cache to see if that helps?
No biggie, it's just a very nice picture.
If you're into handsome nerdy guys.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 19, 2008 21:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 19, 2008 21:28:18 GMT -5
The line-up for presidential pardons is getting long. Julia, eek. Oh, yeah. That.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Nov 19, 2008 21:40:49 GMT -5
Julia, are you still not able to see the pic...and have you dumped your history and cache to see if that helps? No biggie, it's just a very nice picture. If you're into handsome nerdy guys. Haven't seen that one before, at least with the caption: cool. Julia, Franklin did a security upgrade this week and things are weird.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 20, 2008 12:41:12 GMT -5
On Liberalism:
Lifted this from a blog:
Joe gets up at a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water for coffee. The water is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow, he takes his daily pills, which are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, although he is not in the union.
He cooks breakfast- bacon and eggs - safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry and the Democratic Congress - led by a woman - prevented the FDA from caving in to the meat industry.
After his shower - with properly labeled soap and shampoo, thanks to the FDA - Joe walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to a subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some Prius-loving liberal fought for affordable public transportation.
Joe has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because socialist lazy liberal union members fought and died for them.
At noon, Joe makes a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has a below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the nation would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime...helped by his degree at a state funded university.
Joe visits his dad at his boyhood home - driving there on a state-funded highway. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.
The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
Joe's father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, brie-eating, French-speaking liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
On his ride home he listens to Rush complaining that liberals are ruining the country and only conservatives are moral and know what they are doing. Rush doesn't mention that the Republicans have fought aga inst every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. And Joe doesn't think about it - he is too busy being a proud dittohead who agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
So.......
Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act.
What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor.
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Post by Sue on Nov 20, 2008 14:37:32 GMT -5
On Liberalism: Lifted this from a blog: Joe gets up at a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water for coffee. The water is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow, he takes his daily pills, which are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, although he is not in the union. He cooks breakfast- bacon and eggs - safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry and the Democratic Congress - led by a woman - prevented the FDA from caving in to the meat industry. After his shower - with properly labeled soap and shampoo, thanks to the FDA - Joe walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to a subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some Prius-loving liberal fought for affordable public transportation. Joe has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because socialist lazy liberal union members fought and died for them. At noon, Joe makes a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has a below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the nation would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime...helped by his degree at a state funded university. Joe visits his dad at his boyhood home - driving there on a state-funded highway. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. Joe's father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, brie-eating, French-speaking liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. On his ride home he listens to Rush complaining that liberals are ruining the country and only conservatives are moral and know what they are doing. Rush doesn't mention that the Republicans have fought aga inst every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. And Joe doesn't think about it - he is too busy being a proud dittohead who agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." So....... Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor. And yet, I think the balance of a 2 party system is still a good thing. If we only had liberals and liberal-ers who knows what the world might be like. I'm a big fan of checks and balances and moderation in most areas of life. But I take your point. It sucks to be vilified for actions that have ultimately benefitted everyone.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 20, 2008 14:40:52 GMT -5
On Liberalism: Lifted this from a blog: Joe gets up at a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water for coffee. The water is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow, he takes his daily pills, which are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, although he is not in the union. He cooks breakfast- bacon and eggs - safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry and the Democratic Congress - led by a woman - prevented the FDA from caving in to the meat industry. After his shower - with properly labeled soap and shampoo, thanks to the FDA - Joe walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to a subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some Prius-loving liberal fought for affordable public transportation. Joe has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because socialist lazy liberal union members fought and died for them. At noon, Joe makes a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has a below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the nation would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime...helped by his degree at a state funded university. Joe visits his dad at his boyhood home - driving there on a state-funded highway. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. Joe's father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, brie-eating, French-speaking liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. On his ride home he listens to Rush complaining that liberals are ruining the country and only conservatives are moral and know what they are doing. Rush doesn't mention that the Republicans have fought aga inst every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. And Joe doesn't think about it - he is too busy being a proud dittohead who agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." So....... Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor. And yet, I think the balance of a 2 party system is still a good thing. If we only had liberals and liberal-ers who knows what the world might be like. I'm a big fan of checks and balances and moderation in most areas of life. But I take your point. It sucks to be vilified for actions that have ultimately benefitted everyone. *Nods*
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Post by Rachael on Nov 20, 2008 14:50:01 GMT -5
On Liberalism: Lifted this from a blog: Joe gets up at a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water for coffee. The water is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow, he takes his daily pills, which are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, although he is not in the union. He cooks breakfast- bacon and eggs - safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry and the Democratic Congress - led by a woman - prevented the FDA from caving in to the meat industry. After his shower - with properly labeled soap and shampoo, thanks to the FDA - Joe walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to a subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some Prius-loving liberal fought for affordable public transportation. Joe has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because socialist lazy liberal union members fought and died for them. At noon, Joe makes a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has a below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the nation would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime...helped by his degree at a state funded university. Joe visits his dad at his boyhood home - driving there on a state-funded highway. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. Joe's father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, brie-eating, French-speaking liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. On his ride home he listens to Rush complaining that liberals are ruining the country and only conservatives are moral and know what they are doing. Rush doesn't mention that the Republicans have fought aga inst every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. And Joe doesn't think about it - he is too busy being a proud dittohead who agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." So....... Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor. And yet, I think the balance of a 2 party system is still a good thing. If we only had liberals and liberal-ers who knows what the world might be like. I'm a big fan of checks and balances and moderation in most areas of life. But I take your point. It sucks to be vilified for actions that have ultimately benefitted everyone. Mostly, it speaks to my frustration with "liberal" being a dirty word, somehow. I have respect for conservativism, of the "government out of my life" type...but somehow liberalism gets equated with being "immoral" and "irresponsible".
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 20, 2008 16:04:13 GMT -5
On Liberalism: Lifted this from a blog: Joe gets up at a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water for coffee. The water is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow, he takes his daily pills, which are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, although he is not in the union. He cooks breakfast- bacon and eggs - safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry and the Democratic Congress - led by a woman - prevented the FDA from caving in to the meat industry. After his shower - with properly labeled soap and shampoo, thanks to the FDA - Joe walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to a subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some Prius-loving liberal fought for affordable public transportation. Joe has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because socialist lazy liberal union members fought and died for them. At noon, Joe makes a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has a below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the nation would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime...helped by his degree at a state funded university. Joe visits his dad at his boyhood home - driving there on a state-funded highway. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. Joe's father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, brie-eating, French-speaking liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. On his ride home he listens to Rush complaining that liberals are ruining the country and only conservatives are moral and know what they are doing. Rush doesn't mention that the Republicans have fought aga inst every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. And Joe doesn't think about it - he is too busy being a proud dittohead who agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." So....... Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor. And yet, I think the balance of a 2 party system is still a good thing. If we only had liberals and liberal-ers who knows what the world might be like. I'm a big fan of checks and balances and moderation in most areas of life. But I take your point. It sucks to be vilified for actions that have ultimately benefitted everyone. Agree. I believe the same sort of essay could be written to flatter conservatives instead of liberals. It's the whole "by the people, for the people" thing that makes it work.
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