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Post by Queen E on Jan 1, 2010 16:46:36 GMT -5
Now I'm really sad...
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Post by spacecat1974 on Jan 2, 2010 1:41:56 GMT -5
One word summation:
Whoa!
I think I'm going to like the new Doctor. In response to the Tardis crashing his response is to yell "Geronimo!". I also loved his reaction when he felt his hair and said "I'm a girl?!?!?!". And Mickey marrying Martha was a nice touch as well.
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Post by Matthew on Jan 2, 2010 3:23:04 GMT -5
Sooooo....
Was that:
The Doctor's Mother
Susan
Romana
Leela
Ace
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Those are the theories I've heard or come up with.
Thoughts?
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Post by spacecat1974 on Jan 2, 2010 4:53:09 GMT -5
I'm going to have to re-watch but for some reason my gut reaction is that it was Donna, though according to the article on wikipedia the actress playing her sort of obliquely referred to the character as the Doctor's mother. When Wilfred asks him point blank he stares at Donna and doesn't say a word.
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Post by Karen on Jan 2, 2010 20:47:26 GMT -5
"just wheel him!" Heeee!! "worst rescue ever!"  |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Jan 2, 2010 22:07:05 GMT -5
Sooooo.... Was that: The Doctor's Mother Susan Romana Leela Ace ? Those are the theories I've heard or come up with. Thoughts? I think RTD needs a clue on what threads to tie up in a story. I'm not convinced he decided. If it's the Doctor's mother then either the TV movie is wrong or there's a way to make a human into a Time Lord. Since she'd have to be nearly a thousand by now. Or just make her immortal. Ditto for Leela or Ace, it has been hundreds of Doctor-and-Gallifrey years. Er, except the Doctor can't keep his own age straight, so who knows? Romana has her own universe to look after, so the audio canon that she came back and ruled Gallifrey never quite made sense to me. But if she did, how did Rassilon get to be in charge? Audio also just gave us a new adventure where the 8th Doctor goes back to see Susan  But she's the only Gallifreyan on your list in the right universe so in her personal future she could end up back there. If it is Susan she doesn't half get some tough deals. It will be whoever the next writer decides is a good idea. |
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Post by Karen on Jan 2, 2010 22:11:12 GMT -5
Loved it. The Doctor visiting characters and moments was very reminiscent of the last moments of the characters in the last ep of Angel. The new doctor is so .... exuberant! Should be fun. Going to miss DT, tho.  I have no idea who the mystery woman is.  I really need to watch the previous season and the Torchwood series, too. Watching Demons now mainly to see sneak peeks of the new season of Doctor Who. |
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Post by artemis on Jan 2, 2010 22:40:20 GMT -5
I teared up during the wedding scene. I can't imagine what it would be like to know your best friend is still out there, living their life, and yet not be able to ever speak to them again - to only ever see them from a distance.
I too don't really think the writers decided who the mystery woman was.
I must have forgotten what happened to Martha's last fiance, because the Martha/Mickey scene confused me - I was thinking she was still engaged to the other guy (Josh?).
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Post by spacecat1974 on Jan 2, 2010 23:02:01 GMT -5
Ahem. The whole reason that Donna was unaffected by the device is that she is, at least part, a Time Lord. So, it is not outside the realm of possibility.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 3, 2010 1:27:52 GMT -5
Hmph.
Not entirely satisfied. I was pleased with the way The Master (sort of) joined forces with The Doctor at the end. That was nice, and also in character for him.
Not entirely happy with the Master retcon - I think I liked him better when he was just evil.
Not happy at all with the "resolution" of the Time War storyline. Quite a tease, to bring the Time Lords back just to send them away again. It just didn't feel creative to me - more like, "Hey, I know what'll get their attention - let's get James Bond to play Rassilon."
Though I do believe the Time Lords could become an amoral race, out for only their own survival - there's plenty of canon about their speckly history, before they decided that ruling the universe by not ruling the universe was the way to go. But how DID Rassilon come to be Lord President again? Hasn't he been dead for ages, or did I forget some canon where they brought HIM back, too?
And now The Master is trapped in the Time War bubble, too? Eh, he'll be back.
I wanted more with Donna. I'm still pissed off about what they did to her.
And, finally, 1/3 of the episode was "end". Too Lord of the Rings for my taste. I would have preferred more plot and less goodbye. Not that I don't appreciate watching DT emote for half an hour.
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Jan 3, 2010 1:42:42 GMT -5
Ahem. The whole reason that Donna was unaffected by the device is that she is, at least part, a Time Lord. So, it is not outside the realm of possibility. I was thinking of Donna, because the Time Lordy bit of her will kill her if she gets her memories back, so it seems unfair she doesn't have the full upgrade if it's possible. |
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Jan 3, 2010 1:45:51 GMT -5
Though I do believe the Time Lords could become an amoral race, out for only their own survival - there's plenty of canon about their speckly history, before they decided that ruling the universe by not ruling the universe was the way to go. But how DID Rassilon come to be Lord President again? Hasn't he been dead for ages, or did I forget some canon where they brought HIM back, too? Since The Five Doctors, with Rassilon's Tomb being made of 'immortal' Time Lords, there has been the idea that Rassilon isn't strictly speaking dead. Kind of a once and future thing, only probably evil. Fun. |
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jan 3, 2010 10:38:37 GMT -5
Hmph. Not entirely satisfied. I was pleased with the way The Master (sort of) joined forces with The Doctor at the end. That was nice, and also in character for him. Not entirely happy with the Master retcon - I think I liked him better when he was just evil. Not happy at all with the "resolution" of the Time War storyline. Quite a tease, to bring the Time Lords back just to send them away again. It just didn't feel creative to me - more like, "Hey, I know what'll get their attention - let's get James Bond to play Rassilon." Though I do believe the Time Lords could become an amoral race, out for only their own survival - there's plenty of canon about their speckly history, before they decided that ruling the universe by not ruling the universe was the way to go. But how DID Rassilon come to be Lord President again? Hasn't he been dead for ages, or did I forget some canon where they brought HIM back, too? And now The Master is trapped in the Time War bubble, too? Eh, he'll be back. I wanted more with Donna. I'm still pissed off about what they did to her. And, finally, 1/3 of the episode was "end". Too Lord of the Rings for my taste. I would have preferred more plot and less goodbye. Not that I don't appreciate watching DT emote for half an hour. I'm with Rachael - The Master isn't an evil super-villain and the Doctor's eternal nemesis, he's just a poor wee thing who was driven mad by child abuse? Talk about taking the fun out of your evil. I mean, I like my evil like I like my men... Way too much wandering around talking, towards the end there. Regenerations don't usually take this long to kick in. This Doctor sure did want to hang onto his life. Also, blowing up the TARDIS? I guess it was all that radiation. Also very much with you on the Donna issue - apparently they just put her back to her memory-wiped status? She could still remember, at some point in the (her) future, then? Some sort of actual closure would've been appropriate, say, a nice punch in the nose for the guy who wiped her memory? Oh well, at least the show is generating discussion, judging from the S'cubies. |
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Post by Rachael on Jan 3, 2010 10:50:59 GMT -5
Yes, exactly - regenerations have always been fairly fast, not a wander down memory lane.
Though they have established several times that there's a degree of conscious control over the process when the Time Lord in question is, well, conscious. This Doctor even regenerated, sort of, back into himself once.
I did like "I don't want to go" - because it seems trite and obvious - of course he doesn't want to go...but Nine DID want to go, from all appearances. He was sort of suicidal in demeanor and behavior for the entire season, and seemed happy for a way out. Ten has healed, I think, and that's why it was important to note that he didn't want to go.
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Post by Matthew on Jan 3, 2010 15:35:34 GMT -5
I'm going to have to re-watch but for some reason my gut reaction is that it was Donna, though according to the article on wikipedia the actress playing her sort of obliquely referred to the character as the Doctor's mother. When Wilfred asks him point blank he stares at Donna and doesn't say a word. Which, as Donna is Wilf's granddaughter, other fans have taken as an oblique reference to the Doctor's own granddaughter, Susan. I don't even. Donna makes as much sense as anyone, really. Some people think that it has to be a time lord that hasn't gone through a regeneration since the last time the Doctor saw her, but time lords tend to me mildly psychic: the Doctor got that Rassillon was Rassillon just by his... Rassillonnness. I mean, yeah, "badass fearsome timelord with no ruth" does call him to mind first, but he was in the matrix last time the Doctor dealt with him, and didn't have that body. So the woman could have been any time lord: he'd have recognized her just the same. |
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But she's the only Gallifreyan on your list in the right universe so in her personal future she could end up back there.
