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Post by RAKSHA on May 11, 2010 21:34:20 GMT -5
Not enough answers, and too many questions.
I don't know why they've danced around Jacob's brother's name. I wonder if they're going to reveal it later; to show whether current-Smokey is actually the spirit of Jacob''s brother or Something Else.
So far, the sloppy storytelling is not impressing me much.
Gail
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 1, 2010 7:00:16 GMT -5
Teaser
Illana? No, wait. What?
We're back in ancient times, I guess.
Pregnant and shipwrecked? That's hard core.
Reflection of...Allison Janney?
What language is she speaking? Latin?
Claudia.
Now speaking English. But I guess we're to assume they're still speaking in Latin?
Got to the island by accident.
Every question I answer will only lead to another question. #hairpull#
Labor and delivery island style.
Jacob!!!
There's another baby. No shit, Sherlock!
She only picked one name. Dammit, the Man in Black/Esau/NotLocke still doesn't have a name? Maybe that's why he's so evil.
Kill the mother, take the babies. The more things change, the more they stay the same...
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 1, 2010 7:20:13 GMT -5
Part I
Young Man in Black/Esau.
Black stones.
Young Jacob.
How nice of Allison Janney to keep them color coded in this way.
It's a game that MIB/Esau "just knows how to play." Can't tell "Mother" cause she'll take it away. Is this what boys did before there was porn?
Allison Janney weaving.
I see that MIB/Esau and Jacob got their passive aggressiveness from Allison Janney.
Jacob doesn't know how to lie. He's not like you. What am I like? Your...special. (Wow, I don't think you realize what kind of havoc your influence is going to wreak on untold numbers of castaways.)
Allison Janney left the game so MIB/Esau could find it.
Where else would it come from? (Hmm, so maybe she didn't leave it there, she's just saying that she did.)
There is nowhere else. The island is all there is.
Lying about being their birth mother. Why? What is *her* game?
What's dead? Something you will never have to worry about. (why?)
Hunting boar, Lord of the Flies style. Preempted by mysterious hunters. Huh?
They look like us. They're not like us. They don't belong here. We are here for a reason. What reason?
What makes them dangerous? Same thing that makes all men dangerous. They come; they fight; they destroy; they corrupt; it always ends the same. They come "from another part of the island." (This island Earth?)
Allison Janney's "made it so that they can never hurt each other."
A golden egg? What the hell is that?
No, a golden cave. What? An EM hotspot?
Must make sure that no one ever finds it. A little bit of this light is inside every man, but they always want more. If they try, they put the light out. And if it goes out, it goes out everywhere.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 14:01:22 GMT -5
Part II
You can't do that Jacob. What not? Because it's against the rules. You made the rules. I found it. One day you can make up your own game and everybody will have to follow your rules.
NO!!!! Don't give him ideas Esau/MIB!!!!!
Vision of their birth mother!!! Esau sees her and Jacob doesn't. Hmm.
Jacob can't see her because she's dead. Um, OK? Huh?
She wants to show Esau where he comes from.
A primitive village. Came 13 yrs ago. Day before Jacob and Esau were born.
You came from across the see. Ah, so that's "home" to NotLocke.
Esau tells Jacob. And he doesn't want to go alone.
Contention over whether Allison Janney is good or the People are good. Who is there real mother.
Allison Janney's lie comes back to bite her in the ass.
So, Allison Janney made it so Esau can never leave the island. And Esau's been tying to leave ever since.
Allison Janney and Jacob on the beach.
Allison Janney confesses. If she had let birth mother live, she would have raised the boys with the people. Allison Janney wanted to to stay "good." Wow, that's fucked up. So according to Allison Janney, other people are evil because they are other people. So good and evil have no intrinsic meaning.
Claire and Aaron's story put into context
Am I good mother? Yes, of course you are. Then why do you love him more than me?
Jacob agrees to stay. For a while.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 15:08:49 GMT -5
Part III
Adult Jacob, weaving at the loom.
Off to see the men. They are taking a long time to build their village.
Adult Esau. Estranged from Jacob and Allison Janney.
Jacob and Esau. Still playing games.
Jacob watching Esau and "his people." Wanting to see if Allison Janney is right
They don't seem so bad. That's easy for you to say, looking down on them from above.
Greedy, manipulative, untrustworthy, and selfish.
Esau stays with them as means to an end.
The Knife!!!
The Well!!!
Smart men who are curious about the way things work. Digging up all the EM hotspots.
About what to do after Allison Janney dies.
Yeah, they are living in the rape caves.
Allison Janney goes to regulate.
Esau can't find the golden cave. So he's trying to dig elsewhere.
The frozen donkey wheel. A system that channels the water and the light. A way off the island.
Esau wants to leave because he doesn't belong there.
And so Allison Janney bashes his head in!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 15:14:51 GMT -5
Part IV
Jacob and Allison Janney. Jacob is entrusted with protect the golden cave.
Life, death, rebirth. The source, the heart of the island.
Jacob has to protect it, but never know exactly what it is.
Worse than dying.
The wine bottle! Or not really wine? Or is it just the ritual that binds?
Both Jacob and Esau are really insecure.
Now you and I are the same. Huh?
The morning after. Esau looks like hell.
The well's been filled in. And the village burned. The people all killed.
The Game.
Now we get the beginning of Esau's rage.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 15:22:40 GMT -5
Coda
Jacob and Allison Janney.
Esau's going to kill her, isn't he?
Back home. The tapestry destroyed. The Game. With the black stone and the white stone.
Yep. Goodbye Allison Janney. It was really interesting for you to guest star on this show.
Jacob and Esau. fight, fight, fight!!!
OMG, Jacob's going to shove Esau down into the golden cave. And that makes him the Smoke Monster!!!
So the 2 bodies in the rape caves are Allison Janney and Esau.
I'm not sure that intercutting of scenes was necessary, show.
Our very own Adam and Eve. Eww?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 18:16:34 GMT -5
Wow, from reading various reviews, it seems like this was a really polarizing episode. Huh.
I, for one, liked it.
The one thing that struck me was a lot of criticism was about Allison Janney's role. A lot of people seemed to see her as evil and/or crazy, winner of Worst Mother of the Year award. I see her chiefly as a tragic figure, her actions extremely damaging, but justified based on what she knew and what she experienced, which is all any of us can do.
It actually reminds me a lot of the disagreements in season 7 of Buffy, where people interpret characterizations and events completely differently from me (or they don't seem the "get" something that seems obvious to me; but then again, maybe their right and I'm just wacky) and then use that interpretation to criticize the show and the writers/creators.
What I loved most was the heavy sense of dramatic irony over the story, that Allison Janney, Jacob, and Esau had no idea what kind of havoc their own family drama would wreak over the following centuries, much like with the other mythological pantheons.
I also thought the episode did a great job of putting the whole story of Lost into context, especially everything Jacob and the Smoke Monster/Esau/Man In Black/NotLocke ever did or said.
I especially love the tragic irony of Jacob being able to leave the island, when all he wants to do is stay; while all Esau has ever wanted to do was leave the island but is prevented from doing so. Also, the cruelty of Esau manipulating Locke, one of the only Losties who really wanted to stay on the island, into leaving, and the cruelty of Jacob, through Ben and The Others, in sabotaging every effort the Losties made to leave, when they so desparately wanted to leave.
I'm also pondering whether The Smoke Monster is actually the entrusted guardian of the island, since I was reminded of Rousseau cryptically explaining it as a "security system" way back when, and the possibility of Allison Janney being the previous Smoke Monster and why she was adamant that Esau never leave. I'm thinking that she manipulated Jacob into killing Esau and throwing in into the Golden Cave, thus turning him into the Smoke Monster and becoming the guardian.
The one big weakness I see is the ending. I still think that the intercutting the scenes at the end was really weak. If they wanted to draw some connection with the future/present they could have done better.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jun 4, 2010 19:04:23 GMT -5
Also, the twop recap identified the game Jacob and Esau played as Senet. Of particular interest is the games association with death and the fact that no one is completely sure today what the rules are.
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