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Post by Techno-bot on Jun 12, 2004 23:11:32 GMT -5
Written by Drew Z. Greenberg Directed by Turi Meyer Air date: 11/20/01
Lonely now that Tara has left, Willow uses magic to turn Amy the Rat back into her old human form just as Spike discovers something startling about Buffy's human form.
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Post by fredspuffed on Aug 20, 2004 20:49:50 GMT -5
In the game of love getting risk of getting hurt has to be there otherwise is it really worth it ? In the battle of the sexes men and wom,en are mortal enemies I cant remember where I have seen heard these before but I think somehow maybe they are important to this episode somewhat
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Post by Onjel on Aug 22, 2004 11:38:57 GMT -5
"In the game of love getting risk of getting hurt has to be there otherwise is it really worth it ?" It is the risk that makes it something to strive for. If one lives one's life in fear of hurt, failure, etc. one does not live at all. A smooth relationship, with no risk of anything at all, I think, also poses no risk that passion will play a part in it. One can be content, but what about happy? With happiness comes the risk of despair, but without that, how can we appreciate happiness? The same with good and evil. Without evil how can we appreciate good? Just rambling here, but your thoughts intrigued me.
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Post by fredspuffed on Aug 24, 2004 4:08:58 GMT -5
"In the game of love getting risk of getting hurt has to be there otherwise is it really worth it ?" It is the risk that makes it something to strive for. If one lives one's life in fear of hurt, failure, etc. one does not live at all. A smooth relationship, with no risk of anything at all, I think, also poses no risk that passion will play a part in it. One can be content, but what about happy? With happiness comes the risk of despair, but without that, how can we appreciate happiness? The same with good and evil. Without evil how can we appreciate good? Just rambling here, but your thoughts intrigued me. I'ts okay I actually think you probabley completed them --- I did alot of thinking and wrote it down and I still do not think it came out right and I think I was paraphrasing what the first slayer told buffy in Intervention ---- of course she forgot everything she said and only remember the death is your gift part ---now I'm rambling --- have anymore thoughts/ Oh and i really wanted to get those thoughts out into the universe ( i dont think i have ever intriged anybody bfore
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Post by Onjel on Aug 26, 2004 12:45:57 GMT -5
Well, life without risk may be safe and easy, but it sure is boring! Taking a risk and winning is exciting. Ok, losing isn't much fun, but you can't know how it feels to win without knowing what it is like to lose. Ok. I'm done. ;D
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Post by fredspuffed on Aug 29, 2004 15:37:58 GMT -5
Well, life without risk may be safe and easy, but it sure is boring! Taking a risk and winning is exciting. Ok, losing isn't much fun, but you can't know how it feels to win without knowing what it is like to lose. Ok. I'm done. ;D Thought this was an inbteresting qoute its from The Sure Thing "Life's the ultimate experience" I thought that was quite simple and I think it fits --- sorta in a way ?
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Post by Onjel on Aug 30, 2004 15:49:35 GMT -5
Thought this was an inbteresting qoute its from The Sure Thing "Life's the ultimate experience" I thought that was quite simple and I think it fits --- sorta in a way ? Exactly! Well put! ;D
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Post by LadyDi on Sept 14, 2004 15:15:27 GMT -5
In the commentary for this ep., Drew Greenberg mentions how Buffy and Spike are both equally lost at this point. Buffy and Spike have always been equals (IMO) even if she didn't want to admit it. As for the destruction of the house as metaphor for the destructive nature of their relationship, we assume that destruction is a bad thing. But the house is abandoned and decrepit anyway. It can't be repaired. OTOH, if the foundation's sturdy, it can be rebuilt.
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 14, 2004 15:29:51 GMT -5
In the commentary for this ep., Drew Greenberg mentions how Buffy and Spike are both equally lost at this point. Buffy and Spike have always been equals (IMO) even if she didn't want to admit it. As for the destruction of the house as metaphor for the destructive nature of their relationship, we assume that destruction is a bad thing. But the house is abandoned and decrepit anyway. It can't be repaired. OTOH, if the foundation's sturdy, it can be rebuilt. Oh! You have read my mind, and you are going to like my new analysis, then ( Checkpoint). I have a part about the consistent mutuality of Buffy & Spike's relationship - would love to hear your thoughts on that. It should be posted soon. I have always seen the "walls tumbling down" as a two-sided image . . . it's destructive, but it's also freeing. I don't think it was meant as a wholly negative image, and I've never bought into that picture of it. And in the end, it turns out to be, as Spike knows almost immediately, a "revelation," and something that leads both parties into the light.
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Post by LadyDi on Sept 14, 2004 21:32:41 GMT -5
Oh! You have read my mind, and you are going to like my new analysis, then ( Checkpoint). I have a part about the consistent mutuality of Buffy & Spike's relationship - would love to hear your thoughts on that. It should be posted soon. I have always seen the "walls tumbling down" as a two-sided image . . . it's destructive, but it's also freeing. I don't think it was meant as a wholly negative image, and I've never bought into that picture of it. And in the end, it turns out to be, as Spike knows almost immediately, a "revelation," and something that leads both parties into the light. C'mon, Spring - when have I not liked your analyses? I may not agree w/everything, but you ought to know by now how much I appreciate your insights. Can't wait for the next one. It's been too long. I do feel the negative side of the image was/is emphasized, which is a shame. I find it interesting (and somewhat amusing) that Robin and Faith's little encounter was nothing like a "revelation." Seemed like it was nothing to write home about.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 11, 2005 15:55:17 GMT -5
I find it interesting (and somewhat amusing) that Robin and Faith's little encounter was nothing like a "revelation." Seemed like it was nothing to write home about. Not the morning after, but Robin did persist and it did seem like by the end of Chosen they had the promising beginning of a relationship.
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Post by LadyDi on Feb 26, 2006 15:45:42 GMT -5
“In what was evidently one of the great botched metaphors in the history of storytelling, Buffy and Spike consummate their relationship and demolish a derelict mansion in their throes. Houses are a common symbol for people in stories…and this one seems to clearly represent Buffy’s once rich but now derelict past life. She has died in one life and been resurrected into a new one, but she’s clinging to the past, living in the decaying shell of her former existence, an old life that must be rejected before she can live fully in the new world. When she embraces Spike, she embraces the dark side of her destiny, an adult rejection of the simplistic good/evil universe of her childhood, freeing herself to move into the future…Their consummation takes them to the deepest levels, both symbolically and literally as they fall into the basement, and leaves Buffy standing in a shaft of light in the morning, reborn. As metaphoric scenes go, it’s one of the most powerful in the history of the series. Except that’s evidently not what the writers had in mind, since they insisted in interviews that the wreck symbolized the relationship as a bad choice.” ~Jennifer Crusie, “Dating Death,” excerpted from Seven Seasons of Buffy
EngimaticBlue(s) used this quote as a jumping off point for one of her stories (Collide). The story (WIP) is quite good so far. She brings up something I (and apparently the folks at ME) forgot about. To get money for Buffy and Dawn, Spike goes back to the cave/crypt where he found the Gem of Amara. Lots of other treasures were buried there too. He fences the goods for a mostly legit source of cash. So much more logical than As You Were. *sigh*
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Post by Onjel on Feb 26, 2006 20:38:49 GMT -5
“In what was evidently one of the great botched metaphors in the history of storytelling, Buffy and Spike consummate their relationship and demolish a derelict mansion in their throes. Houses are a common symbol for people in stories…and this one seems to clearly represent Buffy’s once rich but now derelict past life. She has died in one life and been resurrected into a new one, but she’s clinging to the past, living in the decaying shell of her former existence, an old life that must be rejected before she can live fully in the new world. When she embraces Spike, she embraces the dark side of her destiny, an adult rejection of the simplistic good/evil universe of her childhood, freeing herself to move into the future…Their consummation takes them to the deepest levels, both symbolically and literally as they fall into the basement, and leaves Buffy standing in a shaft of light in the morning, reborn. As metaphoric scenes go, it’s one of the most powerful in the history of the series. Except that’s evidently not what the writers had in mind, since they insisted in interviews that the wreck symbolized the relationship as a bad choice.” ~Jennifer Crusie, “Dating Death,” excerpted from Seven Seasons of Buffy EngimaticBlue(s) used this quote as a jumping off point for one of her stories (Collide). The story (WIP) is quite good so far. She brings up something I (and apparently the folks at ME) forgot about. To get money for Buffy and Dawn, Spike goes back to the cave/crypt where he found the Gem of Amara. Lots of other treasures were buried there too. He fences the goods for a mostly legit source of cash. So much more logical than As You Were[/i]. *sigh* [/quote] Wow! I often wondered why he just didn't go back to the treasure trove that held the Gem of Amarra and assumed that once found, the place had been picked clean by the other vamps in the area. Sounds like a really good story.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 16, 2006 18:57:33 GMT -5
“Hi. How've you been?” “Rat. You?” “Dead.” “Oh.” Yes that’s right! Week 3 brings us the eighth most requested Buffy ep, Smashed.“I just keep thinking ... there's gotta be someplace, like, bigger than this.” “Besides, it's way too early to go home yet.” “You know that I will always be there for you, right? There, there was actually more of a lead-in when I practiced that at home.” “You haven't even come close to hurting me.” “Afraid to give me the chance?”
Now, go forth and discuss, quote, reminisce, squee and generally . . . . bring the house down![/b][/size]
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 17, 2006 16:07:45 GMT -5
God, I love this episode. Lots and lots of stuff to ponder about Willow, Spike, and Buffy. And in between? Funny, funny, funny. Also? #thud# HOT!! AND DISTURBING!! AND HOT!! #thud#
So here I bring the funny and some minor points to ponder, since I really haven't wrapped my brain around everything else yet:
*Spike's comments about how the chip should allow him to eat criminals reminds me of Angel's decision to eat murderers and rapists during the Boxer Rebellion.
*Andrew rapelling into the museum while Jonathan and Warren just walk in the front door. Ha!
*De-ratted Amy's disorientation. About Larry and prom, and the "Rat" "Dead" conversation.
*Does Buffy know or care that Willow was responsible for wacky hijinks in Tabula Rasa? She never confronted her about it.
*Love Buffy jumping up and down in the crowd trying to get a good view. Hee.
*Buffy: But when I kissed you, you know I was thinking about Giles, right? Spike: You know, I always wondered about you two. Eh? Is he joking or serious? It’s hard to tell from the way James Marsters delivers this.
*Spike trying to bite the Girl in the Alley scene: I would have been totally scared if I were that actress.
*Spike and the Nerds: they are clearly intimidated by Spike, so they must know he’s a vampire and they don’t know he can’t hurt them. How exactly do they know this? From their surveillance tapes? By his reputation in the demon world?
*Spike holding Boba Fett hostage, hilarious! Love his pretending to take the head off and the Nerds reactions as well as that creepy little evil smile. I love how (repeated image) the Nerds hold a little side conversation about Spike where he can totally hear them.
*Love Andrew and Jonathan trying to make small talk while Spike glares at them, particularly Andrew fondling Boba Fett and Spike yelling for Warren
*Willow: I know, Xander engaged. I couldn't believe it either. Amy: It's just so weird. So, what's she like? Willow: Thousand-year-old capitalist ex-demon with rabbit-phobia. Amy: Well, that's so his type. Ha!
*Spike and Buffy were just throwing each other around willy-nilly in a house that was made of wood. Wouldn’t have been really traumatic if Spike had gotten staked while they were having sex?
And in the shallow side:
*I love the shot of Spike in the alley where he seems to get smaller and smaller as the camera zooms away from him
*Anya's hair looks terrible.
*Amy's shirt at the Bronze looks cool.
*I love how gracefully Spike glides up and down the stairs of the Nerds' basement.
*The zipper noise at the end. It always makes me snicker. I mean there's lyrical music and soft moaning, and then all of a sudden ZZZIIIP!! Just a little jarring, don't you think?
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