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Post by Queen E on Mar 14, 2007 21:26:32 GMT -5
Here's the place to discuss the first "episode" of Season 8 Buffy.
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Post by Michelle on Mar 16, 2007 8:00:12 GMT -5
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Post by jeff on Mar 16, 2007 20:50:44 GMT -5
ok , here comes my thoughts , I am going back through it for a second time and posting my thoughts as I read them. so if your reading this post and you have not read the comic yet, dont read the following posts!
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Post by jeff on Mar 16, 2007 21:17:06 GMT -5
Loved the line on the first page! "the thing about changing the world , once you do it the worlds all different."
1800 slayers! only 500 working with Buffy, what are the other 1300 doing?
Loved how they worked the Immortal issue in, Andrew is a genius! ROFL
Xander, A watcher? he does not claim to be, but is he? Oh and the five -by- five reference, does this mean that he and Faith have something going? I find it an interesting comment for Xander to make.
Psychics? interesting persons to have working with you. I am interested in how much of a role they play over the course of the season.
Xander is a little flirty with Renee, love the nerd points line.
Sunnydale!
figured the Army or some sort of military would come in and screw things up. kinda initiative in a way.
Dawny is all grown up! ROFL! In a big way!
Your butt looks big in those giant pants. I really thought they would be getting along a little better, but sisters will be sisters I guess.
loved the Miss my home, mom, churros, sex. Poor sexless Buffy!
AMY!!!!!!!!!!! ok, who is her boyfriend? someone who wants a weapons lab! and no legs, and wow! wow! wow! what a way to end the first issue! Good lord , now I have to wait 30 days!
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Post by jeff on Mar 16, 2007 21:21:19 GMT -5
Now my only complaint, and since this is the first time with a comic, it may just be me.
I thought this may be a problem, I miss the longer Dialogue, the conversations have to be short and sweet in the comics.
plus it takes like 10 minutes to read the comic, when I am used to an hour long show! So while it is good to get the Buffyverse back and I am not really complaining mind you, just wishing it was longer is all, just wishing it was longer.
cant wait to hear everyone elses thoughts!
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Post by Karen on Mar 17, 2007 12:10:54 GMT -5
Jeff - I felt the exact same way about when I read Joss' Fray the first time. Being so used to a story developing on the tv in an hour, it was hard to actually enjoy the comic book format because you can read it in 10 minutes if you want to. This actually gets better as you learn to read and savor the comic book format. It takes some practice, tho. You have to ferret out the little details in the art, and let your mind fill in the action and noise. I used to read and reread comics as a kid. One a week. Joss's are a bit different, I feel. There is no wasted dialogue at all, and every single page carries forth the story and fills in the blanks and the background. Like - Xander is Buffy's watcher! He wants to be called Sergeant Fury. Hee! He takes his 'duty' seriously, although he does miss his 9 to 5 old job in construction. But he has a bunch of cool high tech gadgets to help him run the slayer business. Joss gave us a symbol to mull over! Xander thinks it's a frown turned upside down and turned upside down again - a guy with a monocle, but Buffy thinks it looks like a sunset. And there is a government who thinks Buffy commands an army - and that they are ruthless against their enemies, because they blew up Sunnydale! So many, many goodies! Not to mention huge, whiney Dawn and Amy, who was stuck down in the crater, but managed to survive, like a rat. I put off reading it at first because of the buildup -- I didn't want to be disappointed. I forgot the old saying....Must Trust Joss.
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Post by jeff on Mar 18, 2007 10:53:37 GMT -5
Jeff - I felt the exact same way about when I read Joss' Fray the first time. Being so used to a story developing on the tv in an hour, it was hard to actually enjoy the comic book format because you can read it in 10 minutes if you want to. This actually gets better as you learn to read and savor the comic book format. It takes some practice, tho. You have to ferret out the little details in the art, and let your mind fill in the action and noise. I used to read and reread comics as a kid. One a week. Joss's are a bit different, I feel. There is no wasted dialogue at all, and every single page carries forth the story and fills in the blanks and the background. Like - Xander is Buffy's watcher! He wants to be called Sergeant Fury. Hee! He takes his 'duty' seriously, although he does miss his 9 to 5 old job in construction. But he has a bunch of cool high tech gadgets to help him run the slayer business. Joss gave us a symbol to mull over! Xander thinks it's a frown turned upside down and turned upside down again - a guy with a monocle, but Buffy thinks it looks like a sunset. And there is a government who thinks Buffy commands an army - and that they are ruthless against their enemies, because they blew up Sunnydale! So many, many goodies! Not to mention huge, whiney Dawn and Amy, who was stuck down in the crater, but managed to survive, like a rat. I put off reading it at first because of the buildup -- I didn't want to be disappointed. I forgot the old saying....Must Trust Joss. I am really really curious on who is Amy's boyfriend that was in the crater with her, we know he was in Sunnydale, and he wants a weapons lab, it has to be someone we know , and I am racking my brain, but I am at a loss, Did Rack die, could he be Amy's boyfriend, but would he need a weapons lab? or is it someone else, does anyone have any Ideas?
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Post by Onjel on Mar 18, 2007 11:57:56 GMT -5
Jeff - I felt the exact same way about when I read Joss' Fray the first time. Being so used to a story developing on the tv in an hour, it was hard to actually enjoy the comic book format because you can read it in 10 minutes if you want to. This actually gets better as you learn to read and savor the comic book format. It takes some practice, tho. You have to ferret out the little details in the art, and let your mind fill in the action and noise. I used to read and reread comics as a kid. One a week. Joss's are a bit different, I feel. There is no wasted dialogue at all, and every single page carries forth the story and fills in the blanks and the background. Like - Xander is Buffy's watcher! He wants to be called Sergeant Fury. Hee! He takes his 'duty' seriously, although he does miss his 9 to 5 old job in construction. But he has a bunch of cool high tech gadgets to help him run the slayer business. Joss gave us a symbol to mull over! Xander thinks it's a frown turned upside down and turned upside down again - a guy with a monocle, but Buffy thinks it looks like a sunset. And there is a government who thinks Buffy commands an army - and that they are ruthless against their enemies, because they blew up Sunnydale! So many, many goodies! Not to mention huge, whiney Dawn and Amy, who was stuck down in the crater, but managed to survive, like a rat. I put off reading it at first because of the buildup -- I didn't want to be disappointed. I forgot the old saying....Must Trust Joss. I am really really curious on who is Amy's boyfriend that was in the crater with her, we know he was in Sunnydale, and he wants a weapons lab, it has to be someone we know , and I am racking my brain, but I am at a loss, Did Rack die, could he be Amy's boyfriend, but would he need a weapons lab? or is it someone else, does anyone have any Ideas? Well, we know it isn't Spike, because he's busy at Wolfram & Hart. ;D I'm thinking Rack. I'm at a loss for who else it could be. Amy might have resurrected him, because I was under the impression he died after that last visit with Willow. I might have to think harder. Can't be Jonathan or Warren. Not Adam.
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Post by Karen on Mar 18, 2007 13:47:58 GMT -5
I am really really curious on who is Amy's boyfriend that was in the crater with her, we know he was in Sunnydale, and he wants a weapons lab, it has to be someone we know , and I am racking my brain, but I am at a loss, Did Rack die, could he be Amy's boyfriend, but would he need a weapons lab? or is it someone else, does anyone have any Ideas? Well, we know it isn't Spike, because he's busy at Wolfram & Hart. ;D I'm thinking Rack. I'm at a loss for who else it could be. Amy might have resurrected him, because I was under the impression he died after that last visit with Willow. I might have to think harder. Can't be Jonathan or Warren. Not Adam. Good question! He has to be someone that could be hurt badly enough for Amy to have to keep alive. So - someone 'real'. But the general called it a 'thing', so might or might not be human. He/It wants a 'weapons lab'? Hm..that does sound like it could be Adam. Amy somehow reanimated him from the rubble?
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Post by jeff on Mar 18, 2007 13:49:47 GMT -5
I am really really curious on who is Amy's boyfriend that was in the crater with her, we know he was in Sunnydale, and he wants a weapons lab, it has to be someone we know , and I am racking my brain, but I am at a loss, Did Rack die, could he be Amy's boyfriend, but would he need a weapons lab? or is it someone else, does anyone have any Ideas? Well, we know it isn't Spike, because he's busy at Wolfram & Hart. ;D I'm thinking Rack. I'm at a loss for who else it could be. Amy might have resurrected him, because I was under the impression he died after that last visit with Willow. I might have to think harder. Can't be Jonathan or Warren. Not Adam. after researching, most agree that Willow took all Racks power and killed him. so I am at a loss, the weapons lab makes me think of Innitiative person, could it be possible that Riley Finn came back to sunnydale at the time of the Hellmouths closing and got trapped, Amy kept him alive , now he wants revenge. just throwing it out there.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 18, 2007 22:31:11 GMT -5
Well, we know it isn't Spike, because he's busy at Wolfram & Hart. ;D I'm thinking Rack. I'm at a loss for who else it could be. Amy might have resurrected him, because I was under the impression he died after that last visit with Willow. I might have to think harder. Can't be Jonathan or Warren. Not Adam. Good question! He has to be someone that could be hurt badly enough for Amy to have to keep alive. So - someone 'real'. But the general called it a 'thing', so might or might not be human. He/It wants a 'weapons lab'? Hm..that does sound like it could be Adam. Amy somehow reanimated him from the rubble? Hmmmmmm. We never did learn what happened to his body after Buffy removed the uranium power source. Jeff is right. It does sound an awful lot like an initiative thing. One part of the army fighting the other. Who would Amy keep alive? I can't wait until next month!
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Post by jeff on Mar 19, 2007 17:46:46 GMT -5
Well, we know it isn't Spike, because he's busy at Wolfram & Hart. ;D I'm thinking Rack. I'm at a loss for who else it could be. Amy might have resurrected him, because I was under the impression he died after that last visit with Willow. I might have to think harder. Can't be Jonathan or Warren. Not Adam. Good question! He has to be someone that could be hurt badly enough for Amy to have to keep alive. So - someone 'real'. But the general called it a 'thing', so might or might not be human. He/It wants a 'weapons lab'? Hm..that does sound like it could be Adam. Amy somehow reanimated him from the rubble? I cant see it being Adam, that was 3 years earlier and didnt they go back down into the Initiative after that? you would have to think they would have destryed his body. I am leaning toward someone in season 7, I just really have no clue as to who. Unless like I said earlier, someone (Riley) came back to sunnydale just before it was destroyed and we didnt know they were there.
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Post by Karen on Mar 19, 2007 19:00:29 GMT -5
Yep. They did go back into the Initiative, in Season 7. SPIKE: Are you sure you still wanna go back in this place with me?
BUFFY: Eh, nothing good on TV tonight.
SPIKE: Here we are. Yep, here we are. You think the stuff's still good?
SPIKE: I don't know. Worked pretty good when the Initiative held me captive here. Every time I'd get a little...rambunctious, the chip'd kick in. I feel like my head was gonna explode. They'd dope me up, and everything would be all daffodils and teddy bears. For a couple of hours anyway.
BUFFY: Maybe we should search for files and stuff. Find out everything we can about the chip?shelf life.
SPIKE: I'll take whatever I can get.
BUFFY: Ready?
SPIKE: Yeah.
(Together, they pull the chain, hoisting up a metal grate in the ground)
(... later ...)
BUFFY: Be careful. (RE: bodies) Oh, God. They just left them.
SPIKE: They just sealed the place off. Left everything as it was.From the reaction of the military guy who saw Amy's boyfriend and called him a 'thing', I don't think whatever it is is human. It's sure fun speculating like this!
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Post by Onjel on Mar 25, 2007 11:38:26 GMT -5
Okay. So, the "five by five" comment by Xander implies Faith influence of some kind. Makes sense, since she was right in there in the final fight. Romance, maybe? I don't see it, after the incident in "The Zeppo" and Xander's comment that Anya's approach was still more romantic than Faith's. So, I'm leaning toward a relationship between Xander and Renee, whose nerd points are accumulating impressively. I mean, did you see the look on his face when they were talking about Sargent Fury? Thoughts, speculations? Anything?
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Post by jeff on Mar 25, 2007 14:36:44 GMT -5
Okay. So, the "five by five" comment by Xander implies Faith influence of some kind. Makes sense, since she was right in there in the final fight. Romance, maybe? I don't see it, after the incident in "The Zeppo" and Xander's comment that Anya's approach was still more romantic than Faith's. So, I'm leaning toward a relationship between Xander and Renee, whose nerd points are accumulating impressively. I mean, did you see the look on his face when they were talking about Sargent Fury? Thoughts, speculations? Anything? I commented on this after I read it as well, It seems that was an odd comment for Xander to make. Either Joss wanted to add it just for familiarity sake, or Xander has a relationship with Faith, and if so what happented to Principal Wood? Then it seemed as if he were openly "flirting" with Renee, so I am not sure, but it is one of the things I am looking foward to finding out.
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