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Post by Queen E on Jul 26, 2005 23:57:12 GMT -5
New sides for VM up on nowcasting.com.
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Post by Pixi on Jul 28, 2005 6:59:31 GMT -5
Bringing over some interesting developments - that honestly may mean nothing - from the something-happens.com thread:
There's new and revised sides.
Now, Shelby is asking Veronica if her and *Wallace* are coming to the "life's short" party. Both D and L's names omitted. hmmm.
Many plot details have also been changed in these sides. Not sure what to make of that, but...Before everyone gets too excited, note that the new sides are for San Diego casting. That's where the minor, bit parts are cast, and the sides they use tend to be pieced together, rather than full scripts, and thus tend to be less accurate. So, when the LA (that we saw before) and San Diego sides disagree, it's usually better to go with LA.
Having said that, this is weird. If Duncan and Veronica are a couple, then the whole point of that line from Shelby seemed to be a dig at them and the tirangle. So, somehow the line changed it's entire meaning during some re-write?? Odd.
That line doesn't matter diddly squat to the parts being cast, but it's HUGE to all of us (especially since it was so clear that Logan, not Duncan, would throw a "life's short" party, and that was the #1 argument against any reversed names theory). So changing names in a line like that certainly adds fuel to the idea that names are being swapped in and out to protect the true L/D/V storyline.
But, while Wallace is her BFF, asking her if they're going to a party together seems strange too. So I don't know what to think.
I think all we know is that Logan's at the door (if we trust Kristin...that didn't come from sides), and that there will be some interesting boyfriend revelations early in S2. Beyond that, it's unclear.
While I think the Logan breakup, then Duncan as boyfriend scenario remains the most likely scenario, I will also say that the "hey babe/PDA" scene reads more like Duncan to me, and the hotel scene reads WAY more like Logan to me, so I'm not at all sure we had it right before. Maybe we'll learn more from Kristin or something, but as it stands, I think we're pretty up in the air right now. As it should be, I guess.
It may be the sides were changed simply for casting and the plotlines are still the same but if the names are changed - it would make a very big difference who Veronica is going to the party with.
I'm not sure if changes have been made or if RT is messing with our minds or what. But interesting.
The sides also changed the MOTW in casting the reporter but again it may not matter.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 28, 2005 7:26:14 GMT -5
My "source" on LJ speculated that they are trying to hide the fact that Duncan and Veronica may be together. I can see that because I think the majority of fandom is pulling for L/V over V/D so maybe RT doesn't want the spoilers to get out and piss off fans before they get a chance to see HOW it all comes about?
However, I must admit that I like them doing things like this to confuse the spoilers that have gotten out... it helps me retain some of my "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" status while still 'knowing' the spoilers.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 28, 2005 7:26:36 GMT -5
New sides for VM up on nowcasting.com. thanks m'dear
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Post by Pixi on Jul 28, 2005 7:58:32 GMT -5
My "source" on LJ speculated that they are trying to hide the fact that Duncan and Veronica may be together. I can see that because I think the majority of fandom is pulling for L/V over V/D so maybe RT doesn't want the spoilers to get out and piss off fans before they get a chance to see HOW it all comes about? However, I must admit that I like them doing things like this to confuse the spoilers that have gotten out... it helps me retain some of my "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" status while still 'knowing' the spoilers. Hee, hee. I love the idea that RT is messing with us. It is something I would do if I was in his position. Although - I am sorely tempted to write to UPN and tell them how much this scenario makes me want to "not watch" the show. I do trust RT but honestly I don't care how rosy they paint the scene the fact that Duncan slept w/ Veronica while he thought she was his sister and then and this is actually more the biggie to me - and then left her alone in the morning (so scummy) just makes the idea of having to endure VD unbearable. That is what has me so against a VD romance. Well that and the chemistry JD brings to every VL scene.
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Post by Queen E on Jul 28, 2005 10:18:51 GMT -5
New sides for VM up on nowcasting.com. thanks m'dear You are so welcome... I think it's impossible to figure out what's going to happen. V/L may have decided to just get to know each other as friend's first...and then Veronica starts dating Duncan to get that out of her system. She could be seeing Duncan and cheating on him with Logan (and scones). It's hard to tell. But...if they are starting with V/D...they are getting it out of the way early to make room for some more hot Logan action...
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Post by Queen E on Jul 28, 2005 10:25:20 GMT -5
My "source" on LJ speculated that they are trying to hide the fact that Duncan and Veronica may be together. I can see that because I think the majority of fandom is pulling for L/V over V/D so maybe RT doesn't want the spoilers to get out and piss off fans before they get a chance to see HOW it all comes about? However, I must admit that I like them doing things like this to confuse the spoilers that have gotten out... it helps me retain some of my "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" status while still 'knowing' the spoilers. Hee, hee. I love the idea that RT is messing with us. It is something I would do if I was in his position. Although - I am sorely tempted to write to UPN and tell them how much this scenario makes me want to "not watch" the show. I do trust RT but honestly I don't care how rosy they paint the scene the fact that Duncan slept w/ Veronica while he thought she was his sister and then and this is actually more the biggie to me - and then left her alone in the morning (so scummy) just makes the idea of having to endure VD unbearable. That is what has me so against a VD romance. Well that and the chemistry JD brings to every VL scene. But...Duncan was under the influence of the same drug that Veronica was...and was drugged by Logan. His behavior afterwards: hard to forgive. I think, though, I tend to cut him slack because of that. I hold Logan accountable for the first, and Duncan for the second. Just my thoughts on it. I do think both bring way too much baggage to the table to ever be a successful couple again (V/D, I mean).
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Post by Pixi on Jul 29, 2005 7:03:22 GMT -5
Spoilers from Kristin's/Eonline's Chat: LoVe-ly Eye Candy: Still a bit down? Well, look! It's a picture of Jason Dohring! He's hot! He's sweet! He's not dying! And he even has some Veronica Mars scoop! Whee! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aww! Nice intro!! Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lest you're worried Jason's the one being written off, he confirms he's in every episode of season--and his overnight popularity has not gone to his head. "I still live with my folks 'cause I love it," says the 23-year-old, who just celebrated his one-year wedding anniversary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, so his anniversary isn't the 31st. He still lives with his folks -- not as odd as that sounds as I believe his father is a multi-millionaire and it's probably a pretty big house. And no matter how many times I see it in print that he's in all 22, it still makes me happy! Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. They All Knew: "We knew the murderer by episode two," Jason tells me, prompting me to raise my hand to smack him. "I'm sorry! We couldn't tell you! And actually, Rob tried to tell us later it wasn't [Harry] because he was afraid it would get out." He also had a contingency plan if word got out: Duncan would be the killer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, I'm sorry, but that was cute: "I'm sorry! We couldn't tell you!" Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kiss Was "Weird": When I gushed about the kiss (you know, the kiss between Logan and Veronica) to Rob Thomas, he replied. "That's really cool. Here's the thing: I was a little disappointed in it." Say wha? "The script said 'he devours her,' and I felt like it came off really romantic and sweet in a moment that I thought was going to be a little more twisted." Meanwhile, Kristen says it was a bit "weird because Jason and I are such good friends that we were kind of like, 'Um, do you wanna talk about anything?' He was like, 'No, I'm cool.' I'm like, 'I'm cool, too. You know, whatever.' So, we were like grade-schoolers about the whole thing, and it was weird, because he's like my brother, you know?" All I know is it was good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Methinks that the director wanted it to play it different perhaps? I love it though "It's cool," "Yeah, it's cool." Pretty funny. Haha. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. The Necklaces Did Have a Point: Just not what you thought it was. I have the scoop from Jason and Kristen and will tell you in Monday's chat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------CC's quote: Veronica better watch her back. She may be a tough cookie, but she's never really dealt with such wicked fierce competition. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC's quote definitely made me a little nauseated at the possibility of Kendall competing with V over Logan. However, CC is absolutely hysterical to watch and it sounds like her character is campy and vampy (what CC does best), and I think the V/L/D has enough material just on its own that I am hoping and praying that RT avoids the expected older woman seduction scenario. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I still don't know!" Kristen insists (or rather, fibs; see item one)."But I think Duncan is at the door, because if you create a Romeo-and-Juliet scenario, you have to satisfy your audience, and I think that Duncan would do that. They are star-crossed lovers, and I would be most satisfied, and I think the audience as well. Even the people that think they want Logan, I think that Duncan would satisfy them more. So, I hope it's Duncan!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downloaded from something-happens.com. The full chat is at www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kr. . .50729.html But be careful as there are Alias spoilers in there.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 29, 2005 7:39:57 GMT -5
Hee, hee. I love the idea that RT is messing with us. It is something I would do if I was in his position. Although - I am sorely tempted to write to UPN and tell them how much this scenario makes me want to "not watch" the show. I do trust RT but honestly I don't care how rosy they paint the scene the fact that Duncan slept w/ Veronica while he thought she was his sister and then and this is actually more the biggie to me - and then left her alone in the morning (so scummy) just makes the idea of having to endure VD unbearable. That is what has me so against a VD romance. Well that and the chemistry JD brings to every VL scene. But...Duncan was under the influence of the same drug that Veronica was...and was drugged by Logan. His behavior afterwards: hard to forgive. I think, though, I tend to cut him slack because of that. I hold Logan accountable for the first, and Duncan for the second. Just my thoughts on it. I do think both bring way too much baggage to the table to ever be a successful couple again (V/D, I mean). Hmmm, I find I can't blame Logan for Duncan's actions. I mean, I do think he has some responsibility in what happened and I do think the drugs played a part in why Duncan slept with her... but, uh, you couldn't drug me enough to get me to sleep with a sibling. Plus... it's not so much how we perceive it. It's just the knowledge that someone who thought he was your brother slept with you. I don't think I, even knowing he was drugged, could get over the squickiness factor of it. However, I guess that depends on how well they sell me on Veronica loving Duncan... because if I can believe the love is strong enough, I'll believe she'd want to go back to him regardless of their past.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 29, 2005 7:42:25 GMT -5
thanks m'dear You are so welcome... I think it's impossible to figure out what's going to happen. V/L may have decided to just get to know each other as friend's first...and then Veronica starts dating Duncan to get that out of her system. She could be seeing Duncan and cheating on him with Logan (and scones). It's hard to tell. But...if they are starting with V/D...they are getting it out of the way early to make room for some more hot Logan action... Yeah, I agree. This show is pretty good at twisting things or, rather, doing the "what you see is not what you see" kind of things. I'm sure if I had heard spoilers for scenes from last year, I would have been thrown way off track until I saw them actually play out (i.e. Logan and Veronica at the hotel asking about the honeymoon suite or the episode where V is imagining how each suspect may have killed Lilly).
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 29, 2005 7:52:13 GMT -5
Not quoting Pixi's post as it's long... Hmmm, he's married AND still lives with his folks? Ok, I have a little crush on JD but that's enough to kill the fantasy right there. (Not that I'm judging, it's just something I'd never be willing to do if I were married to him so probably means we'd have some personality conflicts. ) Did they really know from the second episode?! I don't know if I believe that. Who knew? Just the actors and actresses or everyone? It'd be hard to let everyone know and have it kept a secret, wouldn't it? And that would mean they were all telling white lies in all their interviews all season... which, if that is the case, then I'll have to take any future interviews with a grain of salt from now on... like, for instance, KB's comments about who is at the door, etc. I do want to know about the necklaces. Thank goodness I know people will post transcripts to the chat so I don't have to actually sit through it. I'm with you on the older woman thing but, then again, just because she may want him (HELLO!) it doesn't mean he wants her. It just may mean she's flirting a lot and that it's driving V crazy. (And, see, this is where I get in trouble with spoilers because I'm already inventing a plot where V and D ARE together but then V is constantly seeing the trophy wife throwing herself at Logan. So, V keeps getting jealous about it which leads to conflicty scenes with Logan because, even though he's not interested in trophy wife, he can't resist seeing jealous!Veronica so he flirts back just to piss her off... you know until they can't deny that they *do* still like each other....) Ok then, sorry about that... got a little lost in my own fantasy plots for next season. Oh - and I do actually have spoilers to share. Looks like the bridge scene is being filmed today. PCH-ers were asked to report to the bridge location with the clothes they were in the scene last year. Yay for filming!! Someone had a friend who might go "stalk" the area so, if I get any more info on this, I'll pass it along.
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Post by Pixi on Jul 29, 2005 8:48:20 GMT -5
Not quoting Pixi's post as it's long... Hmmm, he's married AND still lives with his folks? Ok, I have a little crush on JD but that's enough to kill the fantasy right there. (Not that I'm judging, it's just something I'd never be willing to do if I were married to him so probably means we'd have some personality conflicts. ) Did they really know from the second episode?! I don't know if I believe that. Who knew? Just the actors and actresses or everyone? It'd be hard to let everyone know and have it kept a secret, wouldn't it? And that would mean they were all telling white lies in all their interviews all season... which, if that is the case, then I'll have to take any future interviews with a grain of salt from now on... like, for instance, KB's comments about who is at the door, etc. I do want to know about the necklaces. Thank goodness I know people will post transcripts to the chat so I don't have to actually sit through it. I'm with you on the older woman thing but, then again, just because she may want him (HELLO!) it doesn't mean he wants her. It just may mean she's flirting a lot and that it's driving V crazy. (And, see, this is where I get in trouble with spoilers because I'm already inventing a plot where V and D ARE together but then V is constantly seeing the trophy wife throwing herself at Logan. So, V keeps getting jealous about it which leads to conflicty scenes with Logan because, even though he's not interested in trophy wife, he can't resist seeing jealous!Veronica so he flirts back just to piss her off... you know until they can't deny that they *do* still like each other....) Ok then, sorry about that... got a little lost in my own fantasy plots for next season. Oh - and I do actually have spoilers to share. Looks like the bridge scene is being filmed today. PCH-ers were asked to report to the bridge location with the clothes they were in the scene last year. Yay for filming!! Someone had a friend who might go "stalk" the area so, if I get any more info on this, I'll pass it along. You better share - post, IM me or something. Yeah - so they were all lying their little heads off last year. Well - I'll give them this, they did a nice acting job with it. I kind of like that - I'd want my actors to lie to all the ones trying to find out my big secrets too. Yeah- Living at home? I know his father is extremely rich so I'm guessing this huge mansion, maybe guest houses - I don't know. Rae - did you see the post that he is playing Timothy McVeigh in a movie? Well - my crush is still going strong since it's for Logan not JD anyway. I read some spec on TWOP that it really is a bus going off a cliff (the prostitute stuff probably thrown in to throw people off) and this is part of the mystery. It seems like if the mystery starts on the bridge it must involve Logan's Mom somehow, doesn't it? I'm dying to get more info now. Sorry about the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng post. It really was wasn't it? I was just cutting and pasting.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 29, 2005 11:13:33 GMT -5
Not quoting Pixi's post as it's long... Hmmm, he's married AND still lives with his folks? Ok, I have a little crush on JD but that's enough to kill the fantasy right there. (Not that I'm judging, it's just something I'd never be willing to do if I were married to him so probably means we'd have some personality conflicts. ) Did they really know from the second episode?! I don't know if I believe that. Who knew? Just the actors and actresses or everyone? It'd be hard to let everyone know and have it kept a secret, wouldn't it? And that would mean they were all telling white lies in all their interviews all season... which, if that is the case, then I'll have to take any future interviews with a grain of salt from now on... like, for instance, KB's comments about who is at the door, etc. I do want to know about the necklaces. Thank goodness I know people will post transcripts to the chat so I don't have to actually sit through it. I'm with you on the older woman thing but, then again, just because she may want him (HELLO!) it doesn't mean he wants her. It just may mean she's flirting a lot and that it's driving V crazy. (And, see, this is where I get in trouble with spoilers because I'm already inventing a plot where V and D ARE together but then V is constantly seeing the trophy wife throwing herself at Logan. So, V keeps getting jealous about it which leads to conflicty scenes with Logan because, even though he's not interested in trophy wife, he can't resist seeing jealous!Veronica so he flirts back just to piss her off... you know until they can't deny that they *do* still like each other....) Ok then, sorry about that... got a little lost in my own fantasy plots for next season. Oh - and I do actually have spoilers to share. Looks like the bridge scene is being filmed today. PCH-ers were asked to report to the bridge location with the clothes they were in the scene last year. Yay for filming!! Someone had a friend who might go "stalk" the area so, if I get any more info on this, I'll pass it along. You better share - post, IM me or something. Yeah - so they were all lying their little heads off last year. Well - I'll give them this, they did a nice acting job with it. I kind of like that - I'd want my actors to lie to all the ones trying to find out my big secrets too. Yeah- Living at home? I know his father is extremely rich so I'm guessing this huge mansion, maybe guest houses - I don't know. Rae - did you see the post that he is playing Timothy McVeigh in a movie? Well - my crush is still going strong since it's for Logan not JD anyway. I read some spec on TWOP that it really is a bus going off a cliff (the prostitute stuff probably thrown in to throw people off) and this is part of the mystery. It seems like if the mystery starts on the bridge it must involve Logan's Mom somehow, doesn't it? I'm dying to get more info now. Sorry about the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng post. It really was wasn't it? I was just cutting and pasting. Haha, that was really all of it. I can still IM you if you want but she just posted who were the stand-ins for today and where they were supposed to report. It said: 8:45PM - PCHers with your motorcyles and Drive with Black car (second location)Ahh wardrobe said bring the same wardrobe you wore on the Coronado Bridge back in April. The second location was LaJolla. There's also a scene filming at Java Hut (stage sets) I think... I think that's the scene between the daughter of the bus driver and the woman who was having an affair with him? Anyway - point is that you can figure out from there that some (or all) of the bridge scene flashbacks were being filmed today. Moving on... I did not see the post about the movie. I have been back and forth between two offices today so haven't been able to keep up with the board. Hmmm... will have to go look for it. Oh, it wasn't that long of a post. I just meant that your post quoted at the top of my post would make for a long post.
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Post by raenstorm on Jul 31, 2005 23:33:14 GMT -5
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Post by Pixi on Aug 1, 2005 7:40:42 GMT -5
Thanks Rae - I will add it to my daily rounds.
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