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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 19, 2003 7:33:56 GMT -5
No way did I think that Buffy was trying to taunt him by dressing up, looking her best, and then breaking up with him. I didn't think she was pulling *a Harmony*. As you say she was going about it gently but firmly. But for me I saw the care she'd taken with her appearance as a reflection of her new found or at least newly sought self respect rather than out of consideration for Spike. But you could well be right. Or, we may both be right. Yes, good thinking - I agree, I think it is both - an indication that Buffy has acquired more self-respect, and with it, the ability to give Spike more respect - since those things do go together. You can't respect others if you don't respect yourself, etc.
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Post by Kerrie on Sept 20, 2003 17:45:31 GMT -5
In Season 6, I think Buffy & Spike have a very intense, very real, emotional connection and physical attraction - and the possibilities in it are severely limited by his soullessness and her severely traumatized, depressed state. Do they love each other? My answer is yes, as much as they are able. No matter what she tells herself, Buffy can't get him off her mind, she longs for him, she trusts him with all her secrets, she protects him over and over and over, and more. Spike has pretty much the same MO for Buffy. The Season is full of parallels about the way Buffy & Spike feel about each other, what they give to each other - for all the surface talk about how uneven their relationship is, underneath it all, their feelings and their actions toward each other are very much the same - intense love, intense hate, confusion, anger, victimization, protectiveness, jealousy, a feeling of ownership . . . whew. It's no wonder the sex brings the house down. The big difference between Buffy & Spike in Season 6 is not in their feelings for each other, or in the way they treat each other, it's in their approaches to reality. As usual, the observant and straightforward Spike calls it like it is, while Buffy plays "denial" games with herself about what is real and what isn't real, segmenting herself. I just can't write the 5000 word essay it would take to describe it all. But note, for one thing, that Buffy & Spike express the exact same motivation for wanting the relationship: To feel alive again. That is very true, Spring. I still don't understood what Spike saw in Buffy. In season 7 he says he sees her goodness or whatever (I can't recall exactly what he says to her), but I recollect that it focused on things that Spike wouldn't have focused on season 6. In season 6 we know he likes Buffy because she makes him feel alive, he gets a kick out of shagging a slayer, he likes it when she smiles, he likes getting beat up, but we never actually find out what personality traits that attracts him, do we?. Presumeaby he admires her dual strength and vulnerability, but surely he would have seen more than that. I never really understood what he liked about her. I don't think he would have liked her "goodness" in season 6. (And of course bloody text books say nothing so I am left thinking that it is the incomprehensibility of 'love', which is great if you are a believer, but I am not. I want to know Spike's exact thoughts on the subject of what is so great about Buffy.)
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 21, 2003 11:41:53 GMT -5
That is very true, Spring. I still don't understood what Spike saw in Buffy. In season 7 he says he sees her goodness or whatever (I can't recall exactly what he says to her), but I recollect that it focused on things that Spike wouldn't have focused on season 6. In season 6 we know he likes Buffy because she makes him feel alive, he gets a kick out of shagging a slayer, he likes it when she smiles, he likes getting beat up, but we never actually find out what personality traits that attracts him, do we?. Presumeaby he admires her dual strength and vulnerability, but surely he would have seen more than that. I never really understood what he liked about her. I don't think he would have liked her "goodness" in season 6. (And of course bloody text books say nothing so I am left thinking that it is the incomprehensibility of 'love', which is great if you are a believer, but I am not. I want to know Spike's exact thoughts on the subject of what is so great about Buffy.) I think mostly, what attracts Spike to Buffy is the same thing as what attracts Buffy to Spike: they are a lot alike. They see themselves in each other. They don't always like what they see, but it's irresistible. They both "see" the other, and they both feel "seen" by the other - or at least, they have this strong impression they could get to a place like that. I don't get the feeling either party truly understands what the big attraction is; it takes forever for them to even figure out there is one.
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