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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 22, 2006 10:48:14 GMT -5
I think the connection is yet to come. Claire is gonna be instrumental in stopping New York from blowing up. If that's even the "save the world" scenario in question. Hell, it's not the world; it's just New York. But if Claire was killed by Sylar, she'd be unable to function in whatever capacity she's clearly gonna be needed down the road a bit. That's how I've been thinking of it too. Saving her from Sylar simply means she is still alive to do her part of whatever is needed to save the world. I'm enjoying everyone's different ideas about Hiro and why he wasn't able to save the waitress. We've got some good possibilties here, I'll be interested in seeing which of them is really what happened (or is happening ). So, do we think that Mohinder is going to start looking up all the special people now? And it that going to be safer because Sylar is nabbed? I bet there are some other dangerous special folks out there. I mean, Niki/Jessica alone is someone you wouldn't want to just stroll up to and start chatting about what power she has. Also - any ideas on what they'll do to Sylar?Doesn't everyone want to lock him in a room and do experiments on him? Just me, then. I'd like to know why the Initiative (for want of a better name) is studying people with powers, and why some of them are tagged and released. That worries me - if something goes wrong while they're studying Sylar, and he gets loose, it's going to be very bad indeed. Especially with the poor nuclear guy out there. If Sylar gets ahold of that power, he could take out New York very easily. And before someone smacks me over the head for stupidly stating the obvious - yes, I can guess what the secret government project is doing and why, I'd just like to have it confirmed officially. Actually, I'd like to know what went wrong to cause the death of Claire's birth parents, while they're at it, and how Claire's dad was involved. Anne, and while I'm wishing, an army of housecleaning elves would be nice right about now
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Post by Karen on Nov 22, 2006 11:28:10 GMT -5
Hee! I've used that acronym for him (here - did no one notice? ). It's pretty nifty. Those glasses - they are odd, aren't they? Almost like a disguise, in the way of being Clark Kentish - not really a disguise, but a way to change people's perception of him.About Simone. I read where the writers wrote her to be like the audience. Pretty much clueless at first, but gradually being drawn into the drama. I like how her character is being slowly revealed. Maybe we'll find out more about her in the 'how it all began' episode next week. Ooh! I like that observation! You might be onto something here. . .. Thanks! Yeah - on to something, but what? He seemed sinister from the start, and the glasses actually made him feel more that way, instead of the mild-mannered vibe we got from Clark. So, does that mean he isn't sinister? Most of us have come to the conclusion that at worst, he's a Gray Hat.
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Post by Shan on Nov 22, 2006 12:28:39 GMT -5
"Save the cheerleader, save the world." So, I'm not seeing at all the connection between saving Claire and stopping NYC from exploding. I'm glad Peter asked and got no answer. One thing saving Claire was a part of was Eden get her hands voice on Sylar. So, like, dominoes, ya know... I think the connection is yet to come. Claire is gonna be instrumental in stopping New York from blowing up. If that's even the "save the world" scenario in question. Hell, it's not the world; it's just New York.But if Claire was killed by Sylar, she'd be unable to function in whatever capacity she's clearly gonna be needed down the road a bit. Considering how New York has been blown up before, and THIS explosion was supposed to be a nuclear one, I can imagine it triggering enough other, retaliatory nuclear explosions to cause the world to really need to be saved.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 22, 2006 13:01:47 GMT -5
And I'm backing away from thinking Sylar steals others' powers, if for no reason than he hasn't displayed anything beyond telekinesis so far.
Everything he does can be explained in terms of really powerful telekinetic abilities, including the moving really fast and splitting open heads without actually touching them.
Hmm.
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Post by Sara on Nov 22, 2006 13:42:04 GMT -5
And I'm backing away from thinking Sylar steals others' powers, if for no reason than he hasn't displayed anything beyond telekinesis so far. Everything he does can be explained in terms of really powerful telekinetic abilities, including the moving really fast and splitting open heads without actually touching them. Hmm. Very true. The only thing I myself can't really account for as being telekinesis-related is the frozen man eating cereal, but there's nothing that says Sylar couldn't have turned the guy into a popsicle via other means.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 22, 2006 13:43:48 GMT -5
I think the connection is yet to come. Claire is gonna be instrumental in stopping New York from blowing up. If that's even the "save the world" scenario in question. Hell, it's not the world; it's just New York.But if Claire was killed by Sylar, she'd be unable to function in whatever capacity she's clearly gonna be needed down the road a bit. Considering how New York has been blown up before, and THIS explosion was supposed to be a nuclear one, I can imagine it triggering enough other, retaliatory nuclear explosions to cause the world to really need to be saved. Oh yes, the On the Beach/ Alas Babylon scenario. One of our cities gets nuked, the government assumes it was one of our enemies and immediately retaliates, they hit back, and it all goes to hell. Anne, "Declaration of War, the Short Form"
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 22, 2006 13:47:22 GMT -5
And I'm backing away from thinking Sylar steals others' powers, if for no reason than he hasn't displayed anything beyond telekinesis so far. Everything he does can be explained in terms of really powerful telekinetic abilities, including the moving really fast and splitting open heads without actually touching them. Hmm. Very true. The only thing I myself can't really account for as being telekinesis-related is the frozen man eating cereal, but there's nothing that says Sylar couldn't have turned the guy into a popsicle via other means. Or it might be that the freezing thing is the only active (by which I mean useful for attacking others) power he's stolen. Do we know what powers the other victims had? The waitress had super-memory, which is great if you're on Jeopardy, but not really that useful when it comes to world domination.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 22, 2006 14:19:58 GMT -5
And I'm backing away from thinking Sylar steals others' powers, if for no reason than he hasn't displayed anything beyond telekinesis so far. Everything he does can be explained in terms of really powerful telekinetic abilities, including the moving really fast and splitting open heads without actually touching them. Hmm. Very true. The only thing I myself can't really account for as being telekinesis-related is the frozen man eating cereal, but there's nothing that says Sylar couldn't have turned the guy into a popsicle via other means. Hell, I can even explain THAT via telekinesis. He'd have to be really good, though, to slow all the molecules down like that. The freezing scene is an anomaly, in what we've seen of Sylar. Every other brain we've seen him go after has been room temperature. Which leads me to think that the freezing was done by the "talent" in the house, not by Sylar. Not at all convinced he's a power-stealer. He might just be a really mad scientist.
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Post by Vlad on Nov 22, 2006 18:19:34 GMT -5
And I'm backing away from thinking Sylar steals others' powers, if for no reason than he hasn't displayed anything beyond telekinesis so far. Everything he does can be explained in terms of really powerful telekinetic abilities, including the moving really fast and splitting open heads without actually touching them. Hmm. Very true. The only thing I myself can't really account for as being telekinesis-related is the frozen man eating cereal, but there's nothing that says Sylar couldn't have turned the guy into a popsicle via other means. Or that someone else did. There's super powered people running amok all over the place! Maybe there was a fight between Sylar and some as yet unknown "hero". Or it could have been Hiro... traveling back in time, trying to stop the murder.... lord only knows! Vlad
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Post by Sue on Nov 22, 2006 22:24:44 GMT -5
In this week's Newsweek:
(And, I think the part in blue may be relevant to the possibilities in Heroes):
Nov. 27, 2006 issue - Neanderthals, the extinct cousins of Homo sapiens who once populated much of Europe and western Asia, were in the news again last week, as the audacious project to sequence DNA from a 38,000-year-old fossil bone showed its first results. One team, headed by Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute in Germany, reported in the journal Nature that it had succeeded in sequencing the first million units of Neanderthal DNA, out of a total of about 3 billion. A parallel effort, led by Edward Rubin of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and published in Science, had found about 65,000 units, using a technology that targets DNA of particular interest. Eventually the project could help answer questions such as whether Neanderthals could speak, but the papers last week mostly confirmed what anthropologists already suspected: that the human and Neanderthal lines of descent began to separate about 700,000 years ago and diverged permanently about 330,000 years later. Rubin found no evidence that Neanderthals, who inhabited the same parts of the world as humans for thousands of years, ever bred with them.
Meanwhile, a team led by Bruce Lahn of the University of Chicago has been investigating a human gene called microcephalin. A statistical analysis of mutations in this gene indicates that its most common form (or allele) evolved as long as 1.1 million years ago, was carried for most of that time by a different hominid species and then was reintroduced into the human population—conceivably even by a single mating—some 37,000 years ago. That's about the time that modern humans, coming from Africa, were replacing Neanderthals in Europe. Whatever that allele does, it must have conveyed a very strong evolutionary advantage, because from that single event of what geneticists politely call "introgression" it spread to 70 percent of the human population today.
And what might that advantage have been? We don't know yet. The gene is known to control brain growth, and Lahn says the crucial factor could have been anything from changing head size to make childbirth less risky, to improving energy efficiency in the brain. But one obvious possibility is that, perhaps in combination with genes that humans already possessed, it made them smarter. "I don't buy the stereotype that Neanderthals were dumb," says Henry Harpending, a leading researcher on the genetics of intelligence. "Modern humans came into Europe and encountered Neanderthals and within a few thousand years were making glorious cave paintings, figurines and art. About the same time they show up in Australia [where there were no Neanderthals], and there's not a trace of that." Lahn has no direct evidence that it was Neanderthals who carried the crucial gene, and Paabo and Rubin haven't found it yet in their fossil DNA. So it's still "far out," Harpending admits, but civilization could have gotten its start in an act of "introgression" with another species.
—Jerry Adler
So, maybe something similar has happened to produce superhero mutations.
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 23, 2006 12:29:46 GMT -5
Random thoughts and comments since I’m late to the thread…
*I wonder if there’s a way for Peter to permanently retain someone’s powers?
*The way they've kept Sylar shadowed, I get this ridiculous(?) idea that he is someone we already know........
Sara said:
I agree…during the “origin” stories, it’s going to be natural that the fans are much more interested in the heroes…. Personally, I’ve seen far more criticism of Mohindar's character than Simone’s. A majority of fans and critics seem to dislike his character and storyline a great deal…
*One speculation about Niki/Jessica is that Jessica is an actual separate person/spirit….a dead twin? And therefore she can be “eliminated” or exorcised or something. But I’m thinking that part of the plotting may be that Niki “finds it necessary” to keep Jessica around and tries to control her. So far, we haven’t see a lot of focus on the issue of the “price of power” except in the danger it brings.The Nikki/Jessica method of dealing with their identity may be a place for that..
*I’m one who hopes the comics are NOT canon….unless the writers very carefully ensure that the TV show plotting does not ever depend on comic book background or understanding. I just don’t have time to keep up with that. I can barely keep up with the handful of shows I watch with online threads. If it turns out that the comics become an essential or even “somewhat” important facet of enjoying the show, then I’ll have to bow out as a viewer…
Sue said:
I’ve seen a lot of complaints about how the NBC promo all week was misleading concerning WHY saving the cheerleader helped to save the world. I agree that Heroes seems less deliberately obscure than Lost, but the NBC promo department better avoid ruining plot points and better avoid making false claims about the episodes because this is a bona fide hit with a large viewing audience who are NOT all online analyzing the episodes the way we do here. IRL I know several Heroes fans who were seriously annoyed with this episode because they were teased to expect some resolution concerning the connection between Claire and saving the world. So when Peter asked her she merely answered, “I dunno, I’m only a cheerleader…” I’m betting there were numerous fans who groaned and ended their viewing experience that night rather frustrated and even pissed off.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 23, 2006 18:50:00 GMT -5
Random thoughts and comments since I’m late to the thread… *I wonder if there’s a way for Peter to permanently retain someone’s powers? *The way they've kept Sylar shadowed, I get this ridiculous(?) idea that he is someone we already know........ Sara said: I agree…during the “origin” stories, it’s going to be natural that the fans are much more interested in the heroes…. Personally, I’ve seen far more criticism of Mohindar's character than Simone’s. A majority of fans and critics seem to dislike his character and storyline a great deal… *One speculation about Niki/Jessica is that Jessica is an actual separate person/spirit….a dead twin? And therefore she can be “eliminated” or exorcised or something. But I’m thinking that part of the plotting may be that Niki “finds it necessary” to keep Jessica around and tries to control her. So far, we haven’t see a lot of focus on the issue of the “price of power” except in the danger it brings.The Nikki/Jessica method of dealing with their identity may be a place for that.. *I’m one who hopes the comics are NOT canon….unless the writers very carefully ensure that the TV show plotting does not ever depend on comic book background or understanding. I just don’t have time to keep up with that. I can barely keep up with the handful of shows I watch with online threads. If it turns out that the comics become an essential or even “somewhat” important facet of enjoying the show, then I’ll have to bow out as a viewer… Sue said: I’ve seen a lot of complaints about how the NBC promo all week was misleading concerning WHY saving the cheerleader helped to save the world. I agree that Heroes seems less deliberately obscure than Lost, but the NBC promo department better avoid ruining plot points and better avoid making false claims about the episodes because this is a bona fide hit with a large viewing audience who are NOT all online analyzing the episodes the way we do here. IRL I know several Heroes fans who were seriously annoyed with this episode because they were teased to expect some resolution concerning the connection between Claire and saving the world. So when Peter asked her she merely answered, “I dunno, I’m only a cheerleader…” I’m betting there were numerous fans who groaned and ended their viewing experience that night rather frustrated and even pissed off. So far, the comics (which are quite short) fill in little background stories. While they're interesting, they aren't essential to understanding the big story arc. I think there's more to " defy the chicken save the cheerleader, save the world" than we saw this week. I hope so; but I got the feeling that it wasn't that simple, so I wasn't disappointed. Frustrated by the "to be continued", yes, but not disappointed. Also, I find Mohinder very interesting. He's right in the middle of things because of his father, he has a quest, he's acquired a spirit guide - he doesn't need superpowers. Besides, he's got that voice, and the eyes, and the hair, and... Anne, sorry, derailed my train of thought
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Post by Shan on Nov 23, 2006 19:23:49 GMT -5
Hee! Yeah, Anne...I find Mohinder's godlike physical presence story quite interesting and was surprised to hear that other forums exhibit disinterest, nevermind antipathy toward him. *bites intellectually snobby tongue* So I finally watched the 1st half that I missed. Now I'm back to being interested in the Niki/Jessica story, since Micah was able to explain some of it to D.L. And I'm also not so miffed at Ando. Sometimes it IS the job of the sidekick to wait for the superhero to return. I still wish Ando could see that as something that's valuable in itself. I paused/ran/paused/ran the vid during the scene where Eden nabs Sylar so I could try to get a glimpse of his face when he fell "asleep" at her behest. I didn't see much, but he didn't look particularly like anybody we've met so far. He's just a plain-looking adult Caucasian male with dark hair and a slightish build, like Peter or Nathan. But I don't think it's either of them. Especially since the scene with the FBI where they found a picture of the one they called "Sylar" I'm very much looking forward to "6 Months Earlier" next week.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 24, 2006 23:01:33 GMT -5
Hee! Yeah, Anne...I find Mohinder's godlike physical presence story quite interesting and was surprised to hear that other forums exhibit disinterest, nevermind antipathy toward him. *bites intellectually snobby tongue* So I finally watched the 1st half that I missed. Now I'm back to being interested in the Niki/Jessica story, since Micah was able to explain some of it to D.L. And I'm also not so miffed at Ando. Sometimes it IS the job of the sidekick to wait for the superhero to return. I still wish Ando could see that as something that's valuable in itself. I paused/ran/paused/ran the vid during the scene where Eden nabs Sylar so I could try to get a glimpse of his face when he fell "asleep" at her behest. I didn't see much, but he didn't look particularly like anybody we've met so far. He's just a plain-looking adult Caucasian male with dark hair and a slightish build, like Peter or Nathan. But I don't think it's either of them. Especially since the scene with the FBI where they found a picture of the one they called "Sylar" I'm very much looking forward to "6 Months Earlier" next week. Let them be disinterested; that's just mo' Moh for the rest of us. ;D Anne, although I'm more fond of Hiro, myself, I do appreciate the Mohinder-pretty
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Post by Sara on Nov 24, 2006 23:20:38 GMT -5
Hee! Yeah, Anne...I find Mohinder's godlike physical presence story quite interesting and was surprised to hear that other forums exhibit disinterest, nevermind antipathy toward him. *bites intellectually snobby tongue* So I finally watched the 1st half that I missed. Now I'm back to being interested in the Niki/Jessica story, since Micah was able to explain some of it to D.L. And I'm also not so miffed at Ando. Sometimes it IS the job of the sidekick to wait for the superhero to return. I still wish Ando could see that as something that's valuable in itself. I paused/ran/paused/ran the vid during the scene where Eden nabs Sylar so I could try to get a glimpse of his face when he fell "asleep" at her behest. I didn't see much, but he didn't look particularly like anybody we've met so far. He's just a plain-looking adult Caucasian male with dark hair and a slightish build, like Peter or Nathan. But I don't think it's either of them. Especially since the scene with the FBI where they found a picture of the one they called "Sylar" I'm very much looking forward to "6 Months Earlier" next week. Well, since the actor's name does appear in the episode's opening credits I feel I can satisfy your curiosity about Sylar without it constituting a spoiler. However, for those who want to wait until Monday to see what he looks like, I'll put the answer behind this link: Sylar
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