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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 13, 2003 7:52:44 GMT -5
This one's for Betsy L:
"My bags are packed, I am ready for my flight Going to put an end to my daydream days and sleepless nights... ...I'll be waiting...In Nevada..."
Be good, and if you can't be good, be clever. Have lots of fun!
"' Cause I'm leavin' On a Jet Plane Don't know when I'll be back again..."
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Post by John G on Jun 13, 2003 7:52:49 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone ever used this page, but for those who know of it, does anyone know what happened to it? I can't access it anymore.
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Post by deborah on Jun 13, 2003 7:57:59 GMT -5
Deb- Go to the redisigned Dancing Lessons site and look at the first icon under the Live Journal Icons. I think you'll like it. Enjoy! Mary LOL. I'd hastily checked out their revamped (arrgh-arrgh) site the other day when I got an Email from Cousinjean but I hadn't seen those LJ Icons before. I encourage everyone to take a look. I tried setting one as wallpaper but all that came out was the word "Buffy" all over my screen. Then I tried saving them to my hard drive in the same file as all my other pictures but when I went and checked that file just now I didn't see them. They're "blinkers" too and I'm not sure if you have to do anything special to save them so they still blink in their new home. I am a functioning illiterate when it comes to computers. Here's the link folks: randomthought.addr.com/redemptionista/icons.htmlThanks a lot Mary.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 13, 2003 7:58:54 GMT -5
Kerrie, as my particular rant has to do with my problem in finding the "soul mate" scenario the least bit credible (though other S'cubies have argued otherwise persuasively, both theoretically and from their direct experience) I guess you and I have to hold up the pragmatic front here. I pretty much agree with you about the destructiveness of passion. However, I'm afraid Spike wouldn't agree with either of us. He's a Flaming Romantic, bless his unbeating little heart, and his views on the absolute necessity of passion and its primacy over love, much less friendship, are made amply clear.
One can, perhaps, set those views aside from a series philosophy point of view by saying they are the views of an undead soulless monster and therefore have no validity. But he holds them with such PASSION, and they're borne out in relationship after relationship (beginning with Buffy/Angel) that I'm afraid that if ME meant to undercut them rather than support them, they haven't done too good a job of it. Spike speaks emotional Truth as he knows it, and we certainly can't discount it, because he believes it utterly and lives by it. So I think us more rational types have to sit at his feet and try to learn what he knows and try to understand why this particular flavor of irrationality is so high on his personal agenda. [/color][/quote] I don't disagree with your assessment, Kerri, and I'm not a believer in the "only one true soulmate" thing. Basically, I was commenting on what Riley wanted (someone with a passion for him that matched his passion for her) - which Buffy wasn't giving him. You have to decide for yourself what you want, then you have to go after it. If sparkage is important to you, then you should go for it. If it's not that important to you, then go for whatever is important to you. No one should be telling you that you are wrong not to give passion/sparkage more importance . . . no one should be telling someone else that they are wrong because sparkage is #1 to them. The important thing is knowing yourself, and not blinding yourself. You can blind yourself either way. You can be someone who is telling yourself you are happy and satisfied when you aren't - not really - no matter which philosophy you ascribe to.
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Post by Mary on Jun 13, 2003 8:00:00 GMT -5
Sorry - editing error - it should read "insightful commenst" not "Loriinsightful." Lori I just thought you were 'pimping' yourself - something none of us would ever, ever do! *snort* Mary
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 13, 2003 8:04:06 GMT -5
Okay, I'm a little cooky, but when I pick up a new Buffy DVD set, I try to watch them straight through, and get my mindstate into a "this is the first time I'm seeing this" mental state. I try to watch as if I don't know what's going to happen. Anyway, I'm going through Season 4 (which, in retrospect, isn't as bad as I initially thought), and I watched the Initiative last night. Watching it as if I didn't know anything, it was fantastic. Action, surprise, suspense. I thought a well written episode. And it gave me this huge interest in the Initiative. And thinking forward, when Buffy & Riley met up in Hush, and discovered each other's secrets, again, I was very excited with the Initiative. So, what went wrong? I know most people thought the Initiative grew old and boring. When did it fail. Where did it lose people (if it did)? Was it the introduction of Adam, or had it gotten annoying before that? I'd like to hear people's opinions. I liked The Iniatiative, and Walsh, and Adam. I'm not sure I buy the idea that "most people" thought it grew old and boring. Negative people are always most vocal. It's like that Season 6 thing - people will always post stuff about how "most people" didn't like it, or "everyone knows" Season 2 was best, or something like that. But then when you are visiting sites that do ranking, or there is a poll, or FX asks people to vote on favorite episodes, it doesn't turn out like that at all.
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Post by deborah on Jun 13, 2003 8:11:18 GMT -5
Trying to catch up on all the posts that have posted while I was at work. Ya’ll are nearly as bad as I am lately, and I don’t have any doubt that the new board is a rousing success. Okay, I feel the need to ask – I know what Spuffy is. I know what Bangel is (I think I originated that one at some point). Biley works for me as well. But someone used the term Spangel – what on Earth is that? Are we back to Nan’s insistence that vampires are bisexual, and shipping Angel and Spike now? I’m really not seeing them as a couple. And then someone mentioned Spander – the pairing of Spike and Xander – and I had to barf. Oh, God. That was me being an idiot. Sorry, my brain was obviously failing to connect the dots. Forget it. It was a mistake. Don't let's talk about it anymore. Color me RED.
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 13, 2003 8:13:40 GMT -5
I join the chorus of praise for Sarah's masterful (Marstersful?) essay on the significance and evolution of Spike's duster. This is swell stuff! Sarah, I hope you will chime in our discussions (and of course the silliness, puns, execrable jokes, et al.) here on the board.
If anyone hasn't read it, your day will have been incomplete and much the poorer if you don't immediately do so. It's in the essays section of the S3 website.[/color]
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 13, 2003 8:14:13 GMT -5
Thank you for responding James. I'm glad that others like Angel; sometimes it feels so Spikecentric here. I missed most of the last season of Buffy since I was teaching a course and couldn't tape it for a variety of reasons so I am unable to discuss it and feel lost. I enjoy reading the posts although the huge number of them is overwhelming at times. I have printed out every essay and story and plan to read all of them as soon as school is over. But from what I've read so far, you are all thoughtful and talented. I can't wait for the new season of Angel to start for many reasons, but one of the them is because I know reading all of the Loriinsightful comments will make the episodes even better. They did over on Scoopme! Lori Yes, The Soulful Spike Society is unapologetically Spikecentric, but most of us appreciate the other characters as well. The focus on Spike-stuff isn't likely to change, since that's the reason things got started, but if you have another topic you're interested in discussing, throw it out there and see if anyone bites! Often (no guarantees on always - we've all brought up stuff, Spike-related or not, that just didn't go anywhere) someone will have a thought to offer, and sometimes a real back and forth discussion will result - e.g., the recent Riley discussion, the times Rob has succeeded in getting some real "Xander" dialogue going, etc. None of the characters in the Jossverse are without their fascinating aspects.
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Post by LeeHollins on Jun 13, 2003 8:15:11 GMT -5
Uh, can I be a Sarah S. groupie? Seriously, can I? Sarah, your essay was wonderful! I just got finished reading it and (typical of me) all I can is I wanted to quote some of my favorite parts but that would have been the entire essay! This is one of the most interesting essays I have read on Spike ever. No joke. Amazing essay, Sarah! Great job!
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Post by Mary on Jun 13, 2003 8:15:52 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your assessment, Kerri, and I'm not a believer in the "only one true soulmate" thing. Basically, I was commenting on what Riley wanted (someone with a passion for him that matched his passion for her) - which Buffy wasn't giving him. You have to decide for yourself what you want, then you have to go after it. If sparkage is important to you, then you should go for it. If it's not that important to you, then go for whatever is important to you. No one should be telling you that you are wrong not to give passion/sparkage more importance . . . no one should be telling someone else that they are wrong because sparkage is #1 to them. The important thing is knowing yourself, and not blinding yourself. You can blind yourself either way. You can be someone who is telling yourself you are happy and satisfied when you aren't - not really - no matter which philosophy you ascribe to. I agree with your comments, Spring. This is an individual thing. I was married for a very long time. Dave & I had very definite sparkage, and it lasted throughout the marriage (luckily for us), but over the course of time, the intensity of the sparkage also underwent ups and downs. I assumed this was relatively normal, but, of course, can only speak from my own experience. Since his death, I've had one date. The guy was nice, and nice looking, and we certainly seemed to share a lot of tastes. We even had the same kind of dog. But there was absolutely no sparkage, at least on my part. I couldn't imagine ever kissing him, much less more than that. I like my life. I'm busy and happy (almost always) and never, ever bored. To make major changes in my life to accomodate a significant other, to make time for one, I think I would have to feel sparkage. Maybe that's because at this stage in my life - where I'm settled and happy, and have wonderful children - the sparkage, the passion, would be the one big thing that's absent from my life, and thus, the thing I might be seeking. The need that might need to be filled. And not only do I think it's an individual thing, I think its importance many also vary at different stages of your life. Because, right now, at any rate, I'm NOT seeking. Of course, sometimes I just want to have wild monkey sex, but I digress... Mary
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Post by Mary on Jun 13, 2003 8:20:00 GMT -5
Oh, God. That was me being an idiot. Sorry, my brain was obviously failing to connect the dots. Forget it. It was a mistake. Don't let's talk about it anymore. Color me RED. Actually, that IS what the Spike/Angel shippers call them: Spangel. And, Dave, there are a LOT of them, and I'm guessing there will be an explosion of Spike/Angel fic once Spike joins up with him this fall. Personally, I'm waiting for the Clem/Principal Snyder (Clyder) ship to sail, 'cause, wow, I am all over THAT one! I mean, really, why do you think Clem looks so sad? If your soulmate had been eaten by a giant snake... Mary
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Post by deborah on Jun 13, 2003 8:22:03 GMT -5
<snip> Alas, my friend protests o'ermuch 'bout Spangels, Spanders and all such What can I say that is enough Spike says it better, "Bugger off!" Diane (Bloody Awful) Poet-in-Residence Oh, that's just great. Now Diane has to go immortalize my idiotic blunders in her bloody awful(ly fantastic) poetry. Not helping, Diane.
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Post by LeeHollins on Jun 13, 2003 8:22:23 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the Clem/Principal Snyder (Clyder) ship to sail, 'cause, wow, I wanna be on THAT one! Mary Mary, you NEVER fail to make me laugh! You are hysterical!!! ;D
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Post by Becky H on Jun 13, 2003 8:26:47 GMT -5
Uh, can I be a Sarah S. groupie? Seriously, can I? Sarah, your essay was wonderful! I just got finished reading it and (typical of me) all I can is I wanted to quote some of my favorite parts but that would have been the entire essay! This is one of the most interesting essays I have read on Spike ever. No joke. Amazing essay, Sarah! Great job! I'm joining the club. The whole essay was excellent but I especially liked the analysis of "Fool for Love." I've always been uncomfortable with the taunting aspect of wearing the duster (especially in light of the discussions re: LMPTM) but this was a new perspective which allowed me to see it as a sign of respect for a worthy opponent. Very perceptive!
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